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My coffee maker just makes coffee

• getToTheChopin 4y ago
  I've been using my $30 aeropress for years, and heartily agree.
  • Empact 4y ago
    Likewise, the french press and moka pot are extremely simple, easy to use and require no electricity to operate.
    • dkdbejwi383 4y ago
      Except to boil the kettle!
      • yamtaddle 4y ago
        ... unless you have a normal stovetop kettle, and a gas cooktop. Technically no electricity required then, though it does consume fuel.
        • cf100clunk 4y ago
          That's a good justification for buyers of outdoor grilles to purchase one with a side burner that has enough output to bring a kettle or pot of water to a boil. No electricity needed.
          • Scoundreller 4y ago
            I have a $20 “camp stove” and cheap butane cylinders that are in aerosol cans. If things get real bad, the Wood stick camp stove that’s just folding metal plates. Propane burners are just an annoying in between, but our outages are rarely long.
        • dkdbejwi383 4y ago
          A stovetop kettle would not be considered normal in the UK in the 21st century
        • KptMarchewa 4y ago
          Stovetop kettle would be considered normal maybe in a nursing home.
      • timeon 4y ago
        Not in case of moka pot.
    • jmkr 4y ago
      I haven't owned a drip machine in over a decade. Moka pots are probably my favorite quick coffee, and french press is easy. Both are easier to clean. However last year I got a Gaggia espresso machine, and espresso is a whole other world of complexity. My Gaggia only has the pressure mod, but I did plan to add a PID to it. It's still simple, turn on and let it get hot, then I usually do long pulls for like 40-50 seconds on a double shot portafilter. But there are other espresso machines with more electronics that feel desirable. Of course I chose getting a Gaggia by going to Github and seeing which espresso machines are developer friendly. :) https://github.com/Zer0-bit/gaggiuino https://github.com/Zer0-bit/gaggiuino However I just make coffee for myself. Maybe a Keurig is easier if you have guests. It seems most of the people I know who have it, have it for that reason.
      • roflyear 4y ago
        Fun project! And espresso is fun too. I have a la pavoni, but was interested in the Gagguinio after my bad experience with the Decent (can't really hack on it at all).
      • cjrp 4y ago
        The beauty of machines like the Gaggia (I have a Classic) is their simplicity. I can get spare parts to replace everything in the machine, and work on it myself (I'm not mechanically-minded, but it's very straight forward). The biggest repair I've had to make is to replace a thermostat and themal-fuse, and it cost me about £10 in parts and 30 mins of work.
    • cf100clunk 4y ago
      I use a Stanley full-metal-jacket french press on camping trips and for just-in-case situations like power failures. Unlike most moka pots that can eventually have seal failures, only the wire mesh of a french press plunger ever needs tweaking back into shape.
  • roflyear 4y ago
    The aeropress is a great way to make coffee, my only issue with it is it doesn't make quite enough! My hario switch (large) gives me just about 2 cups of coffee so I can share a brew with someone.
    • ar_lan 4y ago
      It functions similarly (and was inspired by) as espresso, in my experience - so typically you'd add water to fill it as a full cup (e.g. an Americano). Still, with two people, you'd brew it twice. Edit: designed as an espresso alternative -> functions similarly to espresso
      • nicolaslem 4y ago
        The aeropress was really not designed as an espresso alternative. In interviews, the inventor said he was designing a better way to do drip coffee for a single cup. He recommends pressing as slowly as possible to not create pressure.
        • ar_lan 4y ago
          Perhaps semantically I am wrong, and can admit that, but your comment acts a bit as if it's so ridiculous to think of (and make) Aeropress coffee that way. I gladly make Americano's and lattes with it regularly. > he was designing a better way to do drip coffee for a single cup Can you point to this interview? In https://archive.nytimes.com/tmagazine.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/28/ristretto-aeropress/ https://archive.nytimes.com/tmagazine.blogs.nytimes.com/2010..., it mentions he actually started with an espresso machine before trying drip and French press. So, it'd be more accurate to say he was designing a better way to all 3 of those - not just drip, as you claim. Some other references to espresso -- https://www.aeropress.co.uk/blogs/news/evolution-aeropress-history https://www.aeropress.co.uk/blogs/news/evolution-aeropress-h... > AeroPress is inspired by technology found in espresso machines https://aeropress.com/pages/how-it-works https://aeropress.com/pages/how-it-works In this page, each recommended option is an offshoot from espresso-based drinks. https://aeropress.com/pages/faq https://aeropress.com/pages/faq > Many people say that espresso must be made with 9 bars of pressure. If you use this definition then no, AeroPress coffee makers do not make espresso. But if you define espresso by the taste of the drink in the cup, certainly many people think AeroPress coffee makers can brew espresso. Since coffee brewed by AeroPress coffee makers can be made into lattes, cappuccinos, and other espresso based drinks, we feel it is important to use the term "espresso" when describing what AeroPress coffee makers brew so potential customers will understand how coffee brewed by AeroPress coffee makers can be enjoyed. -- tldr; I've amended my previous comment but to act as if espresso is not a clear design/inspiration choice is wrong.
  • indymike 4y ago
    Aeropress coffee is fantastic and the machine lasts a very long time. Highly recommended!
  • incanus77 4y ago
    Same here. Plus, it travels effortlessly if I’m going to be someplace with terrible coffee. You can almost always get an electric tea kettle or hot water at any hotel.
• rsynnott 4y ago
  > What an interesting idea to combine both a standard 12-cup percolator with the "pod-based" single serve option. Oh, no, it's the coffee equivalent of the combo DVD-VCR.
  • grishka 4y ago
    I have a vague memory of some of the high-end ones being capable of recording DVDs and so you could use them to digitize your tapes. So those were not cobmo just for the sake of it.
    • OJFord 4y ago
      There were also briefly D-VHSs and VCRs, so actually you don't even technically need DVDs to digitise your tapes... ...though if your D-VCR broke you would probably have had a harder time saving the D-VHS material than if it was still on VHS!
    • mrguyorama 4y ago
      Some of them also allowed you to record live television, and some of THOSE supported DVD-RAM for essentially cheap DVR functionality.
  • themadturk 4y ago
    Which was a very handy device during the transitional period from VCR to DVD.
• strict9 4y ago
  >The only advice I can give to designers is this: try not to add to the problem. I agree with this a lot. But one difficulty in adhering to this lies in our ability to process the additional cost beyond initial implementation. It seems easy, even to engineers and builders, to add something small. But as the author points out increased complexity leads to fragility. It may be easier to convince product managers and designers of product minimalism when approaching from UX angle: keeping features as bare bones as possible makes it easier for people to figure out how to use the thing.
  • synlatexc 4y ago
    Reminded of this from an NYT article [1] about Tumblr: The features Tumblr eliminates are as important to the way it feels as those it adopts. Bijan Sabet of Spark Capital, an early Tumblr investor who sits on its board, says that it is “normal behavior” for a founder to be excited about adding new bells and whistles, but Karp seems excited about doing the opposite: “He’ll tell us, ‘Hey, got a new version coming up — and I took four features out!’" [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/15/magazine/can-tumblrs-david-karp-embrace-ads-without-selling-out.html?pagewanted=all https://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/15/magazine/can-tumblrs-davi...
• remremz 4y ago
  I use a Moccamaster cup one. It is pretty consistent drip, design is simple, sturdy, easy to clean and has a 5 year warranty. Granted it does come at a more premium price.
  • Thlom 4y ago
    The regular Moccamaster is nearly indestructible. Just remember to run through a clean cycle once in a while.
  • kubectl_h 4y ago
    Came here to say Moccamaster, but I have the full one. Have done most every manual prep (Chemex, French Press, Aeropress, pour-over, etc) over the years but switched to the Moccamaster a few years ago and never looked back. Someone hit the motherload of coffee prep gear at my local Goodwill a couple of years into my Moccamaster purchase. I have the ten cup and put 67g of ground coffee into it every morning. Once fully brewed I reserve half of it into a Stanley thermos to have over the course of the day and then have my morning coffee. Always excellent and above all, consistent.
• cf100clunk 4y ago
  My sister bought a Bunn VP17-1 with the additional 20216.0000 stainless steel funnel basket after she had ditched her Keurig and older coffee machines. I am not a fan of terms like "military grade" but I think her machine fits that sort of concept, and it is easy to keep in an almost sterile state between uses. My only tweak would be immediately pouring the output of her machine into my Pykel stainless steel carafe. Bear in mind that the Bunn machine is ridiculously expensive for most consumers.
• roflyear 4y ago
  The most simple, and best (from quality and value) is something like a v60 or hario switch (my preference) + kettle. You can very easily get under <$50, it will last you a lifetime (longer than a drip coffee maker, I'd bet), and the quality of coffee is way better than a drip machine (and depending on your kettle, you don't need electricity). Not quite as convenient, but great high-end kit for a low cost. Then later, if you want to upgrade, buy a good hand grinder ($100-$150).
  • barbazoo 4y ago
    You're right. However as life gets busier, especially in the morning I found that I just don't have the time for the "procedure". I love the "procedure" but it's synchronous so it had to go. Also I was having a very hard time getting the size 03 filters in white.
    • funks_ 4y ago
      This is exactly why I would recommend a Hario Switch over a V60 or Aeropress. It makes my mornings much less complicated. However, you will still have to look for filters.
    • incanus77 4y ago
      Some years back I bought a stainless steel filter from Able Brewing. It’s great. I no longer have to buy consumables or throw anything away but wet coffee grounds — which are great for the garden anyway.
    • roflyear 4y ago
      Can't get much more simple than the hario switch: - Heat up water - If you are anal, rinse your paper filter (very optional, do you do this for drip? no :)) - Fill hario with water (yes, water first) - Dump in coffee - Stir, if you want, or don't - Wait whatever. I don't time it. Can't really go too long if your grind is course enough. Go do whatever you do when your drip is brewing. - Hit Button to dump coffee into cup That's it. Basically the same as a drip machine honestly, and you'll get better results :)
• sonofhans 4y ago
  > People tend to place all of that blame on top-level management or developers within a company. They do deserve the blame - but not all of it. Designers cause a lot of these issues all on their own and it's easy to understand why. Not to get defensive — I am a designer — but there are two things missing from the conversation when you lay blame at the feet of designers. First, you bought that over-complicated appliance for the same reason everyone else does: it has more features, and you like features. Everyone wants features. If you want to sell an appliance today, you have to cram in more features, and do it more cheaply than the competition. If you want companies to produce simpler, higher-quality products, then search out and buy those products. Vote with your feet, and your wallet. Companies build what sells. Second, that designer likely has as much real agency as the engineers building the firmware for the control board. Corporate mandated 12 months ago, “A coffee maker with features A, B, and C and price point P and trim level T.” The designer likely has no place to argue with any of that. A product marketing executive made these decisions, and for one reason — to build what sells. The author is totally right that companies often ship software that’s too complex, or solves too many problems and does so poorly. This is mostly because the design/engineering team (a) takes directions from Corporate rather than from users, (b) Corporate wants more features so the product stacks up vs. the competition.
  • jrochkind1 4y ago
    Makes sense. I think the OP is not unsympathetic, although not as familiar with what it's like to be a designer. > The only advice I can give to designers is this: try not to add to the problem. I'm not asking you to move mountains, but maybe consider working somewhere else if your career exists solely to add more bloat to the world. (Easier said than done, I know). Or keep doing what you're doing. What do I know - I'm just some guy who rambles on the web. Designers in graphic and physical design, with regard to over-complexity and physical waste, which the OP was talking about with the coffee maker -- have been talking about this, and about what the designer's ethical responsibility is in an environment where the business constraints/pressures may be to create things that don't make things better for people... for 50 years now. https://eyeondesign.aiga.org/why-ken-garlands-first-things-first-manifesto-keeps-getting-updated/ https://eyeondesign.aiga.org/why-ken-garlands-first-things-f...
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• barbazoo 4y ago
  > Instead, I snagged the cheapest and most basic coffee maker I could find. It cost me $12. It has no clock, no programming options, no base settings or cleaning functions. Hell, there aren't even level numbers on the water reservoir tank. You simply add your scoops of coffee grounds along with desired amount of water. Then you switch on the (only) button at the side of the machine. After a handful of minutes, you have coffee. Until recently that's what I had too and I connected it to a Sonoff S31 (Tasmota) connected to Home Assistant which let me turn on the coffee maker with an automation and also measure when it's done brewing. One of the temp fuses blew recently and I haven't been able to get the parts I need to fix it. None of the thrift stores in the area have had a simple model like that for a while now. They're all "smart" with their timers and "brew strengths" and whatnot, very frustrating.
  • relwin 4y ago
    Try NTE Electronics for thermal fuses -- used to get these at Fry's (in the US) for $2. Today's inexpensive coffee makers usually use specialty plastic screws making disassembly difficult.
• lsaferite 4y ago
  As a preface, I'm a massive tech lover and have tons of complicated devices in my house. We have 3 ways to make coffee in our house. The first is a ~$7 5-cup coffee maker with no bells or whistles (like in the article) that I've used for 5+ years now. I'm fairly certain I've gotten my money's worth in that deal. I recently added a Zigbee on/off switch so I stop forgetting to turn it off. Second is a dead-simple ~$25 Kurig machine that you pour water in, pop in a pod, and punch the only button on the device to activate. It pumps out hot water and turns off. We've also had this for years with no issues. The third is a recent addition. It's a double walled glass vessel with a basket on top that holds grounds and you pour in boiling water. No electronics at all. I couple it with a simple electric kettle that's equally dead-simple (one button), but could be replaced with water boiled on the stove or a fire if need be. I fully expect these devices to last for many more years at this point. All of the above is my anecdotal contribution to the value of a machine or device that just does the core thing it was designed for in the simplest way possible.
• dieselgate 4y ago
  i've received the most compliments for coffee when using pour over, also feel it's the easiest way to make a cup/2 and it's portable for camping, travel etc. Plus everything is compostable keurig always leaves me disappointed just from a coffee drinking perspective
• poulsbohemian 4y ago
  I’ll do you one better: an electric kettle and a French press. Kettle does one thing: boils water. French press has no moving parts and is interchangeable with water and coffee from any source. Lasts forever or until you knock it off the counter. Makes good coffee.
  • wintogreen74 4y ago
    How do you prep your coffee? And a french press is a pain to clean.
    • llbeansandrice 4y ago
      Immersion brewing (french press) is really forgiving. Just don't grind the coffee too fine and you're pretty much good. I cleaned my french press by knocking out the grounds into the trash, quick rinse with water, then more water with a bit of dish soap and pump the plunger a bunch to froth the soap and clean the screen. Pour out, rinse until soap is gone, air dry. Every couple of weeks I'd do a deep clean by soaking the various parts in Cafiza and hot water. Not that bad imo.
    • Semaphor 4y ago
      > And a french press is a pain to clean. What? It’s probably the 2nd easiest to clean right after a chemex.
      • r00fus 4y ago
        Indian filter coffee is even easier - all metal, no glass. But are far simpler than the once-in-a-while cleaning of that complicated coffee machine.
    • poulsbohemian 4y ago
      I grind it in a basic cheap grinder. Studies in this stuff have shown that consistency in grind matters more than the amount of money spent on the grinder. I’m not sure what you mean by French presses being a pain to clean - you rinse out the pot, run the filter under hot water and you are good to go. Worried about coffee sludge build up on the filter? I guess you could soak it in some kind of cleaning product. I find the coffee residue comes right off with hot water.
• ellieh 4y ago
  I've had my chemex for 7 years now, and it's still going strong! I can't see it going wrong any time soon :P
• rixrax 4y ago
  In last 10 or so years I've gone a full circle with coffee makers (manufacturers rejoice!) in a quest for better coffee. From Moccamaster, to Keurig, Nespresso, french press, fancy capucino machine or two, and now back to filtered coffee /w Wilfa Classic. At the end of the day, it turns out I am drinking it for the effect, and quantity (as in volume of liquid, more is better). Although lately I've found some decafs that produce a rather pleasant brew. Filtered coffee from the 'right' (for me) ground coffees seem to hit right balance between ease of use, speed, and taste. And then there are some studies indicating that filtered coffee might be a bit healthier[0] than other forms. [0] https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/whats-the-healthiest-way-to-brew-coffee https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/whats-the-hea...
  • wgjordan 4y ago
    I'd actually consider something like the Wilfa Classic (£189.00) to be on the opposite end of the product-design spectrum compared to the $12 no-name coffee maker mentioned in the article. You see a similar 'do one thing really well' focus in high-end and low-end appliances, the difference being less-significant details that most consumers don't care about and wouldn't spend a premium to enjoy (in this case, probably more precise brewing temperatures and extraction times). In-between is where all the bloated trash gets dumped.
• josefresco 4y ago
  My simple Keurig has no clock, size options, cleaning requirements or any fancy features and it's been rock solid for years (knocks on wood). Maybe this guy/gal just needed a more simple... Keurig?
  • wintogreen74 4y ago
    I'm on my second Hamilton Beach unit like this. I really liked the simplicity and cost but now it can't even make a simple pod correctly; I'm (once more) getting weak, tepid "coffee-like water". I do clean it regularly but it also seems to be brewing very fast. So it's not just over-complexity, it's also terrible quality in a race for the bottom.
• paxys 4y ago
  Simplicity isn't a measure of quality. I have a "pro" $800 espresso machine with lots of fancy functions that is used many times a day and has been working perfectly with near zero maintenance for >10 years now. I can guarantee that the author's simple $12 drip coffee maker from Amazon is going to the landfill well before that. The problem really is that brands like Keurig are packaging these same $12 machines for $100-150, and add useless half-baked features to justify the price. Same can be said for plenty of other companies that built a reputation for quality 20+ years ago and are now trading that for a quick buck by cutting costs and sacrificing product quality. It's ultimately up to the consumer to be diligent and do their research before buying. Plenty of companies are making solid coffee machines today – Breville, Bonavita, Baratza, Gaggia, La Marzocco, Ninja, Bialetti, OXO.
  • JimtheCoder 4y ago
    "I have a "pro" $800 espresso machine " Sorry, but just had to chuckle to myself a little...
    • lapetitejort 4y ago
      Not sure if you're laughing at how cheap or expensive it is. Your local independent coffee shop might be sporting a five figure espresso machine. Equipment gets expensive when it needs to run >8 hours straight
      • JimtheCoder 4y ago
        Cheap...
        • OJFord 4y ago
          The quotes around 'pro' were as written though right, I read OP as saying 'this thing was sold to the home user as 'pro', it's expensive for the market'. I don't think someone quoting their own 'pro' is under any disillusions about how much it's used in a commercial setting... I have a Rancilio Silvia that was I think £400 (so, uh, about $400..) and it's a good thing I don't run an espresso bar. The queue out of the door would only ever shrink by people giving up and leaving. For me, it's great, but a machine that needs to make however many shots an hour all day, and peak at say 10x that, is just in a different class. Not even necessarily 'better', it just has different/extra problems to solve which would be engineering gone to waste at home; tank capacity never used, reliability never called upon.
• onewheeltom 4y ago
  The Keurig that worked well for me was a institutional model from Staples with simpler controls. The model with manual water fill works fine also. When my partner was buying a countertop oven, I suggested the version that was $5 more expensive that had a temp knob rather than a digital display, because once the display fails, you have an expensive brick.
• 0xbadcafebee 4y ago
  > The product tries to do too much. Not necessarily. It could be the product was designed around many different facets - user stories, bug reports, marketing requests, safety standards. Then there's the stuff you don't necessarily control, like cost controls and deadlines. At the end of it there's quality control, and that's where these things usually fall down. You can make a super duper fancy coffee maker that won't die after 3 months. But you need the QC to ensure quality at scale. 90% of the defects might be easy to solve, but the last 10% might be too costly/time-consuming. If only 1 in 1000 will have a defect, it might be simpler/cheaper to replace the defective ones than do the QC to prevent it. You don't have to have a simple design for reliability. But the more complex it is, the more quality control is necessary to make it reliable. (I use an Aeropress, but that's because I only drink 1 cup... for more than 1, I'd probably go french press)
• btilly 4y ago
  My wife and I got a Keurig and found metal coffee capsules that let us brew the coffee we liked in it, for a price we liked. This worked great until it stopped working. We got a replacement. We learned the hard way that Keurig has upgraded their "security" so those third party replacements no longer worked. We've thrown out the Keurig and gone back to using a purely mechanical French Press. I happen to like https://www.amazon.com/Half-Dozen-Coffee-Du-Monde/dp/B000FV5F4U/ref=asc_df_B000FV5F4U/ https://www.amazon.com/Half-Dozen-Coffee-Du-Monde/dp/B000FV5.... And I don't need a fancy coffee maker with an electronic nanny built in telling me I can't have it because nobody paid a premium for the approved packaging.
• brailsafe 4y ago
  Ironically, the latest addition to my coffee system is going to be the Fellow Ode v2 grinder. A lot of people had specific problems with the first version, and then instead of adding features, they just went in and improved all of their existing ones to solve all the issues. With the exception of an ionizer to reduce static and create a cleaner experience. But it didn't grind for espresso and still doesn't.
  • wgjordan 4y ago
    Fellow Opus ($195) is coming Feb 21 and grinds espresso: https://www.gearpatrol.com/food/a42409254/fellow-opus-grinder/ https://www.gearpatrol.com/food/a42409254/fellow-opus-grinde... https://fellowproducts.com/pages/opus-is-coming https://fellowproducts.com/pages/opus-is-coming
    • brailsafe 4y ago
      Interesting, thanks for the link. I wonder what the advantage of the Ode will be after that, for as almost double the price. I don't have an interest in getting into espresso, but I wonder
• seanhunter 4y ago
  Keurig coffee machines are garbage. They are expensive and make terrible coffee and they are designed to do one thing only: to lock you into the pods which are very high markup and have negative externalities because they go straight to landfill etc. If you want a coffee machine and don't want to spend a lot, I implore you buy something made for making great coffee like an Aeropress[1]. You can also do worse than say a chemex[2] or a French press/cafetiere[3]. Then when you can afford it buy a nice grinder[4]. Aeropress in particular is really cheap to buy, really easy to make coffee and clean afterwards and makes fantastic coffee. [1] https://aeropress.com/ https://aeropress.com/ [2] or other drip maker but chemex is a classic. https://www.chemexcoffeemaker.com/ https://www.chemexcoffeemaker.com/ [3] I don't know what brand mine is because it was a gift but it's weirdly blue with white spots. Basically everyone in France is issued a Bodum by (I think) the government or something to the extent that they don't call them a cafetiere even though that's the French word, they call them a Bodum. https://www.bodum.com https://www.bodum.com [4] Mine is a mahlkoenig which is expensive but it was a gift from my wife (similar to when Homer buys Marge a bowling ball with his name on it) so I would make her nice coffee https://www.mahlkoenig.com/ https://www.mahlkoenig.com/
  • mvanbaak 4y ago
    "But drip is for people who hate themselves and know their lives have no real purpose or meaning." -- Wednesday Addams
    • jollyllama 4y ago
      Yes, instant is the choice of the patrician.
    • foobarian 4y ago
      I don't get the drip hate. It makes perfectly good coffee. The main step functions in coffee quality for me were 1) A burr grinder and 2) get fresh roasted light to medium roast beans Everything else had negligible benefit for me. I tried the French press and Aeropress thing a while but it's way too labor intensive for how much I drink (one "10" cup drip pot per day).
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• don-code 4y ago
  In the past seven years, the only consumable I've bought for my moka pot is a new seal - $5 on eBay. The pot was made in 1947. It was my father's. Before that, it was my great aunt's. These are not statements you could make of really any product made today.
  • low_common 4y ago
    I'm not a huge fan of moka pots.
  • 0xbadcafebee 4y ago
    There are quite a few things made today you could make that statement of... french press, steel cooking utensils/pans, ceramic dishware, gas range/oven, gym weights, woodworking hand tools, leather and wool clothes, solid wood furniture, flower pots... There's still a lot of things made today that last. You just won't find them at Wal-Mart or Amazon.
    • mrguyorama 4y ago
      I once bought a knife set at walmart with 20ish pieces for less than $20. Sure, they won't be crazy tough, and sure they probably won't hold an edge very well, but it had a huge variety of knives and with a $5 sharpener they could last a decade in service. I have a smaller collection of Henkels for day to day use but I never got rid of the cheap ones because they are fantastic when I don't have the right Henkels knife and don't want to spend $80 on one knife that I will use twice a year.
  • xeromal 4y ago
    I ruined my moka pot on accident by absent mindedly putting it on my drying rack and it melting through the rack and being covered everywhere in plastic. I was afraid of the BPAs getting into my coffee.
• mjmsmith 4y ago
  I use a cheap Bodum pour over, but if I was going to spend too much money on a coffee maker: https://ammunitiongroup.com/projects_pt/terra-kaffe/ https://ammunitiongroup.com/projects_pt/terra-kaffe/
  • undersuit 4y ago
    That Terra Kaffe looks wonderful but it's probably the exact opposite of what the article writee wants. >The machine houses numerous proprietary systems Yuck.
• r3trohack3r 4y ago
  Recently did something similar, and switch to a Bunn. They aren't cheap, but my grandparent's had one last for 20 years. It's an always-on heated reservoir that uses gravity to dispense the water over the beans. You pour the water into the top, close the lid, and the room temperature water flows down into the reservoir pushing the hot water out over the beans. They are simple, easy to repair, machines. While I spent ~$100 on mine, the longevity of it will likely make it cheaper than lower priced units that need to be replaced more frequently. It brews faster than a Keurig since the reservoir is always on. It's also about as good of a pour over as you can make given the constant stream of perfect temp water. 10/10 would recommend.
  • TheCapn 4y ago
    Also 10/10 recommendation. I am assuming we have the same machine. It's been a stellar coffee machine for about 8 years now. My sister took our father's when he passed (same model) and it has been strong for 10+ years.
  • dave78 4y ago
    I was gifted a Bunn VPR a few years ago as well and love it. Nearly everything on it is made out of metal, very little plastic. Easily serviceable. Makes what I at least consider to be good coffee (I like a few cups each morning but I'm not really a connoisseur - but it's better than any drip machine I've had previously). My only complaints: 1) No auto-shutoff on the hotplate, so if you forget you get a nice burned coffee smell to remind you. 2) Keeps a reservoir of hot water all the time which isn't very efficient. I plan to add a timer to only have it be hot in the mornings when I need it. 3) I miss the interrupting feature that my old coffee maker had where you could take the pot out from underneath while it was brewing and it would not drip all over. The Bunn brews fast so this isn't a huge problem, but sometimes as it's finishing and there's a few drips coming out you want to fill your cup and not have it drip on the hotplate. It's not for everyone, but I'm happy with it and I'm confident this machine will last as long as I want it to.
• dctoedt 4y ago
  Chemex pour-over turned out to be the sweet spot: Last summer we rented a house in England for a month but the French-press coffee maker in the house was too small for our family and a pain to clean. So we picked up a Chemex, used it happily, and brought it home. Supposedly important: We use an electric kettle that allows us to specify the temperature, in this case 200°F / 93°C, not boiling. Making coffee takes a few minutes of attention but it's a nice way to wake up in the morning — as the coffee is pouring through, I'll get the paper and start reading it, check emails, empty the dishwasher, etc. Washing out the glassware each time with dish soap and a sponge wand, vice just rinsing: A habit ingrained from college-freshman chemistry class. Chemex: https://a.co/d/8YfriZF https://a.co/d/8YfriZF (Amazon.com) Bamboo stand: https://a.co/d/1n2zOet https://a.co/d/1n2zOet Chemex filters (coffee people claim they're better): https://a.co/d/6vrexRH https://a.co/d/6vrexRH
• r00fus 4y ago
  I despise Keurig and all the waste. I have a very simple coffee routine now and it works fantastically. I buy coffee grinds (I no longer have a working grinder or I'd buy beans) - I buy several blends (decaf/light/dark) and freeze them in a ziploc. I tend to just make it for myself in which case this simple filter coffee setup works great [1]. Alternatively a french press or pour-over style filter setup is just as convenient and may yield more coffee (if you're preparing for spouse/etc). Taste is quite good, and the cleanup is very simple. No maintenance. Coffee tastes great and takes very little time/materials - just need a kettle or stove + kit + grinds/beans. [1 ]https://www.amazon.com/Stainless-Steel-Coffee-Filter-Indian/dp/B01AHGGA9G https://www.amazon.com/Stainless-Steel-Coffee-Filter-Indian/...
• NoboruWataya 4y ago
  I have a Stagg EKG Electric Kettle. It is quite featureful for a kettle, with variable temperature control and the ability to continuously hold at the desired temperature. Some might even consider it too featureful (particularly if you count the snake minigame easter egg), but in general its main features are things that coffee lovers appreciate and it's a popular product. Of course, now they have released the "Pro Studio Edition", which in addition to the above also sends you updates over WiFi. What could go wrong? I agree with some other commenters, though, that this is ultimately driven by consumers. I'm sure "Corporate" would love to be able to sell us all on minimalism so they could charge more for less. But consumers love features and frankly most don't care about waste. I agree with the sentiments in the article but it is very much a minority view.
• jdlyga 4y ago
  I'm more of a cappuccino fan, and I have two coffee makers 1: A Nespresso that uses the classic pods 2: A Breville Barista Express I highly recommend the Breville if you can find it used or on discount. We got ours from a man who got extremely into espresso and upgraded 6 months later to a very high end machine. I've had it for 2 years and it's very nice. I use it to make cappuccinos, espressos, or just regular coffee with milk by adding hot water to espresso shots (Americano). The Nespresso is the quick solution if you just want espresso or cappuccino fast. The pods are ubiquitous, and you can usually find them for cheap. I definitely do not recommend the Nespresso Vertuo machines since the pods are very expensive and hard to find. Vertuo machines make coffee sized drinks, but in reality it's just a massive amount of pure espresso and not traditional American coffee like Keurig does. If you're leaning towards coffee, then just do old school pour over with a filter. You'll get better quality coffee, more options in what flavors you like, and it's generally faster. Just make sure you have a fast kettle or hot water machine.
  • bluedino 4y ago
    We have one of those Nespressos at work, they are not bad at all. Wouldn't buy one for myself, but I'll drink the free stuff.
  • zwieback 4y ago
    To me Nespresso tastes like actual espresso, Keurig is pretty trashy unless you get really high-end pods. Maybe that's not saying much since I've only had Nespresso branded pods that are expensive so it's an occasional luxury for me.
  • kylehotchkiss 4y ago
    I'm a Vertuo fan and it got me out of going to the coffeeshop almost every day in a way my Chemex doesn't (so it ended up being net savings despite the relatively higher pod cost). Being around multiple Nspresso stores helps. There's enough variety in coffee-sized pods to be interesting and occasionally I like to try to make an actual latte. The recycling program is decent and so far I haven't generated any pod generated waste. Agreed it's not right for everybody though.
• Kaibeezy 4y ago
  Aeropress ftw. There is a somewhat intricate mostly sequential workflow (inverted method): - fill and start kettle - measure and grind beans - clear and rinse coffee maker - assemble coffee maker and invert - collect grounds, funnel into coffee maker - remove funnel, replace as stand for coffee maker - check water temperature, heat or cool as necessary - pour water into top of coffee maker, 2/3 full - stir for 10 seconds - allow to rest - pour hot water into cup to warm it - insert filter into holder and rinse it - add remaining water to fill coffee maker - attach filter cap - dump water from cup - invert coffee maker over cup - press slowly to fill cup Doubles as a dementia detector. Forgot the filter? Hot muddy mess on your counter. Forgot to dump the cup warming water? Too weak to drink. Forgot to set the grind properly? Too weak or un-pressable. Forgot to finish making the coffee? It's cold. Get it all right and it's probably the most satisfying non-espresso cup.
  • xeromal 4y ago
    I always felt the inverted method was invented just for the sake of being difficult.
    • Kaibeezy 4y ago
      So did I until I used it for a while. Going back the other way a couple of things bothered me. First, it’s dripping a bit while you give it a chance to brew. But also, inverted it’s clearer how much hot water to add, right up to the top, whereas right-side-up, you’re pushing the plunger into the cylinder filled with hot water, which conflicts with wanting to get a maximum cup from an already minimum process. Somehow inverted is just feels overall more consistent and precise. Also, I lost my t-handled stirrer and when inverted you can’t accidentally lift the filter with a spoon. By complete coincidence, I found that dang stirrer yesterday so I may give right-side-up another go. Also, I like imagining the coffee maker is the Rocinante doing a flip ‘n’ burn ;)
  • squidsoup 4y ago
    If you 'pull' the aeropress slightly at the beginning, you can create a vacuum which stops the initial drip, making the normal method potentially preferable.
• LesZedCB 4y ago
  Technology Connections on youtube has an awesome video about coffee makers! its 35 minutes, but i highly recommend it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp9H0MO-qS8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp9H0MO-qS8 i think it's actually amazing how much design went into these "dead simple" coffee machines!
  • craig_s_bell 4y ago
    He also made a video about water kettles, which I found just as interesting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yMMTVVJI4c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yMMTVVJI4c
• tiborsaas 4y ago
  So far I love my Delonghi magnifica, no display or programming so it also doesn't do much and it was around $230 a few years ago. It grinds coffee beans and has sufficient water pressure and that's it. A bit loud, a bit bulky, but for the money it was a great value :)
  • jiri 4y ago
    Yes! I have few of them and they are repairable as well (for ok price). They last for many years.
• rpmisms 4y ago
  I have a Mr. Coffee machine with a timer. I got it new for $20 at Target. It makes coffee for me in the mornings. There's an appropriate level of complexity, and it's not a hard line. It's a balance between convenience and absurd complexity. Can I both achieve a simple task and a more complex task, with appropriate levels of effort for both tasks?
  • Someone1234 4y ago
    Simple drip-coffee makers still exist. A lot of other products that try to fill different needs also exist in the coffee segment. For example, I have a coffee machine that uses ground coffee to make just a single cup instead of a whole pot, like a Keurig, but without the wasteful pods. Is this over-engineered? Maybe compared to a Mr. Coffree, but I it fills my needs without added pods.
  • SoftTalker 4y ago
    Yeah I got a countertop oven/air fryer for Christmas. It's nice and all, but very complicated. It has over 100 preset modes, and you can program your own. But 99% of the time all I want to do is set a temperature and a time. That's easy enough, but it would be a much more elegant machine without all the other options and controls.
    • rpmisms 4y ago
      It would be better if you still had all the presets, but also a very simple interface for temp and time. If you want to make a specific recipe, you can still use a preset, but simple tasks are still simple.
  • ilyt 4y ago
    That was our hack for the coffee in the previous job. Company mandated timers coz people forgot to turn it off when leaving so what we did ? Obviously prepared it before leaving then timer started it around 8:50 and we got a bunch of fresh coffee in the morning and smell of coffee right from the door
• l8again 4y ago
  In the same vein, I think the industry is ripe for "smart-less" TVs. Reduce the cost, and take all the smarts out of it. Don't even need wifi. Apple TV, roku, chromecast - enough good options out there that there's really no need for your TV to come built in with any apps or smart features.
  • AdamJacobMuller 4y ago
    I hope that you're right but I don't think you are. While we (you, me, most of HN) see smart TVs as an anti-feature, most of the public sees them as a huge feature. "I can't buy a TV that doesn't support Netflix, I want to watch Netflix!" "yes but you can just get a AppleTV and watch Netflix with that" "I don't like the Apple TV service, it doesn't have as many good shows as Netflix!" Even if you can convince them that AppleTV can show them netflix you need to get past such insurmountable obstacles as "needing an HDMI cable" and "having two remotes" and "which input does the TV need to be on?" and "which remote do I use for the volume?" And, yes, CEC fixes some of this and 80% of the time when it works it's fantastic. I think we'll see TVs which have "swappable" OSes before we see smart-free TVs but I don't think either one is gonna happen in my lifetime. I'm just resigned to buy the least-shitty smart TV experience I can and to neuter it as much as I can. Currently I have a nice LG C9 OLED which doesn't bother me at all. If this dies before me, or, I feel compelled for an 8K/UltraHDR upgrade, I think LG will continue to offer reasonably non-shitty experiences on their top of the line TVs which I can block from the internet still. When they stop doing that I'll just buy a projector. When projectors become infested with this nonsense I'll just move to the woods and become a hermit.
    • acdha 4y ago
      > While we (you, me, most of HN) see smart TVs as an anti-feature, most of the public sees them as a huge feature. There's a lot of truth here but the manufacturers skimp so much on hardware that they're making that easier to understand. When you buy a brand new Samsung 4K TV and it can't play >1080p without stuttering the value of an Apple TV is a lot easier to understand. > Even if you can convince them that AppleTV can show them netflix you need to get past such insurmountable obstacles as "needing an HDMI cable" and "having two remotes" and "which input does the TV need to be on?" and "which remote do I use for the volume?" This is incorrect for the last 3 (you need something like 2000s-era hardware not to auto-detect inputs or allow the player's remote to control the volume) and the first one is true but also quite familiar to most people and it's hard to buy one without some kind of “do you already have a cable?” prompt since the vendors all want to sell you one.
• xeromal 4y ago
  Anyone interested in how the traditional american coffee maker works should watch this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp9H0MO-qS8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp9H0MO-qS8 Very fun video and I love the concept of using a piece of metal as a temperature-sensitive valve.
  • JshWright 4y ago
    Alec calls this out in both the description and in the video itself, but be sure to check out The Engineer Guy's video on the topic as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j4Q_YBRJEI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j4Q_YBRJEI
• Axien 4y ago
  Apple had a design philosophy that a device should do one thing only. That is why the iPod was so amazingly successful. It was just a music player. No meeting planner or contacts list. Just played music. This design simplified things and allowed each button to serve a distinct purpose. With the iPhone, the design philosophy carried. The iPhone could change itself via running different apps. To switch between features you had a single giant button at the bottom. But each app should do one thing. So it was either a phone, calculator, GPS, or Rolodex. But never all at the same time. And never more than one thing on screen at the same time. They started to get away from this, such as using a volume button to take a picture. Or displaying a video inside a window. I would argue overall it makes things more complicated.
  • SllX 4y ago
    Apple added contacts, notes, calendars, photos, videos, podcasts, and games over subsequent revisions. From day 1 you could use it as a FireWire drive in addition to a music player (5GB when USB flash drives were still measured in megabytes and likely going over a 1.1 bus instead of a 2.0 bus). It might have had a game or two at launch but I can’t honestly remember at this point, but either way games for iPods were also sold through iTunes in a later revision. iPods were best used as music players but they were pretty much always multi-function devices. In a world where Apple didn’t follow it up with iPhones: music phones and camera phones were finally starting to converge in a way that would have eventually eaten the iPod’s and point-and-shoot camera market’s lunches.
  • Reason077 4y ago
    > "To switch between features you had a single giant button at the bottom. But each app should do one thing. So it was either a phone, calculator, GPS, or Rolodex. But never all at the same time." On the Apple Watch they've taken this philosophy a little bit too far, in my opinion. In several cases you have apps that are conceptually very similar (such as the "Find Items" app and the "Find Devices" app) ... really these are so similar that they should be the same app, yet they are separate, which clutters up the app launcher with huge numbers of apps. And an over-cluttered app launcher is, by nature, more difficult and slower to use.
• Night_Thastus 4y ago
  Customers are ultimately the problem here - not designers. Customers want lots of features, and they want it at a cheap price. This has resulted in an arms race of every-more-poorly made devices that try to do more and more with less and less. This is the problem. Demand. Not the designers. They're just working within the market that exists. There is of course demand on the higher end price brackets as well, but that's a separate discussion. That makes up a minority of all sales in terms of volume.
• femto113 4y ago
  Simple drip machines are a marvel--I spend more on a month's supply of beans than I do on the maker, and have been getting about 5 years daily service out of each one. Technology Connections made a great video explaining how stupid/brilliant they are https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp9H0MO-qS8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp9H0MO-qS8
• aaronbrethorst 4y ago
  My coffee maker is a ceramic cone with a tiny hole in the bottom and a handle on one side. Best one I've ever had, and I can't imagine using anything else to make coffee. It'll never become obsolete, never need descaling, and has been 'running' perfectly for over 10 years now.
  • deepsquirrelnet 4y ago
    I agree. No need to over-complicate pouring water into a cone. As an added benefit, I don’t have to spend my morning participating in technology and the occasional associated frustrations. I can save that for later in my day, after I’ve had my cup of coffee.
• squidsoup 4y ago
  If you want a simple drip machine that makes really good coffee, I can highly recommend a Moccamaster. It's probably the closest you're going to get to a pour over with a machine, and it has only two buttons - one to turn the machine on, and another to to adjust how long the plate stays hot.
  • sgt 4y ago
    Agreed! I just bought one. Super happy. On the slim chance that someone else here from South Africa wants one, I bought mine from here: https://capecoffeebeans.co.za/products/technivorm-moccamaster-kbg-741-ao-filter-coffee-machine https://capecoffeebeans.co.za/products/technivorm-moccamaste... (I am not affiliated)
  • conor- 4y ago
    I have a Bonavita one-touch machine that makes excellent coffee for a drip brewer - it simply has an on switch and a thermal carafe to avoid scorching your coffee with a hot plate and I've been using it daily for going on 3 years now with 0 issues. Iirc it was one of the top recommendations from America's Test Kitchen for a while.
  • debunn 4y ago
    I came here to recommend the same! Mine's the thermal carafe version (so it doesn't have a hot plate) - so it's even more straightforward. Some selling points you didn't mention though: - It has a 5 year warranty - It's handmade in the Netherlands - Replacement parts are available without too much effort
• noefingway 4y ago
  I highly recommend cold brew coffee. We make it once a week or so. My wife grinds her mix of beans, into the toddy, add cold water, let steep over night and drip the next day. Add some brew to a cup and top off with hot water. Cold brew will keep for quite a while in the refrigerator. No fuss, bother and filling the landfill with little plastic cups. IMHO too many simple tasks are over-engineered into ready to fail products.
  • andix 4y ago
    I totally agree. Go low tech or get a real Italian (style) espresso machine for a few thousand dollars. But only if making coffee is your hobby. Otherwise low tech is good enough, there are so many ways to make good coffee without a machine (cold brew, french press, manual filters, Turkish coffee, …)
• fwungy 4y ago
  My coffee maker can communicate with my stove and refrigerator over wifi. He seems less lonely now.
• jamesgreenleaf 4y ago
  It's funny how the engineers are rarely the ones over-engineering.
• deafpolygon 4y ago
  My $20 coffee maker lasts me years.
• fwungy 4y ago
  The Simpson's Poochie episode is an insightful and classic satire on product design.
• s-xyz 4y ago
  This is very recognizable. Every time I arrive at the coffee machine, I have to perform 30 tasks (cleaning, rinsing, …) and press on 20 settings just to get a simple espresso.
• CmdrLoskene 4y ago
  https://us.moccamaster.com/collections/cafe-office-brewers/products/cdt https://us.moccamaster.com/collections/cafe-office-brewers/p... It ain't cheap, but it's sturdy and dependable, and it makes a very good cup of coffee. It's already outlasted every other coffee machine I've ever had.
  • devindotcom 4y ago
    This is the latest classic home version of that, I have one: https://us.moccamaster.com/products/kbgv-select https://us.moccamaster.com/products/kbgv-select Good coffee, compact, looks good, easily fixable if a piece breaks since the movable parts are all individually purchasable (e.g. carafe top). Definitely expensive though. The 8-cup OXO is another good option.
• andix 4y ago
  In my kitchen I always try to go as low tech as possible. Usually that’s not worse then high tech, way more reliable and often less work. For coffee: just get a French press. The taste is somewhere between Filter coffee and espresso. You can’t run out of filters, because you don’t need any. The only waste you produce is the coffee. And you can get them for as little as 10$. And you can let the dishwasher clean it.
  • disparate_dan 4y ago
    Do you tolerate a lot of grounds in your coffee, or use a really course grind? I like the result of a French press except for all the grounds.
    • toddmorey 4y ago
      I mentioned this above, but the Aeropress is a great solution for French press simplicity and taste without the grounds ending up in your cup. It has tiny round paper filters and it's pretty much self-cleaning. After using it (all manual), you just unscrew the filter and eject the coffee grounds.
      • andix 4y ago
        I need to try one of those once. But if you need filters that’s really bad for me. I always forget to restock on those little things. I’m already happy if I managed to buy coffee on time ;)
        • falcolas 4y ago
          FWIW, a filter pack has around 300 filters last time I checked. You'll have a bit of headroom.
          • andix 4y ago
            Okay, that’s good. I can keep the French press as a fallback. But usually I run on green tea, which you can always do Chinese style, by just putting the leaves into a glass with hot water and wait until they reach the bottom of the glass.
• sgtnoodle 4y ago
  The $12 one works great until the thermal fuse blows for no reason. Luckily it's easy to fix with a soldering iron. I've been doing pour-overs for a couple years now. I am always amused when I get LinkedIn messages from coffee brewing startups looking for embedded firmware engineers!
• sidfthec 4y ago
  The model that I think the OP is talking about has 3.4/5 stars on Keurig's own website. That's a horrible rating. Maybe there's a different lesson to be learned here?
• bravoetch 4y ago
  V60 or French Press is enough. You can use it for decades without anything but basic cleaning. Machines like Keurig are a disease.
  • sgt 4y ago
    French press I would not recommend. You get a lot of unhealthy oils normally removed by a paper filter. After my coffee maker broke, I ran with french press (about 6 cups a day) for 2 months and it made me feel unhealthy after a while. Then I switched back to a drip coffee maker (Moccamaster in fact) - coffee is excellent. Same issue might apply to espresso machines.. not sure.
• sdeframond 4y ago
  So the manufacturer gets revenue from the sale but externalizes the cost of trashing the device. The buyer personally benefits from many features for cheap, and externalizes the environmental cost to society. I say it is good design, from a business perspective. Also, yet another instance of the Tragedy Of The Commons https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons
• thom 4y ago
  We had a Nespresso for years and it was great. We felt guilty, but the pods were tactile and beautiful and the coffee was fine. Eventually we moved on to a bean to cup machine with all sorts of complicated settings. That was great too, and has never stopped working. I’ve had an Aeropress for years but eventually I realised I’d just skip having coffee because I couldn’t be arsed grinding beans and faffing and then washing it up every time. I do think having little physical rituals in life is important, especially when they break you out of the monotony of work etc. But also life is short and I like things that work well. My response to a broken coffee machine will always be to get a better coffee machine, not a worse one.
  • Reason077 4y ago
    Yep. As much as I used to love my Aeropress, it's been sitting and gathering dust in a drawer for a few years now. +1 for bean-to-cup coffee machines!
• Reason077 4y ago
  My Delonghi coffee machine (ECAM 350.35.W) developed a fault after a couple of years of use. It would often give an "INSERT INFUSER ASSEMBLY" error when trying to turn it on, especially if it was already warmed up (cold starts on cold mornings tended to work fine!). Perhaps this was due to a faulty microswitch or similar so it was failing to properly detect the position of the infuser within the machine. Delonghi charged £120 for the repair, including shipping both ways, which is about 1/4 of the new price. Came back fully cleaned, descaled, and serviced and has worked perfectly again ever since. So hats off to Delonghi for designing repairable machines!
• landswipe 4y ago
  One of the best high quality purchases I have made is an Italian coffee grinder, built like a tank. It doesn't even have soft power, but it does have a small touch LCD (non dot matrix) to set the timer. Perfecto!
• bigwheeler 4y ago
  I have a 4-cup Mr Coffee maker (definitely purchased for less than $25) that has been chugging along for about 15 years now. I just bought a Breville Nespresso Creatista Plus over the holidays because I got spoiled in Italy a few months ago. Which one will die first? I know what my money is on...
• goldcd 4y ago
  If you want a decent coffee maker that'll outlast you - https://www.moccamaster.eu/ https://www.moccamaster.eu/ Made out of extruded aluminium and a copper element, handbuilt in Netherlands, been making then for decades, spare parts available, makes good coffee. Not going to change your life - but one less thing to worry about. Makes me 0.1% happier every morning.
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• wyclif 4y ago
  Keurig is a blight on coffee; here's why: https://muddydogcoffee.wordpress.com/2011/04/01/why-the-keurig-k-cup-is-the-beginning-of-the-end-for-great-coffee/ https://muddydogcoffee.wordpress.com/2011/04/01/why-the-keur...
• michaelhoney 4y ago
  Love the breadth and depth of opinion in the comments. I have French press, Aeropress, Chemex, and Moka pot at home and am currently using them in descending frequency. I’m using the French press more now since I stayed at an AirBnB that had the Timemore Small U French Press [0] - it’s a really well-resolved bit of kit. I have a wooden stirring stick which was once a large rough chopstick, and I am enjoying feeling it acquire smoothness and patina over time. [0] https://us.timemore.com/collections/other/products/timemore-small-u-french-press-450ml https://us.timemore.com/collections/other/products/timemore-...
• torh 4y ago
  Talking about coffe makers. I swear to Moccamaster. At my grandfathers cabin, I've had coffee made from a Moccamaster older then me, and I'm turning 40 later this year. It just makes damn good coffee. Don't expect it to break on my watch.