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Elon posted some info[0] that gives it some context: "Last night, car carrying lil X in LA was followed by crazy stalker (thinking it was me), who later blocke
by hakanderyal 4y ago
Elon posted some info[0] that gives it some context:
"Last night, car carrying lil X in LA was followed by crazy stalker (thinking it was me), who later blocked car from moving & climbed onto hood.
Legal action is being taken against Sweeney & organizations who supported harm to my family."
Make that what you will.
[0]: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944
- wesleywt 4y agoBut generating hate against the Jews and Trans people is okay. Those tweets stay up.
- polygamous_bat 4y agoThe egos of malignant narcissists are the fragile, precious flowers that we should strive to protect for a better tomorrow /s
- villgax 4y agoLol how does it make sense to connect the public data plane tracker with someone following a car
- trident5000 4y agoYou get into a car after a plane
- TheLoafOfBread 4y agoI am usually getting on a bus or train.
- trident5000 4y agoYeah, Elon and his family are going to take the Greyhound.
- someweirdperson 4y agoIf he wanted to, he would buy it first. The company, obviously, not a single bus.
- jiveturkey 4y agoIt seemed simpler
- ops 4y agoIt's easy if the plane is flying into a small airport with very little traffic (like SMO)
- _djo_ 4y agoIn that case you can just camp outside it and wait for his plane to land, which a determined stalker would do.
- filoleg 4y agoThat's pretty much what happened[0] (given the PIA situation with changing plane numbers mentioned elsewhere in the thread), with the only difference that the person camping out and watching out for the plane didn't do the stalking of the car ride afterwards themselves. They just reported the data on the flight landing, it got publicly updated on the tracker, and then another person (who actually approached the car later, according to Elon's claim) stalked them using the info posted on the tracker. [0]. Assuming the allegations about it happening are true.
- _djo_ 4y agoNope. As previously stated many times in this and the other discussions, the aircraft is not part of PIA and the accurate hex code is reported on the FAA site. ElonJet didn’t tweet anything on the day this incident occurred, so that part is false too.
- filoleg 4y agoSure, I am not claiming that this is what happened. My explanation of how it could easily work relies on the assumption that the aircraft was a part of PIA and that the events described actually happened. If his aircraft wasnt a part of PIA and the event never actually happened, it obviously all goes out of the window.
- mlindner 4y agoThe link is weak but because you can track the plane you can wait at the private airport terminal and wait for the guy to walk out the door. There's very few people that go in and out of those terminals so it's easy to just wait for the person in question. Once they're out you can then follow and tail their car.
- anigbrowl 4y agoThere's very few people that go in and out of those terminals In Los Angeles there are hundreds of private flights per day, and wealthy people pay for hangar space. It may well be possible to stalk someone this way, but I don't think it's such a foregone conclusion. It's also conceivable that a very wealthy person with a flair for hype and dramatic gestures would stage an event as a demonstration or object lesson; we know of celebrities who have done just that is a misguided attempt to solicit public sympathy. I am not suggesting this has happened; it's just one of numerous possibilities, and I point it out to point out that it's no more irrational than other plausible allegations.
- salawat 4y agoAnd? Literally everyone else runs this same risk who uses an airline. Maybe if home boy doesn't want to get tracked, he should stop using a means of locomotion where every flight plan is a matter of public record. Zero sympathy here. I'm actually more upset that there appears to be a "hush hush, pay to anonymize" program, and that it isn't rolled out as a default. Billionaires do not deserve exclusions from the baseline risk profiles everyone else endures.
- stefan_ 4y agoYes except for the part where it's a car not a plane and some random LA road not an airport. Except for these things it's a perfect match, grateful for this context. Although this "Elon Musk realizes he is not alone on planet" arc is quite interesting.
- deleted 4y ago[deleted]
- postmeta 4y agomaybe they followed the car from the airport?
- meepmorp 4y agomaybe they recognized him at an intersection and followed him?
- ceejayoz 4y agoEven if they found him by tracking the plane, a stalker could do that on ADSBexchange... or with a $15 piece of electronics. He had a hard-on for the @elonjets account well before this alleged incident.
- fundad 4y agoOne single car leaves the entire airport? Stalker must have paid someone for the plate number.
- ops 4y agoDepends on which airport you're talking about. Difficult for LAX, but very, very easy for SMO (and since we're talking about a private jet, it was probably SMO and not LAX).
- neuronexmachina 4y ago
- SXX 4y agoAre cars reporting real-time location to some online services? Good that cars dont do it unlike private jets! That would be terrible for privacy... /s
- zerohp 4y agoYeah what kind of car maker would pioneer something like that?
- earleybird 4y agoYou must be thinking of OnStar :-)
- deleted 4y ago[deleted]
- zerohp 4y agoTesla's implementation is materially different in that it's not optional and cannot be trivially disabled. Early Onstar vehicles are trivial to disable and later ones can still be disabled by removing the radio transceiver. The vehicle operates normally without it, unlike a Tesla.
- ProAm 4y agoThey didn't crawl onto the hood of lil X's plane. Big difference.
- anigbrowl 4y agoI find it odd that his son would be traveling in a car with no dashcam and the only video from the whole incident is some guy sitting in the driver's seat of another car looking very relaxed. Also that there's no mention so far of any police involvement, as I'm fairly sure the LAPD would take a violent incident report by professional bodyguards as something worth looking into.
- evan_ 4y agoDo teslas have dashcam functionality? If they don’t I bet they will soon.
- anigbrowl 4y agoI don't know if it was even a Tesla car, but if it was they're sorta famous for having cameras out the yin-yang, I've seen lots of 'vandals caught by Tesla security cameras' puff pieces.
- filoleg 4y agoThey added them in a software update at some point in 2019. It gets recorded to a usb drive that you keep attached. Any drive works, I personally prefer an external ssd. When you press the record button, it dumps the past 10 mins of video from 4 external cameras onto the drive. When the car is fully stopped, you can either watch the video on the screen inside the car or unplug the drive and watch it on your laptop or on any other device that can read from usb/external drives. There is also an automatic (aka sentry) mode that triggers dumping a video by any nearby action, but that's only when the car is parked and left unattended.
- plandis 4y agoLegal action being taken against the person who pulled public flight information and published already public information? The sad part is I’m sure Elon can bury this guy in fees even if the lawsuit is ultimately ruled as entirely without merit.
- trident5000 4y agoYour home location is also public info. Publishing it on twitter is still doxxing and always has been.
- joshuamorton 4y ago"Doxxing" isn't illegal and never has been.
- jacquesm 4y agoThat is location dependent. NL, Spain and China (and possibly others) have anti-doxxing laws. That said: tracking a plane is not doxxing.
- koolba 4y agoJust because information is publicly available doesn’t mean it’s not doxxing. It’s the act itself. Otherwise every accusation of doxxing could be denied with a single level of indirection.
- Jarwain 4y agoExactly. Just because information is publicly available, doesn't mean it's easy to find or access. Doxxing makes it easy to access and reference, and bridges the gap between a pseudonyms and real identity
- jacquesm 4y agoThe bar for doxxing is that the information is either private or difficult to obtain and pertains to a person. That bar is not met here.
- andirk 4y agoHe should ban twitter because there's public information on it. And I think Lil Nas X can handle his own.
- bitewhite 4y agoI believe “lil X” is referring to his son, X.
- andirk 4y agoHis son is named X?? Isn't that the name of his first company that he abandoned? X.com . Man this story's boring. I hope Lil Nas X's jet is ok.
- ProjectArcturis 4y agoYup, the dude who's making fun of neo-pronouns is the one who named his kid X Æ A-Xii Musk.
- andrewflnr 4y agoI've always assumed that was more Grimes's idea, FWIW.
- dekhn 4y agoNo. It was elon's idea and when grimes announced it, he corrected her on the details.
- djur 4y agoHe posted a claim. "Info" implies that we should believe it to be true.
- Blue111 4y agoWe need more license plate trackers... or maybe we can track his tire's TPMS....
- wnevets 4y agoThat happened.
- DiNovi 4y agowhat does a limo have to do with a planes flight plan?? color me skeptical this is the actual story. he’s been very annoyed by that account for years
- karmicthreat 4y agoCould be true, could be a convenient lie. It's not like Elon is above the trust thermocline anymore.
- ModernMech 4y agoSpecifically, he’s not above using his family as a prop for sympathy points: https://mobile.twitter.com/justinemusk/status/1595506087570333696?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1595506087570333696%7Ctwgr%5E4656070887813d759758bdedb1ae83834863c988%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-40316840653611301288.ampproject.net%2F2211302304001%2Fframe.html https://mobile.twitter.com/justinemusk/status/15955060875703...
- rideontime 4y agoFor disbelievers, this isn't the first time she's said this. https://www.marieclaire.com/sex-love/a5380/millionaire-starter-wife/ https://www.marieclaire.com/sex-love/a5380/millionaire-start...
- Jeffwoo 4y ago"Jack Sweeney said the last time his bot tweeted anything was Dec. 12 "which is not last night, so I don’t get how that’s connected.”" So not sure how Musk thinks it's related.
- jacquesm 4y agoThat lie didn't last long.
- yborg 4y agoWas there a police report? This sounds like something you would want to get law enforcement involved with.
- aceazzameen 4y agoI call bullshit unless he has a source. He's cries wolf too often.
- ChrisCinelli 4y agoThis will escalate quickly. I wonder if we will end up having public data not more public
- dkrich 4y agoWhat I’d make of it is a desperate attempt to conflate two completely different things (one of which to my knowledge isn’t even verified) in hopes of gaining sympathy for pulling the rug on an account without looking like a complete hypocrite. Dude is looking more and more like a pathological liar and sociopath by the minute.
- TehCorwiz 4y agoThe flight information that twitter account was using is publically available and required by law to BE public. https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7zygg/twitter-bans-elon-musk-flight-tracking-account-after-saying-he-wouldnt-for-free-speech https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7zygg/twitter-bans-elon-mus... "Sweeney has been using sites such as ADS-B Exchange to track the movements of private jets blogging to celebrities, tech billionaires, and Russian oligarchs for years now. By law, the movement of these plans is publicly available information. “This account has every right to post jet whereabouts, ADS-B data is public, every aircraft in the world is required to have a transponder, Even AF1 (@AirForceTrack) Twitter policy states data found on other sites is allowed to be shared here as well,” the account’s pinned tweet read before it was banned." https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af
- Eji1700 4y agoThank you. I’m sick of seeing so many people defend this nonsense by portraying it as a safety issue. This issue is public. It’s required to be public. Someone pointing out public info is not a safety issue
- gfodor 4y agoThis is such a ridiculous take. It’s widely considered doxxing if you republish public information that makes it easy to find a person’s actual location. Without getting into the weeds on this specific issue, the idea that any public information being republished on social media can’t have safety consequences is absurd. If, for example, the information about where someone lives is buried on a buggy government website, packaging it up and broadcasting it onto Twitter to millions of people is a very meaningful event that has safety consequences to the person involved.
- Master_Odin 4y agoIt's doxxing if the info was not meant to be public, but was leaked via some source unintentionally. It's not really doxxing if you take info that's broadcast to the public by law and use that. I put out my resume that has my name, address, and phone number on my public website and I wouldn't consider it doxxing if someone uses that info. If Musk doesn't want to get tracked, he can take a regular airplane like other people, or maybe borrow a plane from someone he knows, and not use one that's registered to his business.
- kgwxd 4y agoMy guess is the story is completely made up or staged.
- lucretian 4y agoyeah, this seems fake as hell. the coincidental timing, the clumsy on-the-nose nature of this incident, the "perp" calmly letting the guy take video of his (paper?) license plate...in what appears to be a parking lot? come on.
- ethanbond 4y agoFrom the guy who tried to play off getting booed off stage at Chappelle’s (notoriously woke) show as a fight in the crowd? No way /s
- sethd 4y agoHe’s a chronic liar so unless there’s evidence to the contrary, I’ll assume it’s bullshit.
- boomboomsubban 4y agoMusk has now included a tweet seemingly trying to dox the stalker, including their license plate. How can he immediately turn from "people shouldn't post publicly available information that can be abusable" to posting someone's abusable public information?
- Raptor22 4y ago> How can he immediately turn from "people shouldn't post publicly available information that can be abusable" to posting someone's abusable public information? Hypocrisy
- kccoder 4y agoBecause he's a terrible person who doesn't really care for anyone or anything other than himself and his giant pile of gold.
- wendyshu 4y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33998145 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33998145
- TrickyRick 4y agoIt's possible to do great things and still be a terrible person. I know some people might find it hard to believe but it's also possible for people to change as they age/get richer/get more powerful/get less powerful/get poorer etc. Elon 10 years ago isn't Elon today.
- hackerman123469 4y agoYeah, ex. Pablo Escobar bombed a flight with hundreds of people on it, killed thousands of police officers and many more civilians etc. BUT he also built churches and schools in the poor neighborhood he grew up in. So he did some really terrible things and was overall a terrible person, BUT he also did some really good things.
- molticrystal 4y agoI'm worried about the side effects if Elon gets his way. Could this cause people to face legal problems if they share tracking info on federal or military flights such as those who spy on people? Could it stretch out to satellites, just how expansive would the ruling be if Elon won, and how hard and expensive would it be to narrow it back if possible?
- jacquesm 4y agoI don't see that happening, especially not because $25 + a laptop will get you an ADS-B receiver. This data is meant to be public.
- neuronexmachina 4y agoSweeney's personal account has also been suspended: https://twitter.com/jxcksweeney https://twitter.com/jxcksweeney Some additional info: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/12/14/elonjet-twitter-suspension-jack-sweeney-talks/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/12/14/elonjet... > On Wednesday evening, the account was briefly restored, with Twitter outlining new rules seemingly designed to prevent Sweeney from posting the real-time locations of planes used by Musk and other public figures as long as he included a slight delay. Sweeney, over Twitter, asked Musk how long he’d have to delay the data to comply. > But Wednesday evening, Musk threatened to escalate the conflict against Sweeney, saying a car carrying Musk’s son, X Æ A-12, had been “followed by [a] crazy stalker” in Los Angeles, implying without providing evidence that location data had been a factor in the purported episode. “Legal action is being taken against Sweeney & organizations who supported harm to my family,” Musk tweeted. > Sweeney, 20, shared publicly available information about Musk’s flights, not his family members or his cars. The records stopped and ended at airports, and Musk has provided no further detail as to what legal basis Musk would cite in a lawsuit.
- Eisenstein 4y ago> Musk’s son, X Æ A-12 I heard that he gave his child a strange name, but... that is just something else. On topic: I don't see how a flight location could be shown to cause that event. If I told you that I was arriving somewhere at LAX at around 0900 could you find me?
- hstan4 4y agoAre you flying in on your own private jet and are you among the richest most well-known people in the world?
- TrickyRick 4y agoSo privacy protection only applies to the rich?
- Eisenstein 4y ago
- throwaway128128 4y agoElon invokes his kids as a trump card to shut down criticism (e.g. why he isn't unbanning Alex Jones).
- hackerlight 4y agoAnd this trump card was actually a lie that was called out as such by his ex-wife within a day.
- elkos 4y agoDon't Teslas have several cameras that may record such incidents. If that's the case, can't someone accessing the vehicle's controls share with Elon and the world that this was the case?
- RC_ITR 4y agoHe also posted a real time photo of X (at twitter HQ) two weeks ago so he can’t be that worried.
- M3L0NM4N 4y ago@sweeney_legal_team ^
- sschueller 4y agoBecause following a vehicle leaving an airport is so much easier than a vehicle leaving Twitter HQ. /s
- jbverschoor 4y agoHis car is not his jet. Maybe he should stop phoning home
- 5350-uiop-1130 4y agoyes, because elon musk is incapable of lying, and has never been known to manipulate. /s
- geysersam 4y agoFeel for the guy and his family. But 1. This has nothing to do with the location of his private jet. 2. You can't do whatever you want, even to protect your family. Elon has a lot of power, he can't be allowed to abuse it because some guy decided to stalk him.
- kybernetyk 4y agoTwitter is his private property. He can ban whomever he wants.
- firsttimebigboy 4y agoThat's not what he said when he bought it lol
- oxfordmale 4y agoTechnically yes, however, by his own admission this is a genuine safety concern. Based on his own admission,the EU would expect a consistent ban on all accounts that share such information, not just the account that targets Elon Musk. I am sure this will fly below the radar, however, once again shows there is no consistent moderation policy across Twitter. So far it seems Musk will only respond if it affects his own family.
- saagarjha 4y agoOk, but then he followed this up with a lawsuit.
- ssnistfajen 4y agoThis incident is entirely between the perpetrator and Elon. Jack Sweeney's bot has nothing to do with it because a bot relaying public info that could've been retrieved using a plethora of alternative means bears no responsibility for potentially causing this incident.
- oxfordmale 4y agoI would somewhat understand if Elon also blocked related accounts following other celebrities. Allegedly he had the chance to buy it for £50,000. It might have been more value for money than Twitter.
- valeg 4y agoElon's victimhood. So fragile.
- mola 4y agoHow is tracking a jet allowing a stalker to stalk a car?
- deleted 4y ago[deleted]
- ModernMech 4y agoYou noticed that slight of hand too? Go back to the original HN thread on this ban and you’ll find a poster asking for another “narrative” besides Musk being a rank hypocrite. This is that narrative his followers were looking for. The slight of hand here is to conflate the car and the plane and the dates. This allows his followers to push a “it was for his child’s safety!” argument, in which yet again Elon Musk uses his children as a prop to avoid critical examination of his new story. Which, as you and others point out, falls apart due to the timing of the last tweet and the purported incident.
- dpacmittal 4y agoPublicly rallying RW against Fauci is okay though, because only Elon's safety is paramount. Classic narcissist.
- the_gipsy 4y agoHe tried to buy out Sweeney's account for $5k, got counteroffered $50k but rejected.
- Herbstluft 4y agoHow is that relevant except that it demonstrates even further hypocrisy from Musk? Which is not surprising. Also Musk isn't really trustworthy so unless this is confirmed by am independent third party there is no reason to believe the guy that moves tens of thousands of dollars to harass rescue personnel. Even if Musk is not lying there still isn't a connection. Edit: apparently the last data published from the elonjet account is from December 12th. Making this even more ridiculous. Not sure what I expected.
- catfishx 4y agoI thought this was about following his private jet, not his car, or did I miss something?
- maest 4y agoI initially thought his car was carrying a rapper called Lil X, but I think it's actually talking about his child?
- adenozine 4y agoSounds like healthy free speech to me, Mr Businessman! What's the real problem?
- gregoriol 4y agoWas the account tracking a plane or a car?
- theCrowing 4y agoAfter he lied about his first kid dying in his arms I am not exactly sure if I believe him without receipts.
- 93po 4y ago* was accused by an ex wife of lying about it. The same ex wife that notoriously does anything for media attention, writes online incessantly about her divorce with Elon, who's made multiple easily disproven lies, has publicly smeared him for financial gain during divorce proceedings, and had her own divorce judge not agree with the validity of any of her claims.
- b0sk 4y agoNow apply the same logic to libs of tiktok. she set off qanon extremists to threaten Boston Children’s hospital. but Elon encourages re-instated her account and regularly engages with her
- itsoktocry 4y agoImagine believing this had anything to do with ElonJet, which has been around forever, versus his social heel turn. Also, his plane's data is still out there, for free.
- mattcantstop 4y agoMusk is struggling with the "absolutist" part of free speech.
- bsg75 4y ago> Make that what you will Musk considers harm to anyone's family other than his to be necessary for Twitter revenue. > organizations who supported harm to my family A significant problem in Twitter and social media in general. Musk seeks to protect himself, while opening the floodgates on others for his version of "free speech" by unbanning accounts previously flagged as abusive. A hypocrite by definition.
- SNosTrAnDbLe 4y agoTwitter should be at twitter.elonmusk.com instead of twitter.com