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No you can't because solar isn't a continious source and fusion is. No amount of investment into solar power can make the sun magically shine 24 hours a day.

joe_the_user 4y ago
Of course you can invest enough and make solar equivalent to continuous power. Solar + reverse hydropower, solar + synthetic fuel manufacture, solar + appropriate sized batteries, solar cranes-with-weights, etc. Solar is so cheap that all those are plausible. Fusion is still far from ready.
- Helmut10001 4y ago
  I suggest we do not lay all of our eggs in one basket. Climate change can be best countered if we use the sweet spot of all current available and anticipated technologies, including photovoltaic, long & short term storage solutions, and fusion. There is no need to bet on one technology at this stage.
  - Tade0 4y ago
    There is a market need. Solar panels are cheap and the market appears to be fine with unreliable power[0] if it's cheap enough. [0] Unreliable, but predictable that is. You can estimate with decent confidence what the weather will be like tomorrow and you can definitely tell what it's going to be a few hours from now, so energy auctions a day ahead are feasible.
    - liketochill 4y ago
      Do you have week long blackouts currently? In any given year you can count on a week where a panel only produces 10%. It just has to be cloudy or rainy. However much solar we add, even with storage to get through a night, needs some other source to get through the cloudy week, unless we are ok with blackouts.
      - Tade0 4y ago
        A panel. Panels spread over hundreds of thousands of square kilometres produce power averaged over that area, so they're much more consistent and predictable. HVDC lines help with this a lot. It has gotten to a point where there are serious plans to build a long, undersea HVDC line from the UK to Morocco which, get this, is poised to cost less than the equivalent(GWh delivered annually) Hinkley Point C nuclear power plant: https://xlinks.co/morocco-uk-power-project/ https://xlinks.co/morocco-uk-power-project/ That's how cheap the combination of solar and HVDC is.
        liketochill 4y ago
        Glad it will work there. There has been local opposition to new transmission lines in the USA (see Maine recently) so when folks say “just build powerlines” all I can think of is the difficulty of the land assembly and permitting. Technically it is easy, it is all the humans in the way that make it hard.
atoav 4y ago
Energy storage is not an unsolved issue.
Cort3z 4y ago
Batteries
ramijames 4y ago
I mean, you could literally build a ring of solar power collectors and microwave transmitters in orbit. It would always have 50% coverage.
- HPsquared 4y ago
  Or just have a bunch of power lines running east-west.

joe_the_user 4y ago

Of course you can invest enough and make solar equivalent to continuous power. Solar + reverse hydropower, solar + synthetic fuel manufacture, solar + appropriate sized batteries, solar cranes-with-weights, etc. Solar is so cheap that all those are plausible. Fusion is still far from ready.

Helmut10001 4y ago
I suggest we do not lay all of our eggs in one basket. Climate change can be best countered if we use the sweet spot of all current available and anticipated technologies, including photovoltaic, long & short term storage solutions, and fusion. There is no need to bet on one technology at this stage.
- Tade0 4y ago
  There is a market need. Solar panels are cheap and the market appears to be fine with unreliable power[0] if it's cheap enough. [0] Unreliable, but predictable that is. You can estimate with decent confidence what the weather will be like tomorrow and you can definitely tell what it's going to be a few hours from now, so energy auctions a day ahead are feasible.
  - liketochill 4y ago
    Do you have week long blackouts currently? In any given year you can count on a week where a panel only produces 10%. It just has to be cloudy or rainy. However much solar we add, even with storage to get through a night, needs some other source to get through the cloudy week, unless we are ok with blackouts.
    - Tade0 4y ago
      A panel. Panels spread over hundreds of thousands of square kilometres produce power averaged over that area, so they're much more consistent and predictable. HVDC lines help with this a lot. It has gotten to a point where there are serious plans to build a long, undersea HVDC line from the UK to Morocco which, get this, is poised to cost less than the equivalent(GWh delivered annually) Hinkley Point C nuclear power plant: https://xlinks.co/morocco-uk-power-project/ https://xlinks.co/morocco-uk-power-project/ That's how cheap the combination of solar and HVDC is.
      - liketochill 4y ago
        Glad it will work there. There has been local opposition to new transmission lines in the USA (see Maine recently) so when folks say “just build powerlines” all I can think of is the difficulty of the land assembly and permitting. Technically it is easy, it is all the humans in the way that make it hard.

atoav 4y ago

Energy storage is not an unsolved issue.

Cort3z 4y ago

Batteries

ramijames 4y ago

I mean, you could literally build a ring of solar power collectors and microwave transmitters in orbit. It would always have 50% coverage.

HPsquared 4y ago
Or just have a bunch of power lines running east-west.