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Looking at the Reddit thread about this, there was some arguably racist stuff going on in his repo which could've been related to this suspension. I'm not sure
by donkeyd 4y ago
Looking at the Reddit thread about this, there was some arguably racist stuff going on in his repo which could've been related to this suspension. I'm not sure whether this is the right way to handle such things (banning those specific repo's might be better), but it would be somewhat understandable.
- dijit 4y ago[flagged]
- violini 4y agoWhat do the double and triple parentheses mean in context of a Stable Diffusion prompt like the one you linked? e.g. might it apply some weighting to the phrase? Additionally, I wonder, looking at that prompt, maybe he was banned for beastiality.
- Semaphor 4y agoFrom context I gathered from other SD posts, yeah, weighting. The more, the heavier.
- londons_explore 4y agoIt is exactly that - each parenthesis doubles the weight of what's enclosed.
- LeeroyWasHere 4y agoIt's a weight system, { } are also used. You can use as many or as little as you want to rank them in terms of importance. Some people use a number system, but it gets messy.
- pizza 4y agoIf this is about racist shit I’ll be the first to admit that’s a shame. It’d be better if the judgment of that was handed down by the community- if it indeed is the case - rather than obscure tos maneuvering, but, well, we don’t exactly live in the most perfect of all worlds. That said I believe in the capacity for people to not be like how they used to be, and, furthermore, my opinion on why this is happening isn’t any more authoritative than anyone else’s speculation, I guess, so… who knows? Some other comments seem to suggest it’s just part of the dsl/grammar for the ui- it’s something I have not explored myself much
- _8j50 4y agoWhat community? What if the majority are racist? Does MS have an obligation to host racist or even undesirable content on github?
- wincy 4y agoPeople in other threads are saying it’s because he helped make a mod for a game where you can make all the characters white. Which is apparently enraging. But like, it’s racist if I want to modify a single player game to make the players white? And even if it is I wish people would just butt out. Seems like a bunch of busybodies policing behavior. It’s just gotten crazy and is really dumb at this point. Are we going to have to have a “free speech GitHub” run by Elon Musk too? How did the internet turn into such a snooze fest where every edgelord has to be sanded down to be safe and snuggly so nobody gets hurt? I remember my wife got banned from the Sims mod community for asking if there was a mod that’d let her simulate Craster’s Keep from Game of Thrones. She likes telling bizarre stories through electronic media. If she wanted to tell that story in Rimworld (which like, I don’t play Rimworld so just guessing) she’d need a mod to make the skin tones match up. Uh oh is that racist now?
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- bongobingo1 4y ago> Prior to its use as an antisemitic label or identifier, ((( screen name ))) had been used in online communities such as AOL to indicate that a user was "cyberhugging" the user with the specified screen name. Why are all the nice things ruined by bigots.
- Semaphor 4y agoJust wait till you hear that some circles of the net think using pepe the frog is a racist dog whistle.
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- Mountain_Skies 4y agoOr that using the ok finger gesture briefly was career ending because 4chan openly declared a psyop to see if they could bait social media into declaring it a white supremacist symbol. Worked like a charm and hysteria abounded for a couple of months before the next hysteria was birthed and that one quickly forgotten. Unfortunately, some people who don't keep up with the day-to-day changes in what's considered unacceptable communication, got labeled as racist for making the ok sign even though there was no ill intent or even knowledge that anyone now considered it a taboo gesture.
- Semaphor 4y agoWow, that probably was contained within the US? Never heard of it. edit: Background https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OK_gesture#White_power_symbol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OK_gesture#White_power_symbol Seems like they managed to have white power fans actually adopt it.
- ModernMech 4y agoI don’t know, I still have questions. I was told exactly this in 2002 by my Southern good ol boy social studies teacher. According to him, it was a sign that KKK members in his town used to signal group membership to one another. In his telling the three extended fingers meant KKK, and they would tuck the thumb and index finger in their belt or waistband. Either he was making it up then and it’s a complete coincidence his story matches the 4chan story 15 years later, which is also made up; or there’s a kernel of truth to it, and this guy was letting us in on some weird aspect of racist subculture that made its way to the mainstream in 2017. These people had so many other weird customs (like calling themselves wizards and dragons), I don’t see why secret hand signals are out of the question.
- isoprophlex 4y agoStrange if true. Those triple parentheses are weight modifiers, increasing the importance of the tokens inside. This reddit link posted elsewhere gives a more damning view, aside from the triple parentheses: https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/103upr6/comment/j319m3k/ https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/103upr6/co...
- londons_explore 4y agoAnd none of the triple parentheses contain peoples names or anything that could be considered religious... I'd guess this was enforced by someone reading a corporate policy that said "if you see triple parentheses, it's hate speech, ban the account".
- isoprophlex 4y agoMaybe, yes. On further investigation (see reddit) there also seems to be a CSV file with artist names in the repo. Black artists have a string 'n' in some unspecified column. I can't check myself if this might mean something else, eg. if other ethnicities also have this string... but there are some suspicious things going on in a that repo for sure. More than just the parentheses.
- iinnPP 4y agoThe n identifier has a valid place in a world trying to say the output is racist. It is not exclusively applied to any skin color either.
- iinnPP 4y agoI read through the Reddit thread and they seem to be focused on the letter n being tagged on certain names (they claim is stands for the n word with strong racist meaning.) Later someone points out that there is another artist who paints mostly darker skin tones who also has the n identifier. I can, immediately and without effort, see why this might be added. As a way to force representation in output. This is, to me, akin to paint which lets you pick a color (let's go with purple) for skin. The Rimworld mod cited apparently comes with an "all white, all black, and all yellow" version. The only version mentioned by the angry folks is the white one. Does anyone know the truth of the matter above?
- Semaphor 4y ago> though it's pretty disgusting in other ways In what ways? All I can see is some furry porn stuff. Explicit and not my fetish, but what parts are disgusting?
- poszlem 4y agoI can imagine that porn with animals (even cartoons) might be disgusting to some people. There is a reason why bestiality is quite high in the list of social taboos.
- Filligree 4y agoIn context of stable diffusion it’s something that would be extremely difficult to generate, and therefore a good example in a prompt-crafting class. I’d say it’s an odd choice, except there are also plenty of others.
- ethbr0 4y agoDoes beast-on-beast qualify as beastiality? I always thought that was just, you know, a Tuesday on Animal Planet?
- thedorkknight 4y agoProbably not, but animal planet isn't made explicitly for human sexual gratification, so the comparison is a bit disingenuous
- ethbr0 4y agoIt was in the context of furry porn being upsetting. Not sure if panda furry on fox furry counts as beastiality. Maybe? It seems different. In the end though, I blame Disney.
- MissLaeti 4y agoI thought exactly the same. I think people just think that furry stuff and zoo/bestiality stuff are the same thing.
- cypress66 4y agoThat's a nice example of false accusations. Parenthesis are used for increasing the weights of some terms. See how he uses single, double or triple parenthesis on different words. It has nothing to do with the triple parenthesis jew thing.
- oefrha 4y agoI have no frigging idea even triple parentheses are unspeakable now. Just ran rg '\(\(\(.*\)\)\)' in my projects directory and found many instances authored by me. Guess I should prioritize fixing these, or next time I'm the target of some controversy, someone will use these as evidence of my antisemitism.
- dsr_ 4y agoUsing multiple parens around a name is derogatory code for "this person is Jewish". Context is important.
- luckylion 4y agoSo (((disfigured feet))) in the linked prompt means the feet are Jewish, and it's not about increasing the term weight? Thanks, I learned something new today.
- smcl 4y agoWell if there was a person called "disfigured feet" who was Jewish, and you always referred to their name in triple-parens (and for some reason you repeatedly tweeted a bunch of Jewish people, always with the triple-parens) then yes this would be an good indication that you were using it as an anti-semitic dogwhistle. However the GP was careful to note that context is important here. I've no idea about term weights in these AI prompts, but you seem to so if varying levels of parenthesis is common to denote a weight then you can simply say so without the snark.
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- tinus_hn 4y agoIs this someone at Reddit who found that prompt, or was he banned from GitHub for something he wrote on Reddit?
- muglug 4y agoThere’s a Reddit thread that goes into some detail: https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/103upr6/automatic1111_github_repository_removed/j319m3k/ https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/103upr6/au...
- noirscape 4y agoSo it seems the actual reason for the suspension is that Automatic had a mod for the colony-sim game RimWorld that disables certain skin colors from appearing in the game. If you're not familiar, these sorts of mods are near universally made for racist dogwhistling; they're the "barely passable but not really" version of mods that would straight up whitewash non-white characters. The entire debacle started a couple of years ago iirc with the game Stardew Valley, which has non-randomized unique characters and someone made a mod to iirc whitewash the black characters that the game has (straight up just respriting them to look white). The mod was pulled from both Steam and Nexus if I recall, and a few weeks later you saw these sorts of "one skin color only" mods appear in games with a heavy focus on randomized character creation (the uploaders of these mods also usually try to say it's not racist by uploading multiple variations such as a mod that disables all white skin colors; this is just flimsy excuses, which becomes apparent when you look at the activity stats for these mods). Modding sites aren't very reliable on taking action on them, so it's the loophole used to still get away with doing racist shit.
- ilyt 4y agoI mean, I wouldn't be surprised if some of them were made just to troll people, like the time where 4chan briefly made some morons think OK sign is some racist/white nationalist thing
- NDizzle 4y agoBriefly? Still a thing.
- noirscape 4y agoWell, y'know then Poe's Law[0] kicks in. Repeating racist dogwhistles but doing it "to own the libs" is y'know, still repeating racist dogwhistles. I can totally understand a company like GitHub for purely cynical money reasons not wanting to be affiliated with that sort of thing even if it's ironic (which, Poes Law, I have no reason to believe is the case with Automatic). As for the OK sign thing; that was a case of "4chan sliced a bunch of older pictures together of Trump and his ilk making an OK-sign" (which yeah, it's a common hand gesture, wow). The kinda strange thing is that it resulted in a sort of self-perpetuating effect; you had in part the media falling for the prank, but at the same time, those very same Trump supporters started doing the OK-hand deliberately to indicate what political "team" they belonged on. It fell out of favor with those Trump supporters after a bit (because y'know, it was just a trend and trends defined solely by "trolling the libs" don't tend to last; eventually "the libs" catch on and they need something new). Basically doing something ironically can make the people whose behavior you're emulating think they're in good company. Unless you take it to straight up absurdist levels (no Nazi will ever use Springtime for Hitler as propaganda), that will always happen. Stuff like being clear about it being made to mock (as with Poes Law, which suggests things like the /s sarcasm marker) or extreme absurdity (Springtime) helps avoid that. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
- ilyt 4y ago> I don't know if github is a good arbiter of what is and what isn't considered hate speech I think they have proved beyond shadow of doubt that they are not
- pelasaco 4y agoi will never forget when in my interview process there, they wanted me to go through a 3 hours session with their diversity manager.. I just gave up from the process.
- ilyt 4y agoI'd go just for lols, would make for interesting post.
- pelasaco 4y agothe whole thing was just a waste of time.. I had some technical test, then I was invited for some interviews, then I had some more rounds, including with the future manager, which approved me, but then they changed my process (from github us, to github uk) and they wanted to start again the whole set of interviews including the diversity one.. then I just found something better.
- sshine 4y agoDisclaimer: I don't understand the context; I'm simply commenting on https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1020158613093892256/1030540569971265636/unknown.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1020158613093892256/1...: > [...] nsfw [...] on all fours [...] balls [...] penis between paws [...] He got banned for sex prompting? > [...] disfigured face, missing eyes, missing limbs [...] 2 toes, 3 toes [...] Okay, okay... maybe GitHub isn't the place for popularising gore porn generators, but... > [...] child, young [...] Ah.
- doctor_eval 4y agoI know nothing at all about prompt engineering but I think those words were negative prompts intended to ensure those things don’t emerge.
- sshine 4y agoIt seems that you know more than me. Thank you for clarifying.
- KarlKode 4y agoDid you miss that the child stuff is explicitly mentioned as negative prompt (which I assume is used to let the network know that you don't want those traits in the output image)?
- sshine 4y agoI didn't know what a negative prompt is. I've used my ignorance as an opportunity for others to better interpret this also.
- darau1 4y agoEven after gaining the context that triple parentheses are antisemitic, I thought it very unusual that someone would see identifying "detailed face" as Jewish to be racist.
- GoldenJackal 4y agoWait, what? AUTOMATIC had nothing to do with that prompt. A user from the Furry Diffusion Discord wrote it and I was suspended from reddit for posting it here (NSFW): https://www.reddit.com/r/FurAI/comments/y2l9o5/want_a_ride_m/ https://www.reddit.com/r/FurAI/comments/y2l9o5/want_a_ride_m... The suspension was lifted on appeal. Terms like “disfigured” were in the negative prompt to make appearance less likely, and the parentheses were to add or reduce weight of certain terms. I’m amused, but baffled, to see it brought up here at all—it should have nothing at all to do with any of this.
- nigamanth 4y agoStolen as in how stolen? Did he give credits or not? I use templates for common shit all the time, but I'm not banned from GH.
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- josteink 4y ago> Looking at the Reddit thread about this, there was some arguably racist stuff going on in his repo That may or may have been warranted but these days "some arguably racist stuff" is a too vague description to be meaningful to act on, or pass judgement by on its own. Do you have the link to the relevant reddit-thread for better context?
- donkeyd 4y agoIt's been pasted multiple times in the comments, but here it is: https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/103upr6/comment/j319m3k/ https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/103upr6/co... If it was just one of those examples, sure. But there are multiple things that are 'arguably racist' combined with apparent activity on 4chan, I'd say it doesn't seem just coincidental. We don't know whether this has anything to do with the suspension though, everything that's being written is all just theories.
- tlogan 4y agoThere is about 42% of population which do not support George Floyd protests. White mode is also not really racist: at least it is less racists than certain members of US government. However, he is based in Russia and that changes everything.
- huggingrear 4y agoI saw this response debunking the whole mod accusation: https://old.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/103vsm2/webuis_new_home/j31r3sr/ https://old.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/103vsm2/we... As for 4chan activity, how on earth can anything there be attributed to anyone ? It's a anonymous messaging board. I can go there and claim that I'm the prince of Wales and start making egregious statements.
- mensetmanusman 4y agoSomeone can plant racist information anywhere and wait for the ban hammer then?
- dEnigma 4y agoThe racist "information" in this case was produced by the maintainer of the project themself though.
- huggingrear 4y agoDid he add the 'n' tag or did he just accept a PR with changes made to artists.csv ? That's quite a important distinction. As for the mods, I have no problem with those, he made the WhiteOnly mod as a response to existing mods which removed white people, and I can't argue against the George Floyd riots being anything but peaceful.
- ohgodplsno 4y agoThe very first version of this file, authored by him, already included the 'n', only on artists that are either black or draw black people in art. But sure, look at the guy that has dozens of red flags that all scream white supremacy and brush it off with "lol george floyd protests were violent tho".
- huggingrear 4y agoDid he create the artists.csv file himself, or did he copy it from somewhere ? This eagerness to attribute racism and 'white supremacy' to people has made the accusation pointless IMO. I think the BlackLivesMatter movement was a big scam that fueled riots which cost people lives and a ton of economic damage while riding on a wave of legitimate but overblown criticism of police violence. Am I a white supremacist now ?
- themaninthedark 4y agoWas reading the Reddit thread and noticed this was said about the 'n' tag: >Out of 3041 artists in the file 16 of them are tagged as 'n', and a further 8 >tagged as 'c' (no idea what it means either). > Alain Laboile,0.67634284,c > Julie Blackmon,0.72862685,c > William-Adolphe Bouguereau,0.618265,c > Bapu,0.6122084,c > Robert Irwin,0.58078,c > Cassius Marcellus Coolidge,0.5805516,c > Dr. Seuss,0.5597466,c > Henning Jakob Henrik Lund,0.5147134,c Another uses also wrote: >I don’t think they marked black artists with an n as you seem to be claiming. >There are also white artists marked with a c, like Julie Blackmon. Also I found >a german white artist Mati Klarwein who has an n in the dataset.