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Difficult not to see this as anything other petulance. It's Musk's site and he's free to do whatever he wants with it, but this seems squarely against "any lega
by hackcasual 4y ago
Difficult not to see this as anything other petulance. It's Musk's site and he's free to do whatever he wants with it, but this seems squarely against "any legal speech will be allowed"
- the_optimist 4y ago
- Eisenstein 4y agoQuick question: Is it wrong for you to kick puppies for fun? Do you get pleasure out of it? (I can asked loaded questions too.)
- the_optimist 4y agoI do not believe this is a successful response for your intent, but it is for my intent.
- richbell 4y ago> Quick question: Is it legal to repeatedly follow a person for the purpose of harassing the person with implied threats of violence? An airplane is not a person.
- neodymiumphish 4y agoNot at all a fan of his actions on this, and I don't think publishing public information in the way elonjet did should be banned from any platform. BUT, it's a very bad faith argument to not correlate a mobile conveyance, like a private jet or personal car, to the individual who actively uses it the vast major of the time. It wouldn't be called "ElonJet" if it wasn't meant to track Elon, and it's highly unlikely ElonJet would continue to track that specific tail number if Elon traded it for another jet or sold it.
- mvhvv 4y agoI think the distinction between tracking a private jet and tracking a private car is fairly clear cut. The point isn't to actually show where Musk is at any one point (who cares?), but I think the intent of the account is to show the intense disconnect between him and normal (non-private-jet-owning folks). Unless I'm misremembering, the ElonJet account listed the cost and the amount of fuel consumed for every flight right? His willingness to burn 10 tonnes of jet fuel on a whim definitely doesn't mesh well with his brand as "The EV-guy".
- nilespotter 4y agoIf they don't share the conformist, leftist authoritarian views of the HN crowd, then it is legal to do anything to them and they're probably transphobic.
- dang 4y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26148870 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26148870
- SpicyLemonZest 4y agoIn most American jurisdictions, yes, that's legal. The California stalking statute for example (Penal Code 646.9(a)) only applies if the person who's following you intends to make you afraid for yourself or your family. This why stalking victims so often struggle to do anything about it.
- rodgerd 4y agoIs that why Musk supports LibsofTikTok, who are responsible for terrorist attacks?
- vehemenz 4y agoWhy not weakness or incompetence? The guy is clearly out of his depth here.
- dmix 4y agoI defended Elon many times on HN but this is straight up incompetence. Even if they violated some silly location sharing rule they invented yesterday, there's no good excuse. The saddest thing is this only adds fuel to the pro-censorship crowd.
- ModernMech 4y agoHave you realized yet that Musk has been in the pro-censorship crowd all along, even when you were defending him on HN?
- andrewflnr 4y agoNot that this is a good defense, but I think "genuinely scared for his or his child's safety" is a real possibility. Especially if he (rightly or wrongly, no comment there) thinks someone threatened his child... well, protecting your children is one of the more powerful instincts humans have, one of the handful powerful enough to outweigh an ego like Elon's. Plus he has to be at least a little frazzled by Twitter having no credible plan for being financially solvent after scaring off all the advertisers, so I'm guessing he's not doing cold, rational threat assessments of anything. Maybe that interaction of fear and irrationality does start overlapping with petulance too, I don't know. I think people should take into account that something deep inside Elon knows he's in deep shit, and is probably contributing to him taking rash actions and generally lashing out. He was never a wise man, but I still suspect we're seeing him at a low ebb of rationality. Again, no sort of defense: this is a problem entirely of his own making.
- GoodJokes 4y ago
- jeremyjh 4y agoIt seems more likely the story about his kid is just another lie to try win the moment. The LAPD statement is careful not to state that no crime has been reported or under investigation, but to leave that interpretation open. They are “aware of the tweet.”
- andrewflnr 4y agoDefinitely a solid possibility. Also a possibility he's just drinking his own koolaid, fully "believing" whatever is convenient. But honestly, the dude has probably been getting death threats for years already, in which case he already had reasons to be a little afraid. It's easy for me to imagine that fear cropping up here as being just one of the more prominent ways he's coming unglued under stress.
- ceejayoz 4y agoWouldn't be the first time, either. https://in.mashable.com/culture/42675/internet-slams-elon-musk-for-lying-about-his-childs-death-ex-wife-justine-drops-truth-bombs https://in.mashable.com/culture/42675/internet-slams-elon-mu... > Musk tweeted, "My firstborn child died in my arms. I felt his last heartbeat. I have no mercy for anyone who would use the deaths of children for gain, politics or fame." > Soon, Elon's ex-wife Justine Musk revealed the real story and stated that it wasn't the techie but she was holding the child. She wrote, "A SIDS-related incident that put him on life support. He was declared brain-dead. And not that it matters to anyone except me, because it is one of the most sacred and defining moments of my life, but I was the one who was holding him." If Musk wants to turn over a new leaf and decide free speech is secondary to protecting children, he should consider banning the accounts that have whipped up bomb threats against childrens' hospitals of late.
- throwaway0x7E6 4y agoit is however perfectly in line with "private companies can do whatever they want"
- maxk42 4y agoWell in many cases doxing is considered illegal: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/119 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/119 There are many shades of gray, of course.
- frakkingcylons 4y agoI don't think there's legal consensus that posting the locations where an aircraft travels constitutes doxing in the usual sense of the word.
- tshaddox 4y agoPosting a link to a web page that publishes the public tracking information without even mentioning any person’s name almost certainly does not constitute doxing.
- rhcom2 4y agoThat's applicable in a pretty small amount of cases.
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- runlevel1 4y agoThat seems pretty narrowly scoped to protecting witnesses, jurors, informants, public servants, and their immediate family members. The personal information it covers is also limited to SSN, home address, phone numbers, and personal email.
- colechristensen 4y agoI have a feeling plenty of his investors are going to start taking issue and legal action with regard to him “doing whatever he wants”.
- memish 4y agoHopefully it's 5D Chess, playing the long game. "A warm welcome to all the newest converts to the great American cause of free speech!" @pmarca
- fdschoeneman 4y agoDid you watch the same video I did? It's easy to see this as something other than petulance. It's not complicated. Elon is scared for his family. That's a very human thing. In his place I'd do everything I could to protect them. The elonjet account was a security risk to a public figure in the same way that publishing the home address of Supreme Court Justices is a legitimate security risk -- and in the same way that it led to an attempted assassination of Judge Kavanaugh.
- cwkoss 4y agoA lot of people think he is lying about being scared for his family to justify unprincipled actions that satisfy his megalomania.