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So here is one of my current fav. conspiracy theories AND it involves Elon. Remember the first payload of his "Falcon Heavy" rocket - some tesla or other? Had

by harry8 4y ago

So here is one of my current fav. conspiracy theories AND it involves Elon. Remember the first payload of his "Falcon Heavy" rocket - some tesla or other? Had a tailor's dummy in a space suit strapped in the front seat. That was a real person in the suit who had paid for the most effective, reliable and longest lasting cryogenic freeze available. No maintenance power required. Will continue to be frozen even if the earth explodes. Not beholdent to anyone alive to make the right decisions... Elon decided not to just hide it in plain sight but make a spectacle of it with live feeds etc. Probably nonsense but makes a certian amount more logical sense than a dummy in a space suit, huh?

pnpnp 4y ago
It can actually get really hot in space without some kind of active heat transfer. The body in the suit would probably alternate between freezing and frying. Not a great way to preserve a body IMO.
- elkos 4y ago
  Depends on where in space. In LEO... sure. In the orbit of the Tesla Roadster it's mostly warm isn't it?
  - pnpnp 4y ago
    Since it’s never really in the shadow of a planet (heliocentric orbit), it’s probably hotter overall. From the videos I’ve seen, it’s also spinning really slowly. I think you could see off-gassing in some of the videos. I looked into it a little further, and there was speculation it was from the plastics and paint getting extremely hot in direct sunlight. “Space” is roughly the same temperature (a little warmer near stars with particles and free gas), but the direct solar radiation is what is so hot. Since space is an excellent insulator, getting rid of the thermal energy becomes a problem when you’re not shaded. If you want to read some more on this, check out what the JWST has done for thermal management. It’s really cool (no pun intended).
- harry8 4y ago
  Trying to use facts, logic, and this "science" stuff against me is futile as I have a perfectly good conspiracy theory! The silver suit couldn't insulate and keep the heat out?
  - jacquesm 4y ago
    > The silver suit couldn't insulate and keep the heat out? If you so wish to believe... The problem is that there is no air to carry away the heat so that whole setup becomes like a miniature greenhouse. Without some active way to cool it eventually you'd cook.
    - SapporoChris 4y ago
      Heat can transfer via Conduction, Convection and Radiation. The vacuum of space may prevent the first two, but not loss of heat via Radiation. Infrared radiation to be precise. The heat loss is very slow, so yes at times it would be a miniature greenhouse.
reducesuffering 4y ago
> makes a certain amount more logical sense than a dummy in a space suit Have you heard of Occam's Razor?
elkos 4y ago
Or maybe that's the real Elon and that's an imposter?
semicolon_storm 4y ago
Even if you were to stay frozen, the radiation you'd be exposed to in space would shred you at a cellular level way before the technology would come around to bring you back.
LarryMullins 4y ago
It's in heliocentric orbit, it's getting cooked by solar radiation every day, taking the full brunt of solar flares without a magnetosphere to protect it, etc. If there were a body in the suit, it would surely turn into beef jerky. Or perhaps soup, if the suit can keep the fluids in. All the DNA would be shattered beyond repair by intense gamma radiation. > but makes a certian amount more logical sense than a dummy in a space suit, huh? It makes sense as a Heavy Metal reference.
- hotpotamus 4y ago
  One potential limitation of cryogenics is that the radio isotopes in your own body will eventually cause too much damage to your DNA since natural repair processes will be offline as well. Obviously the radiation environment in space is much worse.
  - eftychis 4y ago
    That is a good point.
  - sassy_quat 4y ago
    This absence of evidence is proof of a need for genuine study.
- rl3 4y ago
  >If there were a body in the suit, it would surely turn into beef jerky. This isn't necessarily a problem: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34060818 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34060818 "And even if they could be bothered, the thawed would be a lab experiment, owned by whatever corporation pulled off the magic." That feeling when you wake up from your secret space cryostasis, only to discover you're the living (?) embodiment of meat, now owned by Arby's.
ars 4y ago
Scientifically not so good. Radiation damage will destroy everything in that body if someone actually did that.
dukeofdoom 4y ago
The recent conspiracy I read is that Elon might be making clones of himself. The last post Ye (Kanye) mades was a symbol that had a star of David with a swastika in it. And Elon personally kicked him off twitter immediately. But that's actually a symbol for this cultish religious group. "Raëlism teaches that an extraterrestrial species known as the Elohim created humanity using their advanced technology. It claims that throughout history the Alohim have created 40 Elohim/human hybrids who have served as prophets" You can see the symbol on their wikipedia page. Raëlism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra%C3%ABlism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra%C3%ABlism Remember when they cloned Dolly the sheep ... That was over 20 years ago.
- xwdv 4y ago
  Elohim, God on high.
- JetAlone 4y ago
- the_gipsy 4y ago
  > In 1998, Raël established the Order of Angels, an internal all-female group whose members are largely sequestered from wider society and tasked with training themselves to become the Elohim's consorts.
  - 0xLJK 4y ago
    You can already clone yourself, see my thread here: https://twitter.com/ljk_0x/status/1602146542282067968?s=46&t=6xb3JXCRSEiGcfAxTwXtNQ https://twitter.com/ljk_0x/status/1602146542282067968?s=46&t... Through SCNT it is possible to clone monkeys for 5 years now, I hope Elon clones himself. https://academic.oup.com/nsr/article/5/3/301/4862476?login=false https://academic.oup.com/nsr/article/5/3/301/4862476?login=f...
King-Aaron 4y ago
Wouldn't it boil into soup as soon as the car faced the sun?
yreg 4y ago
Science doesn't hold up, but immediate headcanon.

by harry8 4y ago

pnpnp 4y ago

It can actually get really hot in space without some kind of active heat transfer. The body in the suit would probably alternate between freezing and frying. Not a great way to preserve a body IMO.

elkos 4y ago
Depends on where in space. In LEO... sure. In the orbit of the Tesla Roadster it's mostly warm isn't it?
- pnpnp 4y ago
  Since it’s never really in the shadow of a planet (heliocentric orbit), it’s probably hotter overall. From the videos I’ve seen, it’s also spinning really slowly. I think you could see off-gassing in some of the videos. I looked into it a little further, and there was speculation it was from the plastics and paint getting extremely hot in direct sunlight. “Space” is roughly the same temperature (a little warmer near stars with particles and free gas), but the direct solar radiation is what is so hot. Since space is an excellent insulator, getting rid of the thermal energy becomes a problem when you’re not shaded. If you want to read some more on this, check out what the JWST has done for thermal management. It’s really cool (no pun intended).
harry8 4y ago
Trying to use facts, logic, and this "science" stuff against me is futile as I have a perfectly good conspiracy theory! The silver suit couldn't insulate and keep the heat out?
- jacquesm 4y ago
  > The silver suit couldn't insulate and keep the heat out? If you so wish to believe... The problem is that there is no air to carry away the heat so that whole setup becomes like a miniature greenhouse. Without some active way to cool it eventually you'd cook.
  - SapporoChris 4y ago
    Heat can transfer via Conduction, Convection and Radiation. The vacuum of space may prevent the first two, but not loss of heat via Radiation. Infrared radiation to be precise. The heat loss is very slow, so yes at times it would be a miniature greenhouse.

reducesuffering 4y ago

> makes a certain amount more logical sense than a dummy in a space suit Have you heard of Occam's Razor?

elkos 4y ago

Or maybe that's the real Elon and that's an imposter?

semicolon_storm 4y ago

Even if you were to stay frozen, the radiation you'd be exposed to in space would shred you at a cellular level way before the technology would come around to bring you back.

LarryMullins 4y ago

It's in heliocentric orbit, it's getting cooked by solar radiation every day, taking the full brunt of solar flares without a magnetosphere to protect it, etc. If there were a body in the suit, it would surely turn into beef jerky. Or perhaps soup, if the suit can keep the fluids in. All the DNA would be shattered beyond repair by intense gamma radiation. > but makes a certian amount more logical sense than a dummy in a space suit, huh? It makes sense as a Heavy Metal reference.

hotpotamus 4y ago
One potential limitation of cryogenics is that the radio isotopes in your own body will eventually cause too much damage to your DNA since natural repair processes will be offline as well. Obviously the radiation environment in space is much worse.
- eftychis 4y ago
  That is a good point.
- sassy_quat 4y ago
  This absence of evidence is proof of a need for genuine study.
rl3 4y ago
>If there were a body in the suit, it would surely turn into beef jerky. This isn't necessarily a problem: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34060818 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34060818 "And even if they could be bothered, the thawed would be a lab experiment, owned by whatever corporation pulled off the magic." That feeling when you wake up from your secret space cryostasis, only to discover you're the living (?) embodiment of meat, now owned by Arby's.

ars 4y ago

Scientifically not so good. Radiation damage will destroy everything in that body if someone actually did that.

dukeofdoom 4y ago

The recent conspiracy I read is that Elon might be making clones of himself. The last post Ye (Kanye) mades was a symbol that had a star of David with a swastika in it. And Elon personally kicked him off twitter immediately. But that's actually a symbol for this cultish religious group. "Raëlism teaches that an extraterrestrial species known as the Elohim created humanity using their advanced technology. It claims that throughout history the Alohim have created 40 Elohim/human hybrids who have served as prophets" You can see the symbol on their wikipedia page. Raëlism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra%C3%ABlism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra%C3%ABlism Remember when they cloned Dolly the sheep ... That was over 20 years ago.

xwdv 4y ago
Elohim, God on high.
JetAlone 4y ago
the_gipsy 4y ago
> In 1998, Raël established the Order of Angels, an internal all-female group whose members are largely sequestered from wider society and tasked with training themselves to become the Elohim's consorts.
- 0xLJK 4y ago
  You can already clone yourself, see my thread here: https://twitter.com/ljk_0x/status/1602146542282067968?s=46&t=6xb3JXCRSEiGcfAxTwXtNQ https://twitter.com/ljk_0x/status/1602146542282067968?s=46&t... Through SCNT it is possible to clone monkeys for 5 years now, I hope Elon clones himself. https://academic.oup.com/nsr/article/5/3/301/4862476?login=false https://academic.oup.com/nsr/article/5/3/301/4862476?login=f...

King-Aaron 4y ago

Wouldn't it boil into soup as soon as the car faced the sun?

yreg 4y ago

Science doesn't hold up, but immediate headcanon.