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Twitter Suspends @Joinmastodon
- quantified 4y agoEven cable TV providers allow ads for DirecTV, etc.
- simonsarris 4y agoTwitter is still running ads for TikTok, funny enough
- quantified 4y agoBoy do they need the ad revenue.
- calibas 4y agoIsn't that because they're legally required to?
- grandmczeb 4y agoCable isn’t considered a common carrier service, what law requires them to carry commercials for competitors?
- favorited 4y agoCable TV doesn't sell ad time, the networks they carry do. And you won't see ads for NBC sitcoms while watching CBS.
- ipaddr 4y agoCable tv providers pay for content from networks/channels who themselves put ads. Cable TV providers could only block ads by not buying channels with ads.
- Kye 4y agoPossibly in response to their tweet about the @elonjet account on Mastodon. Banning someone for talking about or linking to something that would break rules if it were on Twitter seems contrary to the variant of free speech Elon Musk claimed to support pre-Twitter purchase.
- minimaxir 4y agoThis rationale is so silly that I agree it's the likely answer.
- someNameIG 4y agoI think elonjet also has a sub on reddit. Will reddit links be banned from twitter soon? Any website that mentions elonjet? lol
- syrrim 4y agoThe tweet linked to the account on mastodon, it didn't simply link to a mastodon instance which happened to host elonjet's account. Presumably direct links to the subreddit would be banned, whereas reddit as a whole would be fine.
- standardUser 4y agoTwitter faces no real threat from Mastodon until they streamline their sign up process and mask the "decentralized server" nonsense. I understand that the people here don't see it as nonsense, but the millions of less tech savvy users needed to make it a true Twitter alternative do see it that way and it will prevent Mastodon from ever being more than a niche service. It's a baffling process to the everyday user who has signed up for dozens of different services over the years with a simple email and password (if not single sign on).
- mghk 4y ago
- someNameIG 4y agoYou can run your own server if you want to, or join one that has the same level of moderation as you'd like. As for defederation that's just freedom of association
- Sithwuth 4y agoI'm not sure I would describe them as "barely-working". Have you used any of them lately? They work very well in my experience. The improvement I think is you can jump to a different instance, and being all your followers and following with you. Whereas if you're the subject of an arbitrary decision by the Twitter overlord, all you can really do is post about it online and try to stir up enough bad PR for the company that they reverse their decision.
- Sithwuth 4y agoCurious as to how many people manage to sign up for email addresses across a variety of providers despite all that decentralised server nonsense.
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- pimlottc 4y ago
- minimaxir 4y agoBanning ElonJet was already a cheat, so I'm extremely curious how this is one is justified.
- dmatech 4y agoIt linked directly to ElonJet's account there and invited people to join and follow this account. That's probably what did it. https://web.archive.org/web/20221215174053/https://twitter.com/joinmastodon/status/1603415403853651973 https://web.archive.org/web/20221215174053/https://twitter.c...
- sodality2 4y agoWow - that reply is prophetic. > Uh oh — ban in 3... 2... :grimace:
- tedunangst 4y agoCan I post a tweet linking to a news article that links to their mastodon account?
- tedunangst 4y agoSeems like the answer is no, that's a suspension. https://mobile.twitter.com/TexasObserver/status/1603549051286437889 https://mobile.twitter.com/TexasObserver/status/160354905128...
- yellowapple 4y agoSo how many layers deep does the ban-hammer strike? The Seven-Degrees-of-Kevin-Bacon-esque game being played here seems like it'll only end with Twitter having zero users.
- gala8y 4y agoFunny, isn't it? Please excuse my non-essential comment, but this shit-show is so funny. Watching it from the sidelines makes me think of some systemic cures for all of that, which I find none. Elon lost it completely. Psychological factors regarding single human start to play crucial role when we talk about overpower. TBD. You know, like simple, human energy of fear (scared of loosing power) makes a dictator to slash 8M people (examples abound) or childlike nature of Elon makes him go funny with Twitter.
- badwolf 4y agojust petty.
- taolegal 4y ago
- mrlonglong 4y agoHe's nothing but a petty tyrant. History teaches us what happens to tyrants.
- kupopuffs 4y agothey die. just like everyone else
- the_only_law 4y ago> History teaches us what happens to tyrants. Seems like a pretty mixed message tbh.
- Sithwuth 4y agoIf you're thinking of trying Mastodon, I would recommend joining an interest-specific or locality-specific server rather than one of the general purpose servers, because the local community is likely to be stronger and more engaged. You can always jump ship later if you find it's not your thing Some examples: - https://fosstodon.org https://fosstodon.org for FOSS - https://infosec.exchange https://infosec.exchange for infosec - https://sfba.social https://sfba.social for the bay area There's a map of locality-specific instances here: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/mastodon-near-me_828094 https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/mastodon-near-me_828094
- minimaxir 4y agohttps://sigmoid.social/ https://sigmoid.social/ for AI/machine learning.
- MonkeyMalarky 4y agoIt was cool seeing https://mathstodon.xyz/ https://mathstodon.xyz/ on the HN front page recently. I really like the idea of different organizations running their own instances. You don't need an overbearing, exhaustive and centralized system of verification for journalists when something like WAPO or NY Times can run an instance for their employees, much like how email works. Edit: A lot of journalists just learned about the value of owning their distribution platform now too lol
- jghn 4y agoThis assumes one cares about the local community aspect of Mastodon. Granted many people do in which case your advice is spot on. But if you're just looking for a pure Twitter replacement, it doesn't matter. In fact you might be better off on one of the big players as they're probably less likely to be fly-by-night.
- standardUser 4y agoIt would be nice if new users were simply assigned a big, generic server (like in many MMOs) and then later had the option to seek out and find a niche server. The vast, vast majority of new users wouldn't know or care either way.
- djaouen 4y agoAnyone who supports Elon’s takeover at this point is basically a shill who has sold out to the man
- soupbowl 4y agoStrange comment. I myself dont care for twitter, the Elon/twitter hate recently has been entertaining.
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- hoppoy 4y agoMy main problem with Mastodon is it's such a tiresome monoculture of opinion. So many people with the pretty much the same politics, biases, grievances as everyone else. Any server that dissents too much from this gets a fediverse block. The whole thing is just so tedious. I don't know about the rest of you, but I enjoy reading opinions from people I have nothing in common with in terms of world view, and whom I vehemently disagree with. On Twitter, you get that easily. On Mastodon, meh. Same old shit repeated everywhere. Boring and sanctimonious.
- davidgerard 4y agoI'm sure there's somewhere in the Pleroma parts you'll fit in better.
- Fordec 4y agoHe says on HN.
- chadlavi 4y ago
- hoppoy 4y agoSame problem but in an approximately opposite ideological direction.
- tdeck 4y agoI'm not saying it's easy but you could probably run your own instance and subscribe to multiple different servers that have the diversity you're looking for.
- hoppoy 4y agoThat's interesting, is it possible to subscribe to servers secretly so other servers don't know you've done so? Otherwise, I imagine my own hypothetical instance would get swiftly blocked.
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- krapp 4y ago...yes? That's exactly what's happening. And no one is claiming the government needs to repeal or change any laws and force Elon to do anything, either. They're just leaving.
- wellbehaved 4y ago"no one": https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2022-04-28/elon-musk-twitter-accountability-racism-monopoly-regulation https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2022-04-28/elon-musk-t...
- krapp 4y agoCan't read it. But I'm assuming it isn't arguing that the government needs to nationalize all social media platforms, repeal Section 230 protections and make content moderation illegal, like half of Hacker News was until Elon took over Twitter, when suddenly they became stalwart supporters of free enterprise.
- wellbehaved 4y ago[flagged]
- krapp 4y agoIf you've got nothing more substantive to offer than a personal attack and some weird imaginary tangent then I think we're done here.
- wellbehaved 4y agoMy, if you had kept up this well before then we may well still have had something to talk about. Alas.
- lapcat 4y agoMultiple journalists have now been suspended from Twitter: Drew Harwell, Aaron Rupar, Ryan Mac, and Donie O'Sullivan. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34007811 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34007811 This is getting crazy!
- Chinjut 4y agoAlso Matt Binder (@MattBinder; see https://twitter.com/adamjraabe/status/1603554054134812676 https://twitter.com/adamjraabe/status/1603554054134812676).
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- lapcat 4y agoThe Intercept's @micahflee https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1603558021120118784 https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/16035580211201187... Keith Olbermann, and others https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34008305 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34008305 Hard to see how the remaining advertisers don't flee Twitter after tonight's slaughter.
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- dredmorbius 4y agoI was just going to note Micah F. Lee. He's confirmed from Mastodon: <https://infosec.exchange/@micahflee/109520663450858280 https://infosec.exchange/@micahflee/109520663450858280>
- pifm_guy 4y agoAdvertisers don't care if some users are banned or if the platform is 'unfair'. Advertisers care if their advert shows up to something illegal or bad for the brand.
- clouddrover 4y agoThe Twitter accounts of journalists are also being suspended, presumably because they dared to talk about ElonJet: https://twitter.com/drewharwell https://twitter.com/drewharwell https://twitter.com/RMac18 https://twitter.com/RMac18 https://twitter.com/donie https://twitter.com/donie This journalist has not been suspended yet: https://twitter.com/oliverdarcy https://twitter.com/oliverdarcy This is not a good look for Twitter or for Musk.
- spoils19 4y ago[flagged]
- clouddrover 4y agoSo.. free speech works best when everyone you don't agree with is silenced? Here's what Musk said in April (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1518623997054918657 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1518623997054918657): "I hope that even my worst critics remain on Twitter, because that is what free speech means" I think you all need to make up your minds.
- kupopuffs 4y agoit's not everyone https://mobile.twitter.com/JoshuaPHilll/status/1597614237093953536 https://mobile.twitter.com/JoshuaPHilll/status/1597614237093...
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- bogomipz 4y agoThe cartoon image would be of Elon scrolling through Twitter and spite-banning and spite-unbanning accounts in real time and according to his whim. This cartoon image is also the one that feels increasingly more likely to be true.
- micahflee 4y agoI was suspended for posting this https://infosec.exchange/@micahflee/109520648205436407 https://infosec.exchange/@micahflee/109520648205436407
- lapcat 4y agoHey Micah! Could you post a screenshot of the suspension notice you got from Twitter? Does it say which "rule" was allegedly broken?
- Blue111 4y agoThe message from the image: Twitter just banned Mastodon's official Twitter account @joinmastodon with 174,000 followers, probably because it tweeted a link to @ElonJet's Mastodon account. Twitter is now censoring posting the link, but the user is @elonjet@maston.social
- frankacter 4y agohttps://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603181423787380737 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603181423787380737 "Any account doxxing real-time location info of anyone will be suspended, as it is a physical safety violation. This includes posting links to sites with real-time location info." While you did not embed the link itself, that nuance is a distinction without a difference as the intent was still to share the location to a site with real-time location information, which as stated, will result in suspension/ban.
- the_optimist 4y agoWe figured out that we’re not allowed to encourage stalking, but if we call it “press coverage” of stalking then we can pretend it’s not stalking. The analogy doesn’t hold anywhere, child porn, drug sales, anything. This is a honeypot for the very lowest-performing flies. The traditional press may be gleefully rubbing its tiny legs together but the logic doesn’t survive first-order scrutiny.
- britch 4y agoWhat does this have to do with Mastodon?
- the_optimist 4y agoIf you post stalking on mastodon on twitter, apparently you get banned. Not all that complicated. I am sure you can share child porn on mastodon too, doesn’t have much to do with Twitter either as far as anyone can tell.
- dorkwood 4y agoAre we certain this wasn't caught up in the recent purge of bot accounts? I expect Musk will probably reinstate this account soon.
- Technetium 4y agoYou also cannot post any links to ANY Mastodon instance, any that are already up have a huge danger warning.
- abambresm 4y agothe sky is blue...