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The author also "absolutely loathed Star Wars: The Last Jedi" which to me feels like an overreaction to a movie.

lostgame 4y ago
Oh; wow, worst example ever. Ten minutes into that movie when Leia somehow comes back to in deep space I was ready to walk out of the theatre. It’s not an ‘overreaction’ to see The Last Jedi as a fundamentally awful film, it’s just the knee-jerk reaction most people I know who have seen it have gotten. Whether you’re a Star Wars fan or not; ‘The Last Jedi’ is just a clear-as-day not-good film. But when you do actually take the time to analyze it and compare it to the original trilogy; it’s borderline unbelievable just how God-awful it really is. I also never understood the idea that they hadn’t just kept the same director for the three films. 7/8/9 feels less like a trilogy than a disjointed mess of films imitating far better films.
kevingadd 4y ago
Sounds like the director's style just doesn't work for them at all.
snickerbockers 4y ago
it's not an overreaction to that movie.
- paulryanrogers 4y ago
  Why?
  - snickerbockers 4y ago
    It was a slap in the face to everyone who loved the original trilogy. Luke went from being the idealistic young man who saw the good in vader and established a new generation of Jedi to being a bitter old man who fucked it all up by trying to murder his nephew because he had a bad dream. It honestly felt like it was made by people who had a legitimate contempt for the franchise. Also had several plot holes, poor fight choreography, and dumb dialogue. Plus the whole tone of it was off, like when the movie seemingly ends on a positive note after the entire resistance is wiped out.
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  - boppo1 4y ago
    iirc it's extremely authoritarian. "Listen to your betters without question, for they know better than you. You do not need to understand their reasoning." We follow our heroes through an adventure and then our expectations are subverted when we learn their insubordinate adventure was bad and we're bad for rooting for them. Sorta flies in the face of everything people liked about star wars before it.
    - dekhn 4y ago
      I mean, the conclusion from the entire series is that the jedi were not a force for good and anakin really did bring about a needed balance in the force.
    - ghaff 4y ago
      >Listen to your betters without question, for they know better than you. The entire Jedi thread throughout all of Star Wars is like that. An over 20-year old essay by David Brin goes into this at length. https://www.davidbrin.com/nonfiction/starwars1.html https://www.davidbrin.com/nonfiction/starwars1.html I didn't love the sequel trilogy--though it was better than the prequels. (Although truth be told, the Phantom Menace and Jar-jar in particular so poisoned the well for the prequels that I think otherwise #2 and #3 would have been looked on more favorably. See also Machete order.)
    - morelisp 4y ago
      The Last Jedi is literally the only movie in the series to propose that a pseudo-religious order of wise men with a side obsession concerning blood lineages may not be the best way to structure a political movement.
      - bryanrasmussen 4y ago
        I propose instead strange women in pools distributing light sabers.
      - snickerbockers 4y ago
        "A side obsession concerning blood lineages"? My dude, they're not even allowed to have families. There are no blood lineages. Also the prequel trilogy made a good case for the ineptitude of the Jedi order, they allow themselves to be manipulated into fighting a war orchestrated by a sith Lord and overlook several red flags coming from anakin.
belval 4y ago
The Last Jedi was completely disjointed from the previous movie, introduced "fuel" as a plot device that hadn't been even mentioned in the 7 previous movies, gave us the Mary Poppins Princess Leia, had a weird and heavy handed side quest in a casino planet that ultimately had no impact on the plot, killed Snoke without giving the audience some form of closure as to who he was, had BB-8 pilot an AT-ST as an ex-machina, had Rose prevent Finn from sacrificing himself, gave Luke depression (which is ok) but handled it as a throwaway joke, and finally had him drink green milk from some alien cow teat. That's just from the top of my head, but I do loath The Last Jedi.
- marcosdumay 4y ago
  > Mary Poppins Princess Leia It's funny that the one single time on the entire series when things loose in deep space behave like if they weren't falling somewhere is the one people keep complaining about. Anyway, the last 3 movies has a really great storyline that was completely destroyed by any other aspect you can pick. So the things people choose to complain are quite arbitrary. But this one is funny.
  - kevinventullo 4y ago
    I don’t know how you can claim they had a great storyline when it is very clear the writers were making it up as they went. Say what you will about the prequels, at least there is a clear story arc connecting events from the first with the third.
- matthewdgreen 4y ago
  It also gave us hyperspace suicide weapons that could destroy any ship, and then declined to explain why this amazing technique was not a tactic we’ve ever seen before or since.
  - bluefirebrand 4y ago
    Especially in a universe where droids can easily pilot ships and in fact one half of the Clone War, which was biggest war we know of in the setting was an entire droid army. The other half was Clones which arguably could have been treated as just as disposable as the droids and also been effective suicide pilots.
code_runner 4y ago
The last Jedi was pretty tough. Magic flying leia, the racing animal subplot that had no impact on the main plot whatsoever. The entire resistance hinging on one guy who is totally stopped so that his girlfriend can give him a kiss. It was a weird fever dream of a movie even for a franchise that brought us a giant space slug gangster and a backwards talking green puppet 7-9 were better than 1-3, but last jedi was undoubtedly the worst of the new trilogy
prepend 4y ago
Seems like an underreaction to me. Loathing seems too good for the Last Jedi. It’s ok to hate it despise art and even pop art.

Oh; wow, worst example ever. Ten minutes into that movie when Leia somehow comes back to in deep space I was ready to walk out of the theatre. It’s not an ‘overreaction’ to see The Last Jedi as a fundamentally awful film, it’s just the knee-jerk reaction most people I know who have seen it have gotten. Whether you’re a Star Wars fan or not; ‘The Last Jedi’ is just a clear-as-day not-good film. But when you do actually take the time to analyze it and compare it to the original trilogy; it’s borderline unbelievable just how God-awful it really is. I also never understood the idea that they hadn’t just kept the same director for the three films. 7/8/9 feels less like a trilogy than a disjointed mess of films imitating far better films.

kevingadd 4y ago

Sounds like the director's style just doesn't work for them at all.

snickerbockers 4y ago

it's not an overreaction to that movie.

paulryanrogers 4y ago
Why?
- snickerbockers 4y ago
  It was a slap in the face to everyone who loved the original trilogy. Luke went from being the idealistic young man who saw the good in vader and established a new generation of Jedi to being a bitter old man who fucked it all up by trying to murder his nephew because he had a bad dream. It honestly felt like it was made by people who had a legitimate contempt for the franchise. Also had several plot holes, poor fight choreography, and dumb dialogue. Plus the whole tone of it was off, like when the movie seemingly ends on a positive note after the entire resistance is wiped out.
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- boppo1 4y ago
  iirc it's extremely authoritarian. "Listen to your betters without question, for they know better than you. You do not need to understand their reasoning." We follow our heroes through an adventure and then our expectations are subverted when we learn their insubordinate adventure was bad and we're bad for rooting for them. Sorta flies in the face of everything people liked about star wars before it.
  - dekhn 4y ago
    I mean, the conclusion from the entire series is that the jedi were not a force for good and anakin really did bring about a needed balance in the force.
  - ghaff 4y ago
    >Listen to your betters without question, for they know better than you. The entire Jedi thread throughout all of Star Wars is like that. An over 20-year old essay by David Brin goes into this at length. https://www.davidbrin.com/nonfiction/starwars1.html https://www.davidbrin.com/nonfiction/starwars1.html I didn't love the sequel trilogy--though it was better than the prequels. (Although truth be told, the Phantom Menace and Jar-jar in particular so poisoned the well for the prequels that I think otherwise #2 and #3 would have been looked on more favorably. See also Machete order.)
  - morelisp 4y ago
    The Last Jedi is literally the only movie in the series to propose that a pseudo-religious order of wise men with a side obsession concerning blood lineages may not be the best way to structure a political movement.
    - bryanrasmussen 4y ago
      I propose instead strange women in pools distributing light sabers.
    - snickerbockers 4y ago
      "A side obsession concerning blood lineages"? My dude, they're not even allowed to have families. There are no blood lineages. Also the prequel trilogy made a good case for the ineptitude of the Jedi order, they allow themselves to be manipulated into fighting a war orchestrated by a sith Lord and overlook several red flags coming from anakin.

belval 4y ago

The Last Jedi was completely disjointed from the previous movie, introduced "fuel" as a plot device that hadn't been even mentioned in the 7 previous movies, gave us the Mary Poppins Princess Leia, had a weird and heavy handed side quest in a casino planet that ultimately had no impact on the plot, killed Snoke without giving the audience some form of closure as to who he was, had BB-8 pilot an AT-ST as an ex-machina, had Rose prevent Finn from sacrificing himself, gave Luke depression (which is ok) but handled it as a throwaway joke, and finally had him drink green milk from some alien cow teat. That's just from the top of my head, but I do loath The Last Jedi.

marcosdumay 4y ago
> Mary Poppins Princess Leia It's funny that the one single time on the entire series when things loose in deep space behave like if they weren't falling somewhere is the one people keep complaining about. Anyway, the last 3 movies has a really great storyline that was completely destroyed by any other aspect you can pick. So the things people choose to complain are quite arbitrary. But this one is funny.
- kevinventullo 4y ago
  I don’t know how you can claim they had a great storyline when it is very clear the writers were making it up as they went. Say what you will about the prequels, at least there is a clear story arc connecting events from the first with the third.
matthewdgreen 4y ago
It also gave us hyperspace suicide weapons that could destroy any ship, and then declined to explain why this amazing technique was not a tactic we’ve ever seen before or since.
- bluefirebrand 4y ago
  Especially in a universe where droids can easily pilot ships and in fact one half of the Clone War, which was biggest war we know of in the setting was an entire droid army. The other half was Clones which arguably could have been treated as just as disposable as the droids and also been effective suicide pilots.

code_runner 4y ago

The last Jedi was pretty tough. Magic flying leia, the racing animal subplot that had no impact on the main plot whatsoever. The entire resistance hinging on one guy who is totally stopped so that his girlfriend can give him a kiss. It was a weird fever dream of a movie even for a franchise that brought us a giant space slug gangster and a backwards talking green puppet 7-9 were better than 1-3, but last jedi was undoubtedly the worst of the new trilogy

prepend 4y ago

Seems like an underreaction to me. Loathing seems too good for the Last Jedi. It’s ok to hate it despise art and even pop art.