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The dinosaurs lived in an incomprehensibly different world. From the food and nutrition to the very air they were breathing which we only have vague ideas abou

The dinosaurs lived in an incomprehensibly different world. From the food and nutrition to the very air they were breathing which we only have vague ideas about. That means the first several generations at the very least would suffer and die from various nutrition, toxicity and environment issues. Even after all that got figured out the dinosaurs would likely have be confined to some small controlled environment right down to the air they breath because this is not the world they are evolved to exist in. Humans can't even figure out how to keep many currently living species alive in captivity and we can study them in the wild. Basically if we bring back dinosaurs it will be to torture them for our amusement and curiosity. Even if unintentional. The movies make us think Jurassic Park but the reality would be more like a slaughter house or medical experiment lab. The movie wouldn't be exciting if every scene was the same as that sick triceratops. Its actually hilarious if you think up a version of the movie in your head where they just walk around watching animals dying and laboring to breath. "they're hunting us!" "lol JK you should have seen your face. No they would pass out after two steps if they tried to chase us. We have to feed them through tubes because they don't even have the energy to chew"

user3939382 4y ago
Life.. uh.. finds a way
- iamgopal 4y ago
  True, if we bring back dinosaurs, that will be the biggest example of it
- VLM 4y ago
  Google searches for "high altitude dinosaur" mostly find complaints that scientists assume they exist but mountains are peak erosion sites so there are no fossils or other evidence. Theoretically geologists could predict high altitude plains or areas of generally high ground, probably, and it would be interesting to see reported fossils in those known lower PP-O2 areas. Fossilized vegetation evidence in the area of dino fossils could indicate higher altitude for both. Sure, intuitively most dinos would thrive in hot swampy jungles. But there's so much delicious higher altitude land covered in pine trees waiting to be eaten... The cold argument is serious, but plenty of animals migrate, so given great forest of edible food, something should have evolved to eat its way uphill in the summer ...
- jstanley 4y ago
  Life "finds a way" by evolving adaptations. Not by running obsolete technology in an inappropriate environment. Life has found a way - we are it!
  - taneq 4y ago
    Until life finds another way, which at this rate will probably be some kind of fungus.
- hnbad 4y ago
  It has. They're called birds.
lubujackson 4y ago
Yes, my thought exactly. The oxygen level in the air was significantly higher and there is no way some of those larger dinosaurs could exist without much higher oxygen content.
erikstarck 4y ago
Yeah, they need to place theses jurassic creatures in a park on an island somewhere. I mean, what could possibly go wrong?
chasil 4y ago
As far as I understand, keeping such creatures alive would require facilities with enriched oxygen. If the large ones escaped, they would suffocate. "...large dinosaurs really required to be living in an oxygen tent. An atmosphere in the neighborhood of 35 percent oxygen would be considerably more compatible with large dinosaurs than one in the neighborhood of 28." Volcanic activity in the Cretaceous enabled these high oxygen levels. "The Cretaceous is clearly a green house period as opposed to the present ice house that we have... One of the problems that people have always suggested about these high levels of oxygen at various times in the past, is that this is comparable to what you have in an oxygen tent in a hospital. And what about wildfires? What they forget is that the reason for this high oxygen is that there is also a high carbon dioxide level. We are talking about carbon dioxide levels 6 to 10 times the present carbon dioxide level. And that is more than enough to essentially combat wildfires." https://profjoecain.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/robert-e-sloan-interview-with-professor-joe-cain-1996.pdf https://profjoecain.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/robert-e-...
- citizenpaul 4y ago
  Oxygen only one part and for all we know there were other trace gasses in the air they required that we don't even know about. There are all kinds of animals today we cannot keep alive in captivity because they require some sort of unknown sequence of environmental triggers to activate or deactivate various processes in their body. For instance cheetahs are nearly impossible to breed in captivity because their mating process requires running for many miles to exhaustion. Without this the pregnancy rate is in the abyss even with artificial methods. There are endless examples thats just one off the top of my head.
  - api 4y ago
    We just need to create a cheetah racing league. Problem solved.
  - worldsayshi 4y ago
    Makes me wonder what the evolutionary benefit of keeping such triggers are and makes me wonder if part of the reason for the drop in human fertility in parts of the world is due to us removing some of those triggers for ourselves.
rrgok 4y ago
"Basically if we bring back dinosaurs it will be to torture them for our amusement and curiosity". Just a thought experiment, I hope I won't be downvoted to hell. Isn't this the predicament of all beings? You might say, that some people enjoy life, but at that point you should 1) Confirm that all beings are not answering with a Stockholm Syndrome 2) Confirm what is the subjective experience of the dinosaur
- Name_Chawps 4y ago
  I have neutral or positive emotions most of the time, and negative emotions only rarely. I almost never have negative thoughts (anymore). You hit me with Stockholm Syndrome; I respond with Typical Mind Fallacy. Just because your life is largely suffering, you assume that all humans lives must largely consist of suffering. This is not true.
- downrightmike 4y ago
  If the Antarctic thaws, it would be probably the best place for them.
- citizenpaul 4y ago
  I was not talking about purpose. I meant that dinosaur are not biologically capable of living in this time period or this environment of earth. They would have to be on life support from birth. Even than it would take many years of trying before we figured out how to keep them alive. Which means they would start dying a slow agonizing death from the moment we create them. It would be like dropping people off on Venus and saying make the best of the sulfuric acid atmosphere. Have you ever seen a killer whale in captivity with its top fin floppy/not standing up straight. They have no idea why that happens in captivity they cannot figure out even after many decades of them being captive. Now imagine that with millions of years of difference.
jcfrei 4y ago
Pretty unlikely that we would be able to find a complete DNA of a single species of dinosaur. More likely we would have to patch it together and while we're at it might as well modify it allow them to survive under current conditions. Just speaking hypothetically here but that seems like the more probable scenario.
- hvs 4y ago
  It seems like more than an issue of DNA to create a 50 ton dinosaur that could survive in a modern climate. Dinosaurs were able to reach their sizes precisely because of the oxygen-rich environment, not just their DNA.
  - namrog84 4y ago
    So we make small dinosaurs? What about not bringing back dinosaurs but changing the dna of say a chicken to resemble that what we'd consider to be a dinosaur without it actually being any historically known dinosaur?
    - Maursault 4y ago
      A generically modified chicken won't help us. We're going to need actual full-blooded dinosaurs if we ever hope to find out how they built Stonehenge.
    - melagonster 4y ago
      this sounds like the way, actually this is how it work in book. I think this will happen.
- mbg721 4y ago
  That seems more plausible to me too, that we'd actually end up with something "based on actual dinosaurs!", maybe even with "Motel of the Mysteries"-type historical misconceptions baked in, just to make them meet expectations.
theknocker 4y ago
csomar 4y ago
birds are dinosaurs. I’m not sure how much they evolved from their ancestors but I don’t think it’s much. If I were to guess Dinosaurs will live fine on the current earth.
- davidw 4y ago
  They had millions of years to evolve.
  - csomar 4y ago
    So did many other organisms who are still with us today. I'm guessing most organisms will be fine if the basics are covered (tolerable level of oxygen and air pressure, tolerable levels of radiations).
    - jameshart 4y ago
      Evolution doesn’t work by having individual creatures keep calm and carry on just ‘putting up’ with whatever geological, climatic or atmospheric changes take place. Evolution works by having creatures that can’t handle the new situation die. Preferably before they are able to reproduce. And it may have escaped your attention, but the large non-avian dinosaurs? They all died out.
verdenti 4y ago

user3939382 4y ago

Life.. uh.. finds a way

iamgopal 4y ago
True, if we bring back dinosaurs, that will be the biggest example of it
VLM 4y ago
Google searches for "high altitude dinosaur" mostly find complaints that scientists assume they exist but mountains are peak erosion sites so there are no fossils or other evidence. Theoretically geologists could predict high altitude plains or areas of generally high ground, probably, and it would be interesting to see reported fossils in those known lower PP-O2 areas. Fossilized vegetation evidence in the area of dino fossils could indicate higher altitude for both. Sure, intuitively most dinos would thrive in hot swampy jungles. But there's so much delicious higher altitude land covered in pine trees waiting to be eaten... The cold argument is serious, but plenty of animals migrate, so given great forest of edible food, something should have evolved to eat its way uphill in the summer ...
jstanley 4y ago
Life "finds a way" by evolving adaptations. Not by running obsolete technology in an inappropriate environment. Life has found a way - we are it!
- taneq 4y ago
  Until life finds another way, which at this rate will probably be some kind of fungus.
hnbad 4y ago
It has. They're called birds.

lubujackson 4y ago

Yes, my thought exactly. The oxygen level in the air was significantly higher and there is no way some of those larger dinosaurs could exist without much higher oxygen content.

erikstarck 4y ago

Yeah, they need to place theses jurassic creatures in a park on an island somewhere. I mean, what could possibly go wrong?

chasil 4y ago

As far as I understand, keeping such creatures alive would require facilities with enriched oxygen. If the large ones escaped, they would suffocate. "...large dinosaurs really required to be living in an oxygen tent. An atmosphere in the neighborhood of 35 percent oxygen would be considerably more compatible with large dinosaurs than one in the neighborhood of 28." Volcanic activity in the Cretaceous enabled these high oxygen levels. "The Cretaceous is clearly a green house period as opposed to the present ice house that we have... One of the problems that people have always suggested about these high levels of oxygen at various times in the past, is that this is comparable to what you have in an oxygen tent in a hospital. And what about wildfires? What they forget is that the reason for this high oxygen is that there is also a high carbon dioxide level. We are talking about carbon dioxide levels 6 to 10 times the present carbon dioxide level. And that is more than enough to essentially combat wildfires." https://profjoecain.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/robert-e-sloan-interview-with-professor-joe-cain-1996.pdf https://profjoecain.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/robert-e-...

citizenpaul 4y ago
Oxygen only one part and for all we know there were other trace gasses in the air they required that we don't even know about. There are all kinds of animals today we cannot keep alive in captivity because they require some sort of unknown sequence of environmental triggers to activate or deactivate various processes in their body. For instance cheetahs are nearly impossible to breed in captivity because their mating process requires running for many miles to exhaustion. Without this the pregnancy rate is in the abyss even with artificial methods. There are endless examples thats just one off the top of my head.
- api 4y ago
  We just need to create a cheetah racing league. Problem solved.
- worldsayshi 4y ago
  Makes me wonder what the evolutionary benefit of keeping such triggers are and makes me wonder if part of the reason for the drop in human fertility in parts of the world is due to us removing some of those triggers for ourselves.

rrgok 4y ago

"Basically if we bring back dinosaurs it will be to torture them for our amusement and curiosity". Just a thought experiment, I hope I won't be downvoted to hell. Isn't this the predicament of all beings? You might say, that some people enjoy life, but at that point you should 1) Confirm that all beings are not answering with a Stockholm Syndrome 2) Confirm what is the subjective experience of the dinosaur

Name_Chawps 4y ago
I have neutral or positive emotions most of the time, and negative emotions only rarely. I almost never have negative thoughts (anymore). You hit me with Stockholm Syndrome; I respond with Typical Mind Fallacy. Just because your life is largely suffering, you assume that all humans lives must largely consist of suffering. This is not true.
downrightmike 4y ago
If the Antarctic thaws, it would be probably the best place for them.
citizenpaul 4y ago
I was not talking about purpose. I meant that dinosaur are not biologically capable of living in this time period or this environment of earth. They would have to be on life support from birth. Even than it would take many years of trying before we figured out how to keep them alive. Which means they would start dying a slow agonizing death from the moment we create them. It would be like dropping people off on Venus and saying make the best of the sulfuric acid atmosphere. Have you ever seen a killer whale in captivity with its top fin floppy/not standing up straight. They have no idea why that happens in captivity they cannot figure out even after many decades of them being captive. Now imagine that with millions of years of difference.

jcfrei 4y ago

Pretty unlikely that we would be able to find a complete DNA of a single species of dinosaur. More likely we would have to patch it together and while we're at it might as well modify it allow them to survive under current conditions. Just speaking hypothetically here but that seems like the more probable scenario.

hvs 4y ago
It seems like more than an issue of DNA to create a 50 ton dinosaur that could survive in a modern climate. Dinosaurs were able to reach their sizes precisely because of the oxygen-rich environment, not just their DNA.
- namrog84 4y ago
  So we make small dinosaurs? What about not bringing back dinosaurs but changing the dna of say a chicken to resemble that what we'd consider to be a dinosaur without it actually being any historically known dinosaur?
  - Maursault 4y ago
    A generically modified chicken won't help us. We're going to need actual full-blooded dinosaurs if we ever hope to find out how they built Stonehenge.
  - melagonster 4y ago
    this sounds like the way, actually this is how it work in book. I think this will happen.
mbg721 4y ago
That seems more plausible to me too, that we'd actually end up with something "based on actual dinosaurs!", maybe even with "Motel of the Mysteries"-type historical misconceptions baked in, just to make them meet expectations.

theknocker 4y ago

csomar 4y ago

birds are dinosaurs. I’m not sure how much they evolved from their ancestors but I don’t think it’s much. If I were to guess Dinosaurs will live fine on the current earth.

davidw 4y ago
They had millions of years to evolve.
- csomar 4y ago
  So did many other organisms who are still with us today. I'm guessing most organisms will be fine if the basics are covered (tolerable level of oxygen and air pressure, tolerable levels of radiations).
  - jameshart 4y ago
    Evolution doesn’t work by having individual creatures keep calm and carry on just ‘putting up’ with whatever geological, climatic or atmospheric changes take place. Evolution works by having creatures that can’t handle the new situation die. Preferably before they are able to reproduce. And it may have escaped your attention, but the large non-avian dinosaurs? They all died out.

verdenti 4y ago