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Musk, the Anti-Censorship Crusader, Allegedly Shadowbanned ElonJet Account
- latchkey 4y agoBack tracked quickly. https://twitter.com/JxckSweeney/status/1602354433807061070 https://twitter.com/JxckSweeney/status/1602354433807061070
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- cogman10 4y agoWow, musk is flying a LOT. Sometimes multiple times in a day. Often across the country and back again. All in a private jet. That's profoundly wasteful.
- api 4y agoHe seems to be a member of the everything must be done in person school of thought. He also likely has to have meetings with even more "non-digital-native" people that are even more of that mentality.
- cogman10 4y ago> He also likely has to have meetings with even more "non-digital-native" people that are even more of that mentality. Maybe? A lot of his flights appear to be to places where he owns the factory or company. (Like the giga factory in nevada, or twitter in san fran).
- jrm4 4y agoGiven recent events, I personally find this strong proof of his mediocrity (and perhaps many people misunderstanding his motives?) Which is to say -- all this says to me is "I'm bad at management" at best and "I'm an over-engineerer, to the point that if I'd done nothing at all, you'd probably get better outcomes" at worst? I'm not exactly sure what his endgame(s) is/are, or what skills he may actually have to get there -- but it's becoming increasingly clear that the real Elon Musk is not anything remotely close to the image we had of him during the rise of e.g. SpaceX and Tesla et al.
- mrguyorama 4y agoSmart people have been saying this from the very beginning but everyone wanted to drink the koolaid and believe. My friend first started singing Elon's praise while watching the automated battery replacement "demonstration" vaporware, while at the same time getting suckered in by an MLM.
- Fatnino 4y agoHey, the idea of a replaceable battery is a good one. Too bad it was generally uninvented across the board some 10-15 years ago.
- cogman10 4y agoI think for it to work, you pretty much need federal regulation to step in and standardize. I have this video in mind [1] If we can have EV packs sizes, structural capabilities, voltages, and max currents defined then we can start having swapping services and maybe even better recycling. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=c2J91UG6Fn8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=c2J91UG6Fn8
- midoridensha 4y ago>I think for it to work, you pretty much need federal regulation to step in and standardize. Which is why it'll never happen.
- cogman10 4y agoI mean, never say never, but definitely not likely today.
- rsynnott 4y agoIt's a fairly big deal in China: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nio_Inc.#Battery_swapping https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nio_Inc.#Battery_swapping Largely non-existent elsewhere, at least for now, tho.
- fakedang 4y agoIt's still perfectly understandable if time is of the essence to you, hence you need to jet around quickly in a plane for a 30 minute flight to travel from Fremont to LA (obvious bias here because I fly often between cities). What's profoundly wasteful is that Musk travels on a full-fledged Gulfstream 650 for such a short distance - and often traveling within hours of each other on that mega jet.
- crote 4y agoIf time is of the essence, you'd just make a Zoom call. This type of corporate air travel is almost entirely status signaling.
- fakedang 4y agoSorry, but there are some functions for which you definitely need to be present. Countless deals are time bound and would not have happened were it not for both parties to be present in the zone. From anecdotal experience, we work with a number of government agencies and corporate partners for some projects, and it's often much easier to get a yes in person than through a BS Zoom call.
- hbn 4y agoDo people actually care that an incredibly small amount of people that can afford private jets are flying around? How many less dogs would we need on earth to offset the carbon footprint of private jets? What does the pollution look like as a percentage of smog China pumps into the air, or cities in India where they're burning all their trash? Billionaires flying in planes is such an infinitesimally small issue in the grand scope of pollution that it doesn't even feel worth the brain power to think about. It's like both of your legs were blown off and you're haemorrhaging blood but being concerned about the paper cut on your finger.
- voz_ 4y agoThe point is that these people shouldn't even exist, every billionaire is a policy failure - there is no ethical route to a billion dollars. So the egregious and outlandish lifestyle of waste and excess while simultaneously reminding us to recycle our cans and unplug idle devices is blatantly insulting.
- m-alsuwaidi 4y agoAre millionaires okay? What’s the cutoff?
- Fatnino 4y agoHaving a million dollars puts you in lower to mid middle class. There does exist some cutoff and it can be haggled over where exactly it is but it is certainly below a billion.
- cipheredStones 4y agoHaving a million dollars puts you in the top 12% of household net worth in the US - while "middle class" is a notoriously loose term in the US, that's upper middle class at least. Median household net worth is around $120k.
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- SamReidHughes 4y agoLol, no. CEOs of large companies that need to travel need a jet to do the job. Waiting for some passenger jet is just playing to lose.
- cogman10 4y agoWhy does elon need to travel? To be present with his employees during a hack-a-thon? We live in an era where anyone can have a video call with someone on the other side of the planet (I do this regularly with our india team). What large business needs their CEO physically at a location?
- SamReidHughes 4y agoYou say "video" but it offers nothing over audio-only conference calls, which we've had for decades, and in my experience people and teams mostly turn the video off. In-person works better. You won't manage factories as good with phone calls and jira tickets.
- cogman10 4y ago> You won't manage factories as good with phone calls and jira tickets. Do you think that the tesla factories won't operate well without elon being physically present at each of them multiple times per week? Do you think they'll fall apart if he doesn't immediately fly to them in a private jet? Do you think elon's presence at twitter HQ is making his code slaves work better? harder? faster? I could see the argument that perhaps during the initial phases of setting up a factory and talking about updates/maintenance it'd be useful to have the CEO present to understand exactly how the layout might need to change. However, unless you think tesla is constantly moving equipment around in their factories (Which, how could that result in better production?) then what value does elon's physical presence actually imbue?
- SamReidHughes 4y agoTraveling all the time sucks; they don't do it for fun. So who do you think is in a better position to gauge its usefulness? The CEO whose job is to gather information and make decisions, or you, some guy who talks about software engineers as "code slaves" (did you come up with that yourself?) and is confused about why a rapidly growing automaker that sets up new tents on its property would need to move equipment around in its factories? Ngmi.
- papito 4y agoHow else are you going to ask for naughty massages from a flight attendant in exchange for a horse? I mean, come ON.
- api 4y agoIt's pretty clear at this point that this is a personal hobby horse project that involved spending an absurd amount of money to unban a few people from a private walled garden. Twitter is a private walled garden. It always was a private walled garden. It always will be. If you want free speech head over to the fediverse or run your own site. If you're pissed about what Elon did, consider that he has been punished for it already. He paid $44 billion for Twitter.
- jakelazaroff 4y agoOne of the problems is that there are a ton of people who, in spite of all available evidence, are still willing to pretend in bad faith that Elon is somehow "pro free speech". So I think it's worth bringing this up to remind casual onlookers that it's not actually the case.
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- hardnose 4y agoWow, Musk's getting coverage on HN. Let's check it out... ...oh. OK. Hmmm. Starting to get a little worried about the neutrality of coverage. It's never good when technical issues and technical projects get polluted with political animosity.
- guywithahat 4y agoI mean this can legitimately be considered a privacy violation, right? It's also probably not correct, I assume that's just his jet moving, they don't tell anyone whether he's in it or not.
- jakelazaroff 4y ago> Sweeney, a first-year student at the University of Central Florida in Orlando, says he uses publicly available transponder data from Musk’s private plane to track its location. I am sympathetic to the idea that there's an overlap between "publicly available" and "privacy violating". Not for the flight data of the richest man in the world's private jet, though.
- Fatnino 4y ago*second richest.
- just4nornies 4y agoThis is a privacy and security issue, not a free speech issue. Would you like it if every time you drove somewhere someone tweeted your info on your trip? Thieves would go to your home to rob you while you're away, or someone could arrange a fatal car accident (smash into you) if you're important enough. Or in his case, someone could fly a drone into his plane as it's landing. I mean anything could happen. Why is this an issue of free speech rather than an issue of security and privacy?
- someNameIG 4y ago> This is a privacy and security issue This is the same Elon Musk, who has one of the largest audiences in the world, publicly accused Yoel Roth of being a pedophile. Because he left Twitter due to disagreeing with Elons actions. He also platforms and likes tweets from Libsoftiktok, who have targeted multiple Childs hospitals resulting in bomb threats.
- nickthegreek 4y agoThe location of every plane that flies in the US (99.99999999%) is public data. If you want to take your big old metal tube up in the air, then you abide by the rules set forth by the party in charge of the air. We, as a society, have decided that those planes have an ID and if that plane wants to enter the air, then they agree to be tracked. That's the terms of service. There is no privacy violation.
- constantcrying 4y ago>The owner of the @ElonJet Twitter handle says a Twitter employee told him his account was given limited visibility “to a severe degree." Then you would expect e.g. his likes to go down significantly, right? He would start not showing up in people's feeds and engagement would dwindle to a halt. From briefly looking through the history to the beginning of November I see no clear trend of reduced engagement. It seems quite consistent. Afterall it is an account about the plane of a billionaire, not exactly the most breathtaking content on the site. I see no evidence that he has "severely" less engagement then before Musk took over. >Back in January, Sweeney told The New York Times Musk personally reached out to him over DMs asking him to remove the bot in exchange for $5,000. Sweeney counter offered, saying he would consider deactivating the account for $50,000 or even an internship at one of Musk’s companies. This also seems bizarre. Does Musk really care about $45.000? Is that the kind of money a billionaire wouldn't spend to make some nuisance go away? Seems ridicolous to be honest.
- SamReidHughes 4y agoAnybody with a modicum of self-respect wouldn't accept that counter-offer. The $5K offer was a gift, and publicizing a person's flights is sick behavior.
- constantcrying 4y agoCivilian flights have their data published. If I am flying my plane is publically tracked too.
- TapWaterBandit 4y agoYea, I'm genuinely curious if the people criticising Musk here are also in favour of doxxing people and then publishing the info online? Cause that's effectively what this is. I'm not sure where I stand on this but I can see why someone of Musk's public stature would be concerned about this. Hell, I am a literal nobody and of someone did this or something similar to me I'd be paranoid as all hell.
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- threatofrain 4y agoAt the top of Reddit is also this post: https://old.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/zjutsq/elon_musk_got_booed_off_the_stage_at_the_dave/ https://old.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/zjutsq/elon_musk_go... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdBga225HBk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdBga225HBk Which seems to be an account being banned for featuring a video and commentary of Elon being booed on stage with Dave Chapelle.
- __void 4y agoWhy is this post flagged?