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How smug are Californians that those who always disagree with them always “must be Republicans”? They really said people are leaving the state because of “polit
by renlo 4y ago
How smug are Californians that those who always disagree with them always “must be Republicans”? They really said people are leaving the state because of “political reasons” (ie, “they’re Republicans, aka, ‘non-regrettable attrition’”)? Couldn’t be all of the other reasons could it.
I say this as a California native who left for a litany of reasons, last of them being the politics.
- RC_ITR 4y agoWhat are you on about? What is this in response to? Please comment on the article, not your personal biases.
- Supermancho 4y agoThe quotation marks are misleading, as they do not appear in the story or comments.
- foreverCarlos 4y agoThe only people I know personally who left California in the last 2-3 years were pretty apolitical but definitely left-leaning socially. Around a dozen of them. All left due to the cost of living, none were ever "accused" of being republican. To me it sounds like you are mostly regurgitating some toxic Twitter-talk.
- usednet 4y agoI've lived in the Bay Area for my entire life and am considering leaving only because it's not progressive enough. The Bay and most of California is only progressive on inconsequential social issues. Housing? Homelessness? Fucking Houston Texas is more progressive than us. Frankly, I blame the venture capitalists. They have turned what was once a vibrant region I loved into a soulless husk of itself though money. Our local politics have become unbearaable. Anything that would slightly impact a VC donor is immediately shot down.
- tvaughan 4y agoBorn and raised in the Bay Area. I've lived in some nice places in SF, LA, and Seattle. I also spent two years in the Netherlands which was by far the highest quality of life experience I've had precisely because it was more progressive.
- nonethewiser 4y ago> I've lived in the Bay Area for my entire life and am considering leaving only because it's not progressive enough. Where will you go? Wakanda?
- danny_codes 4y agoAnyplace in Europe I suppose. And I think plenty of other US cities. The bay is actually not very progressive. Economically I'd say it's purely neoliberal. We simply refuse to inconvenience the rich to fix things.
- Glawen 4y agoWhat does it mean to be progressive? All the woke movement we see now in Europe has been imported from US. We just copy paste stuff even when it makes no sense because we do not share the same history.
- cuteboy19 4y agoExample; British activists imported all the BLM stuff, including "Defund the Police". Unfortunately, police in Britain are already quite underfunded and don't have a lot of the negative aspects of American police.
- foreverCarlos 4y agoNot to defend this very poorly-named movement, but I think the main idea wasn't about defunding the police but about redirecting some of the funds from the police to other social services. Which again, in the case of the British police makes far less sense.
- archsurface 4y agoIsn't eg Austin full of Californian democrats? Made a mess then ran away?
- archsurface 4y agoSounds like a yes.
- chrisdhoover 4y agoI left because it was becoming intolerable. The politics were driving a lower quality of life for me. I’m not on the red or blue team. The problem is there is no longer political balance. Without a check on power, quality of life which includes costs but not limited to money were getting progressively worse.
- throwntoday 4y ago> I'm not on the red or blue team. Careful, I have said the same and many assumed it meant I'm far right. The extent of my conservative beliefs are wanting very small government, being anti-war, and wanting a balanced budget. I'm pretty egalitarian otherwise but I don't think that's enough to appease those who invest their lives in identity politics.
- gedy 4y ago> I don't think that's enough to appease those who invest their lives in identity politics. This is the weird one for me - I'm not sure how it took over the left to where younger people are confused that my father was a serious leftist/communist before identity/racial politics took over, and since he totally rejected identity politics they assume he was some sort of right-winger, which is bonkers if you knew him.
- bradlys 4y agoYour first problem is thinking there was ever a “left” in the US to begin with. Democrats are a center party - at best. They’re neoliberal at their core. What’s the best way to get people advocating for left oriented reforms? Break them up. How? Identity politics. Get them to fight each other. Congrats - you’ve managed to keep power between two neoliberal parties that agree on most everything. (And everything they don’t agree on - it’s mostly for show because money is the number one thing they’re both most concerned about!)
- matrix12 4y agoWhen $100k electric cars go racing down the HOV lane on 101, you have multiple lanes of stop and go ICE cars. A complete inversion of the efficiencies of each platform.
- fundad 4y agoCalifornia is basically Georgia with 2.5 Atlantas. Of course it can afford to lose Republicans, there are Republicans being born in every corner of the state to replace them. It’s not safely anything, it’s a competitive battle for political control, remember Arnold? (Whispers: this is how it’s supposed to be) Also, Do smart people really think the nation’s richest collection of businesses owners, VCs and executives are a bunch of lefties?
- nonethewiser 4y ago> Also, Do smart people really think the nation’s richest collection of businesses owners, VCs and executives are a bunch of lefties? You mean a portion of the 1% ?
- fundad 4y agoYes, the folks with the most influence.
- dragonwriter 4y ago> It’s not safely anything, it’s a competitive battle for political control, remember Arnold? Arnold was (with Steve Poizner as Insurance Commissioner) one of the last two Republicans to win in California statewide 16 years ago. Its been 25 years since Republicans held a majority in either House of the legislature, in the past 21 years, 17 years have had Democratic trifectas (control of the Governor’s office and both houses of the Legislature). Its been 26 years since the Republicans had control of either house of the legislature. Voter registration in California is 46.77% D, 23.93% R, 6.08 Other Party, 23.23% Independent. It is... not competitive.
- dragonwriter 4y ago(yes, I said approximately same thing twice about legislative control, one of which involves an off-by-one error. limited edit window or I'd fix it.)
- _-____-_ 4y agoWhat do you think caused all those problems that made you leave, if not policies driven by politics?
- vpilcx 4y agoIt's not so much 'people who left California are Republicans" but more, 'people who post on social media about how they're leaving California -are- Republicans".
- kodah 4y agoThe article states > The Public Policy Institute of California reported that between 2015 and 2021, 413,000 adults cited housing as a primary reason they moved out of state; a majority of those leaving were middle- or low-income people. The institute’s state survey found that 64% of adults in California say housing affordability is “a big problem” where they live. The out-migration may be partly attributable to work-from-home policies instituted during the pandemic
- nonethewiser 4y agoSo youre a Californian who left and can't stand being thought of as Republican?
- fortuna86 4y agoThere's plenty of Republicans in California, they just rebrand as Libertarians (same thing) or move to OC.
- renewiltord 4y agoBro, there are more Republicans here than in any other state. For almost half of Californians, someone who disagrees with them must be Democrats.