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If Apple answer to that regulation is to go wireless and use a system that's compatible with other brands, that is a massive victory for the EU and the planet i

by nolok 4y ago

If Apple answer to that regulation is to go wireless and use a system that's compatible with other brands, that is a massive victory for the EU and the planet in terms of reduced waste. The goal was to reduce waste and they already included in the same regulation that if companies don't agree on a common tech for wireless (like it is now) but go their own way to sell exclusive ones that can't be used with other brands then they would regulate that too.

threeseed 4y ago
iPhones are compatible with the Qi standard which is limited to 7.5 watts. MagSafe however can charge up to 15 watts. So in some respects it is still a proprietary connector.
- sofixa 4y ago
  The Qi 1.2 standard is up to 15 watts.
  - threeseed 4y ago
    Which was released in 2015 and Apple still does not support. I doubt they will let anything compete with MagSafe short of more EU regulation.
- krzyk 4y ago
  Qi supports at least Baseline Power Profile (which is 5 W) and the Extended Power Profile (which is 15W). I'm not sure what and why Apple did to introduce 7.5W which is proprietary Apple extension.
dymk 4y ago
Charging cables contribute such a minuscule amount to landfills it’s laughable. It’s feel good legislation that distracts from real environmentally conscious efforts.
- CamperBob2 4y ago
  Meanwhile, the power loss associated with mandatory wireless charging over the typical phone's lifetime will impose a carbon cost of its own.
- simion314 4y ago
  >Charging cables contribute such a minuscule amount to landfills it’s laughable. Do you also include that actual charger and not only the cable part? Can you show me your numbers, do you mean by weight/volume , CO2 wasted in creating and shipping the chargers ? But there are more benefits by using a standard port, I can use a Samsung charger for a table in my Asus phone, I can share a charger for 2 products and not buy a new one if the old one is gone.
  - tzs 4y ago
    Apple chargers are USB chargers. To charge a Lightning device you use a USB to Lightning cable.
    - simion314 4y ago
      So can you use your Apple cable with the charger from a Samsung ?
      - scarface74 4y ago
        Yes
      - joeblubaugh 4y ago
        Yes
        simion314 4y ago
        So why are some Apple fans complaining? They keep their chargers and will need a new cable when buying a new phone, is Apple exploiting this and selling cables at giant prices ? Also if iPad and the laptops already use USB then you might share same cables now if you are out of battery and you do not have a phone charger with you.
DocTomoe 4y ago
Oh, sure, they will allow standard Qi charging - but they will also offer an Apple-branded charger that is incompatible with other devices and will charge a lot faster. Never underestimate the capacity for malicious compliance, especially when it comes to laws that are considered unfair. Also, my arguably 20 year old high school-level knowledge tells me that charging by induction will by necessity waste more electric energy than a cable would.
- deleted 4y ago
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- newaccount74 4y ago
  you are right. Phones get pretty warm when using wireless charging. On the iPhone X it was so bad that you couldn't use Facetime while on a wireless charger, because the phone would throttle the CPU after 10 minutes or so because the phone got too hot. Not sure if they fixed it on later models, but I guess this is why they are limiting charging power. Glass and stainless steel aren't particularly good heat conductors. Maybe Magsafe support more power because the exact alignment reduces waste heat.
mschuster91 4y ago
Removing the connector entirely has the downside of creating a ton of dead or difficult-to-recover devices in the case there's a bug in the later steps of the boot rom that provide some basic flashing interface - Samsung learned that the hard way recently with their faulty GVI3 update for the Watch 4 series. It bricked the watch so hard it couldn't boot up to WiFi-capable Odin mode any more, and lower-level interfaces on the SoC were not accessible any more because there were no ports. [1] https://www.sammobile.com/news/new-galaxy-watch-4-update-solves-the-bricking-issue-for-some-makes-it-worse-for-others/ https://www.sammobile.com/news/new-galaxy-watch-4-update-sol...

by nolok 4y ago

threeseed 4y ago

iPhones are compatible with the Qi standard which is limited to 7.5 watts. MagSafe however can charge up to 15 watts. So in some respects it is still a proprietary connector.

sofixa 4y ago
The Qi 1.2 standard is up to 15 watts.
- threeseed 4y ago
  Which was released in 2015 and Apple still does not support. I doubt they will let anything compete with MagSafe short of more EU regulation.
krzyk 4y ago
Qi supports at least Baseline Power Profile (which is 5 W) and the Extended Power Profile (which is 15W). I'm not sure what and why Apple did to introduce 7.5W which is proprietary Apple extension.

dymk 4y ago

Charging cables contribute such a minuscule amount to landfills it’s laughable. It’s feel good legislation that distracts from real environmentally conscious efforts.

CamperBob2 4y ago
Meanwhile, the power loss associated with mandatory wireless charging over the typical phone's lifetime will impose a carbon cost of its own.
simion314 4y ago
>Charging cables contribute such a minuscule amount to landfills it’s laughable. Do you also include that actual charger and not only the cable part? Can you show me your numbers, do you mean by weight/volume , CO2 wasted in creating and shipping the chargers ? But there are more benefits by using a standard port, I can use a Samsung charger for a table in my Asus phone, I can share a charger for 2 products and not buy a new one if the old one is gone.
- tzs 4y ago
  Apple chargers are USB chargers. To charge a Lightning device you use a USB to Lightning cable.
  - simion314 4y ago
    So can you use your Apple cable with the charger from a Samsung ?
    - scarface74 4y ago
      Yes
    - joeblubaugh 4y ago
      Yes
      - simion314 4y ago
        So why are some Apple fans complaining? They keep their chargers and will need a new cable when buying a new phone, is Apple exploiting this and selling cables at giant prices ? Also if iPad and the laptops already use USB then you might share same cables now if you are out of battery and you do not have a phone charger with you.

DocTomoe 4y ago

Oh, sure, they will allow standard Qi charging - but they will also offer an Apple-branded charger that is incompatible with other devices and will charge a lot faster. Never underestimate the capacity for malicious compliance, especially when it comes to laws that are considered unfair. Also, my arguably 20 year old high school-level knowledge tells me that charging by induction will by necessity waste more electric energy than a cable would.

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newaccount74 4y ago
you are right. Phones get pretty warm when using wireless charging. On the iPhone X it was so bad that you couldn't use Facetime while on a wireless charger, because the phone would throttle the CPU after 10 minutes or so because the phone got too hot. Not sure if they fixed it on later models, but I guess this is why they are limiting charging power. Glass and stainless steel aren't particularly good heat conductors. Maybe Magsafe support more power because the exact alignment reduces waste heat.

mschuster91 4y ago

Removing the connector entirely has the downside of creating a ton of dead or difficult-to-recover devices in the case there's a bug in the later steps of the boot rom that provide some basic flashing interface - Samsung learned that the hard way recently with their faulty GVI3 update for the Watch 4 series. It bricked the watch so hard it couldn't boot up to WiFi-capable Odin mode any more, and lower-level interfaces on the SoC were not accessible any more because there were no ports. [1] https://www.sammobile.com/news/new-galaxy-watch-4-update-solves-the-bricking-issue-for-some-makes-it-worse-for-others/ https://www.sammobile.com/news/new-galaxy-watch-4-update-sol...