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You’re “flabbergasted”? This is publicly available information. What exactly is the safety threat with this twitter acct?

bobleeswagger 4y ago
Publicly available information is... publicly available information. Singling out public information and publishing it to single out one person when there are safety and security implications is crossing the line distinctly into what we call doxxing. Just curious, how long have you been on the internet? Would you like an account like this to exist tracking everything you do?
- 40four 4y ago
  Thank you, well put. It's like everyone's incredible amount of hate towards Elon is blinding them to the human aspect of this. Never seen such overwhelming support for a doxxing account. Let's not forget to be humans guys.
  - timeon 4y ago
    I do not find it well put because it is moving the goal-post. Topic is not if the account is ethical or if it is right to ban account like this. Point is about banning it from the position of 'free speech absolutist'. Free speech absolutists wants to ensure freedom of express also for things that could be considered as unethical.
    - bobleeswagger 4y ago
      All the kid had to do was make it a little more general, a little less targeted. Nobody is moving goalposts except for folks like you.
  - bobleeswagger 4y ago
    You know what really makes it hilarious? All this kid had to do was do a little more work: Track more celebrities and top dollar folks. Make it general. Maybe they'd converge on him, but at least Elon wouldn't have a leg to stand on. Instead this kid does minimal work, it goes viral, and everyone is crying about it. Pathetic. I'm loving the selective memories so many folks have here, acting as though they are remotely consistent with application of ethics.
  - nickthegreek 4y ago
    Elon LITERALLY TWEETED that what this account was doing was free speech and would not be banned.
    - 40four 4y ago
      In the SAME TWEET, he admitted it's a direct threat to his personal safety. Why is that something that's not okay to change your mind on? Are you arguing that his life on a day to day basis should be put in more danger is okay, in the name of some dumb ass doxxing twitter account?
      - nickthegreek 4y ago
        This dude changes his mind every day. In what world is that how you should run a $44b company? This isn’t what he said he would do when he bought Twitter. Aren’t you upset that he straying so far from his promises?
- oasisbob 4y ago
  A part of your analysis left out is that Elon is a public figure. Is poparazzi photography doxxing? Is the White House press corp doxxing?
  - 40four 4y ago
    Paparazzi is certainly doxxing. White house press corps, definitely not, not sure how that's comparable. ElonJet? 100% doxxing, and I don't know how anyone could argue otherwise.
- mrb 4y ago
  «tracking everything you do» It's quite an hyperbole to go from "tracking what city you airplane lands it" to "tracking everything you do"
  - bobleeswagger 4y ago
    You haven't answered the question regardless of the hyperbole. This would bother anyone, rich, poor, doesn't matter.
- orwin 4y ago
  I wouldn't mind an account tracking my private plane tbh. I would probably never use it anyway.
40four 4y ago
Public information or not, that doesn't make it ethical. It would be different if it tracked other celebrities also. It's a personal attack. I don't know why I have to explain why it would be a safety threat, but sure. Someone who wanted to do harm to Elon having easy access to his whereabouts at all time? Put yourself in his shoes. Would that make you feel more or less safe? And these days, someone wanting to harm him is not a far fetched idea. I don't care that it's public information, most people wouldn't even know that it is, let alone where to find and parse the data. Just because you can publish information like this doesn't mean it's ethical, or it doesn't directly effect someone's well being.
- TheHypnotist 4y ago
  In a few short key strokes that information is still available.
  - 40four 4y ago
    Thanks to the ElonJet twitter account in question, no? It's doxing, plain and simple.
- BlargMcLarg 4y ago
  Give up. This guy has been actively trying to make enemies to garner a few "hello there fellow kids" points, actively uses every trick in the book to make sure he not only has to pay zilch in taxes, but draws the maximum in benefits, being one of the richest people on the planet and continuously taking credit for things he at best funded, at worst didn't do anything for. Meanwhile he's throwing up a gigantic smokescreen and misleading people in ways that benefit his company while being disastrous for the environment, and has the gall to show his ideas as some kind of divine intellect. An account functioning as an event hub for public information regarding his jet is about the least he has to worry about once the chickens come home to roost. If the location alone was that bad, he could give a warning and ask the account to only post climate-related info. These are the people shaming you at every corner and ready to push you under the bus the moment something dares to scratch their empire. Nothing about their existence is ethical. People defending them under the guise of 'ethics' is exactly how they got there.
hk1337 4y ago
It may be public information but how easy is it for the common Joe to look up a specific person's flight information? I'm genuinely curious because if it takes a few steps and knowing a couple of bits of information then maybe that is a problem. I mean, the FAA records or wherever they're getting the information doesn't have it labeled "Elon's Jet", does it? The Twitter account likely makes it dead simple for any bloke off the street to know where it is.
- mike_d 4y ago
  It is trivial. https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af
  - hk1337 4y ago
    How would I know "N628TS" is Elon's jet?
    - mnmndnd 4y ago
      https://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N628TS https://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N628TS https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ca/201113110103 https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ca/201113110103
      - 40four 4y ago
        Well that doesn't answer the question. Figuring out who owns that particular jet, and or what it's license number is is not obvious. One more step down the line. How would a normal person know who owns "FALCON LANDING LLC". Point is, unless you read the ElonJet account, most normies would have a hard time figuring out all of this. Just because it's public information doesn't mean it's easy to find for normal people. That account is Doxxing, plain and simple. But you guys are welcome to keep defending it I guess.
        encoderer 4y ago

bobleeswagger 4y ago

Publicly available information is... publicly available information. Singling out public information and publishing it to single out one person when there are safety and security implications is crossing the line distinctly into what we call doxxing. Just curious, how long have you been on the internet? Would you like an account like this to exist tracking everything you do?

40four 4y ago
Thank you, well put. It's like everyone's incredible amount of hate towards Elon is blinding them to the human aspect of this. Never seen such overwhelming support for a doxxing account. Let's not forget to be humans guys.
- timeon 4y ago
  I do not find it well put because it is moving the goal-post. Topic is not if the account is ethical or if it is right to ban account like this. Point is about banning it from the position of 'free speech absolutist'. Free speech absolutists wants to ensure freedom of express also for things that could be considered as unethical.
  - bobleeswagger 4y ago
    All the kid had to do was make it a little more general, a little less targeted. Nobody is moving goalposts except for folks like you.
- bobleeswagger 4y ago
  You know what really makes it hilarious? All this kid had to do was do a little more work: Track more celebrities and top dollar folks. Make it general. Maybe they'd converge on him, but at least Elon wouldn't have a leg to stand on. Instead this kid does minimal work, it goes viral, and everyone is crying about it. Pathetic. I'm loving the selective memories so many folks have here, acting as though they are remotely consistent with application of ethics.
- nickthegreek 4y ago
  Elon LITERALLY TWEETED that what this account was doing was free speech and would not be banned.
  - 40four 4y ago
    In the SAME TWEET, he admitted it's a direct threat to his personal safety. Why is that something that's not okay to change your mind on? Are you arguing that his life on a day to day basis should be put in more danger is okay, in the name of some dumb ass doxxing twitter account?
    - nickthegreek 4y ago
      This dude changes his mind every day. In what world is that how you should run a $44b company? This isn’t what he said he would do when he bought Twitter. Aren’t you upset that he straying so far from his promises?
oasisbob 4y ago
A part of your analysis left out is that Elon is a public figure. Is poparazzi photography doxxing? Is the White House press corp doxxing?
- 40four 4y ago
  Paparazzi is certainly doxxing. White house press corps, definitely not, not sure how that's comparable. ElonJet? 100% doxxing, and I don't know how anyone could argue otherwise.
mrb 4y ago
«tracking everything you do» It's quite an hyperbole to go from "tracking what city you airplane lands it" to "tracking everything you do"
- bobleeswagger 4y ago
  You haven't answered the question regardless of the hyperbole. This would bother anyone, rich, poor, doesn't matter.
orwin 4y ago
I wouldn't mind an account tracking my private plane tbh. I would probably never use it anyway.

40four 4y ago

Public information or not, that doesn't make it ethical. It would be different if it tracked other celebrities also. It's a personal attack. I don't know why I have to explain why it would be a safety threat, but sure. Someone who wanted to do harm to Elon having easy access to his whereabouts at all time? Put yourself in his shoes. Would that make you feel more or less safe? And these days, someone wanting to harm him is not a far fetched idea. I don't care that it's public information, most people wouldn't even know that it is, let alone where to find and parse the data. Just because you can publish information like this doesn't mean it's ethical, or it doesn't directly effect someone's well being.

TheHypnotist 4y ago
In a few short key strokes that information is still available.
- 40four 4y ago
  Thanks to the ElonJet twitter account in question, no? It's doxing, plain and simple.
BlargMcLarg 4y ago
Give up. This guy has been actively trying to make enemies to garner a few "hello there fellow kids" points, actively uses every trick in the book to make sure he not only has to pay zilch in taxes, but draws the maximum in benefits, being one of the richest people on the planet and continuously taking credit for things he at best funded, at worst didn't do anything for. Meanwhile he's throwing up a gigantic smokescreen and misleading people in ways that benefit his company while being disastrous for the environment, and has the gall to show his ideas as some kind of divine intellect. An account functioning as an event hub for public information regarding his jet is about the least he has to worry about once the chickens come home to roost. If the location alone was that bad, he could give a warning and ask the account to only post climate-related info. These are the people shaming you at every corner and ready to push you under the bus the moment something dares to scratch their empire. Nothing about their existence is ethical. People defending them under the guise of 'ethics' is exactly how they got there.

hk1337 4y ago

It may be public information but how easy is it for the common Joe to look up a specific person's flight information? I'm genuinely curious because if it takes a few steps and knowing a couple of bits of information then maybe that is a problem. I mean, the FAA records or wherever they're getting the information doesn't have it labeled "Elon's Jet", does it? The Twitter account likely makes it dead simple for any bloke off the street to know where it is.

mike_d 4y ago
It is trivial. https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af
- hk1337 4y ago
  How would I know "N628TS" is Elon's jet?
  - mnmndnd 4y ago
    https://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N628TS https://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N628TS https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ca/201113110103 https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ca/201113110103
    - 40four 4y ago
      Well that doesn't answer the question. Figuring out who owns that particular jet, and or what it's license number is is not obvious. One more step down the line. How would a normal person know who owns "FALCON LANDING LLC". Point is, unless you read the ElonJet account, most normies would have a hard time figuring out all of this. Just because it's public information doesn't mean it's easy to find for normal people. That account is Doxxing, plain and simple. But you guys are welcome to keep defending it I guess.
      - encoderer 4y ago