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Agreed. And the fact they are blocking mastodon shows it must be impacting Twitter user numbers.

masklinn 4y ago
Or, just as likely, mastodon users are elon critics and thus hurt his feelings, which is a bannable offense. Thus mastodon cross-posting and reposting is a proxy for bannable offenses, and therefore a bannable offense.
- lrgart 4y ago
  - 0ct4via 4y ago
  - atoav 4y ago
    > If they had merely done what Musk does now If they had merely done what Musk CLAIMS he does. But what he claims is not what he actually does do. That flight tracker he banned is based on publicly available information that everybody can legally access, at the same time he posts someones license plate for weird paranoid reasons. How can he be against doxing when he does it himself with people other than himself? > there is certainly way more speech now than before Speech does not get more free, when there is more of it. Speech replaces other speech. There are certain things you can say on a anonymous image board you cannot say anywhere else. But there are also certain discourse you can have in other places that would not be possible elsewhere.
  - bboygravity 4y ago
    > While Musk can no longer claim to be a free speech absolutist, What are the arguments for this?? Is it because he's blocking live trackers (from Mastodon or otherwise) for his airplane while he's an active target for political assasination or is there like.. an actual good reason/example for this statement?
    - richbell 4y ago
      > for his airplane while he's an active target for political assasination Are you talking about the alleged incident that demonstrably had no connection to his jet tracker, and was so scary he didn't file a police report? > an actual good reason/example for this statement? How about him banning journalists for merely reporting the news and falsely claiming they doxed his address? Or him acting like a big baby and blocking anyone who doesn't stroke his ego?
    - _djo_ 4y ago
      Every other notable person who is genuinely at risk of political assassination implements actually useful methods to prevent it, such as using good opsec, having a solid security team, not flying on the same three private jets everywhere, not travelling in rare and easily identifiable vehicles like prototype Cybertrucks, and not revealing their own location through tweets. There are companies that specialise in helping with all of this as a service, including booking charters, hotels, and other tickets through difficult-to-trace intermediaries. They also work closely with law enforcement. Musk has not been carrying out any of the practices of someone worried about assassination, and the idea that @ElonJet did anything to increase the risk of him or his family being attacked is ludicrous. The account wasn't even active at the time of the alleged attack on his child. The extent to which people will defend the baseless claims of Musk just because of who he is blows my mind.
    - sandworm101 4y ago
      He can simple hire/fly in someone else's plane. This isnt a tracker on him. It is a tracker on his own vanity.
      - clort 4y ago
        Presumably for a whole lot less than he paid for Twitter, he could have purchased 100 jets and flown them around the country continually for years, hopping on and off as he chose and nobody would have any idea where he was. He is still, afaik, 'worth' 100s of billions of dollars even though his wealth has plummeted.
- artgq 4y ago
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
weinzierl 4y ago
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you but when they start fighting you, you know you've won.
- sandworm101 4y ago
  It has to first get a little more extreem. They have to not just fight but start killing. Look at Napster. Napster was attacked and eventually died. But napster also won. CD sales are dead and we all download/stream music online. Mastadon will soon be attacked directly. It will also probably die as napster: a first cassualty of a revolution. What matters are the long-term changes that survive.
  - cmatthias 4y ago
    Mastodon will not die in the same way Napster did; it’s decentralized and there’s no way it can be completely shut down since anyone can run an instance.
    - sandworm101 4y ago
      There are ways. Placing regulatory burdens or legal liabilities on anyone running a social media instance would quickly make Mastadon untenable. Something as simple as manditory age verification might be enough.
      - mcv 4y ago
        The instances can move to jurisdictions where the regulatory burdens and legal liabilities are slightly different.
      - rdpintqogeogsaa 4y ago
        GDPR exists right now, actually, and most instances are far from in compliance.
        ndsipa_pomu 4y ago
rapnie 4y ago
Mastodon wouldn't have become so popular if it weren't for all these Elon actions. Elon is single-handedly leading a massive 'Streisand Marketing' campaign to sublime perfection.
- vidarh 4y ago
  The graphs are quite remarkable. Signups are nowhere near the peak but still 10x+ as high as before, and peaking everytime Musk does something new.
- johnaspden 4y ago
  It's true, I have no idea what Mastodon is, but if some bastard's trying to stop me finding out about it, I am going to go and find out about it right now!
  - f38zf5vdt 4y ago
    I am pretty amazed by how good mastodon actually is. It's like Twitter without the noise. The website defaults to chronological order and very few people assault others with crazy radical comments, because there are no rage-promoting attention-grabbing algorithms in place.

Or, just as likely, mastodon users are elon critics and thus hurt his feelings, which is a bannable offense. Thus mastodon cross-posting and reposting is a proxy for bannable offenses, and therefore a bannable offense.

lrgart 4y ago
- 0ct4via 4y ago
- atoav 4y ago
  > If they had merely done what Musk does now If they had merely done what Musk CLAIMS he does. But what he claims is not what he actually does do. That flight tracker he banned is based on publicly available information that everybody can legally access, at the same time he posts someones license plate for weird paranoid reasons. How can he be against doxing when he does it himself with people other than himself? > there is certainly way more speech now than before Speech does not get more free, when there is more of it. Speech replaces other speech. There are certain things you can say on a anonymous image board you cannot say anywhere else. But there are also certain discourse you can have in other places that would not be possible elsewhere.
- bboygravity 4y ago
  > While Musk can no longer claim to be a free speech absolutist, What are the arguments for this?? Is it because he's blocking live trackers (from Mastodon or otherwise) for his airplane while he's an active target for political assasination or is there like.. an actual good reason/example for this statement?
  - richbell 4y ago
    > for his airplane while he's an active target for political assasination Are you talking about the alleged incident that demonstrably had no connection to his jet tracker, and was so scary he didn't file a police report? > an actual good reason/example for this statement? How about him banning journalists for merely reporting the news and falsely claiming they doxed his address? Or him acting like a big baby and blocking anyone who doesn't stroke his ego?
  - _djo_ 4y ago
    Every other notable person who is genuinely at risk of political assassination implements actually useful methods to prevent it, such as using good opsec, having a solid security team, not flying on the same three private jets everywhere, not travelling in rare and easily identifiable vehicles like prototype Cybertrucks, and not revealing their own location through tweets. There are companies that specialise in helping with all of this as a service, including booking charters, hotels, and other tickets through difficult-to-trace intermediaries. They also work closely with law enforcement. Musk has not been carrying out any of the practices of someone worried about assassination, and the idea that @ElonJet did anything to increase the risk of him or his family being attacked is ludicrous. The account wasn't even active at the time of the alleged attack on his child. The extent to which people will defend the baseless claims of Musk just because of who he is blows my mind.
  - sandworm101 4y ago
    He can simple hire/fly in someone else's plane. This isnt a tracker on him. It is a tracker on his own vanity.
    - clort 4y ago
      Presumably for a whole lot less than he paid for Twitter, he could have purchased 100 jets and flown them around the country continually for years, hopping on and off as he chose and nobody would have any idea where he was. He is still, afaik, 'worth' 100s of billions of dollars even though his wealth has plummeted.
artgq 4y ago
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]

weinzierl 4y ago

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you but when they start fighting you, you know you've won.

sandworm101 4y ago
It has to first get a little more extreem. They have to not just fight but start killing. Look at Napster. Napster was attacked and eventually died. But napster also won. CD sales are dead and we all download/stream music online. Mastadon will soon be attacked directly. It will also probably die as napster: a first cassualty of a revolution. What matters are the long-term changes that survive.
- cmatthias 4y ago
  Mastodon will not die in the same way Napster did; it’s decentralized and there’s no way it can be completely shut down since anyone can run an instance.
  - sandworm101 4y ago
    There are ways. Placing regulatory burdens or legal liabilities on anyone running a social media instance would quickly make Mastadon untenable. Something as simple as manditory age verification might be enough.
    - mcv 4y ago
      The instances can move to jurisdictions where the regulatory burdens and legal liabilities are slightly different.
    - rdpintqogeogsaa 4y ago
      GDPR exists right now, actually, and most instances are far from in compliance.
      - ndsipa_pomu 4y ago

rapnie 4y ago

Mastodon wouldn't have become so popular if it weren't for all these Elon actions. Elon is single-handedly leading a massive 'Streisand Marketing' campaign to sublime perfection.

vidarh 4y ago
The graphs are quite remarkable. Signups are nowhere near the peak but still 10x+ as high as before, and peaking everytime Musk does something new.
johnaspden 4y ago
It's true, I have no idea what Mastodon is, but if some bastard's trying to stop me finding out about it, I am going to go and find out about it right now!
- f38zf5vdt 4y ago
  I am pretty amazed by how good mastodon actually is. It's like Twitter without the noise. The website defaults to chronological order and very few people assault others with crazy radical comments, because there are no rage-promoting attention-grabbing algorithms in place.