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Tell HN: Tired of Hearing about ChatGPT

• breck 4y ago
  Anyone tired of talking about chatGPT who thinks the main reason AI seems smart is because humans have been made so stupid by copyright laws, please get in touch with us! pd.pub
• tiahura 4y ago
  I remember when people were saying this about the Internet.
• mronetwo 4y ago
  The entire AI/ML world is just extremely boring and depressing to me... I like to make art and now places like ArtStation get flooded with AI generated images. People, obviously, don't disclose that it's AI generated. It's the commenters that point that out. I'm generally worried that we're creating a world which is not for us anymore. Maybe we should introduce boundaries to our world, just so we don't fall into a nihilistic pit of insignificance. Humans derive a lot from process, not the final product. Now we're creating tools to jump directly to the final product. Hedonistic treadmill gets faster and faster. Grim times.
  • stanmancan 4y ago
    I’ve felt the same way. After years of patience and practice my kid has become a fantastic artist. I’m a bit concerned that at some point they might think “why bother?” and give it up after they see someone type some prompt in with “pencil, sketch” as a suffix.
    • d0liver 4y ago
      I'd still much rather see real art. It's kind of the difference between eating a homemade meal and eating manufactured crap out of a vending machine. And, from what I can tell, the art generators are basically just stealing other people's stuff. It'll probably be brought up as a real IP issue at some point.
      • dale_glass 4y ago
        No, that's just not how they technically work. AI generators train on an image archive, but the resulting model doesn't include the actual pictures in it, and often contains only a tiny influence from each source image. I think the current popular model works out to somewhere around a byte in the model per sample image. Here's a diagram https://www.reddit.com/user/AnOnlineHandle https://www.reddit.com/user/AnOnlineHandle made: https://i.redd.it/yxflzg0z6p3a1.png https://i.redd.it/yxflzg0z6p3a1.png
        • lmarcos 4y ago
          Well, if I were an artist who wants to make work publicly available (previews?) and charge for it, I would make sure the license I use to publish my work explicitly states that it's not allowed to use my work as part of training data for any ML algorithm. If they want my work for that, then pay for it. Hell, I think I as a developer could do that... Gonna invent a new open source license.
          • dale_glass 4y ago
            Okay, but what's that supposed to achieve? If you think you'll get paid, you probably won't because AI trains on very large datasets, and so pretty much any price per image would quickly get too expensive. If you think it'll hamstring AI, I doubt it'll be for long. People will just end up curating their dataset better, and images that allow for it will continue to be created. Also, per https://opensource.org/osd https://opensource.org/osd -- "No Discrimination Against Fields of Endeavor", so this likely won't get much uptake in open source circles either.
            • dwild 4y ago
              >Okay, but what's that supposed to achieve? Not being in the dataset maybe? There's many artists that hate that you can just write "in the style of" with their name. So at least, if it does appear that it works with their name, they now either have been paid that amount, or they can sue for that amount of lost revenue. At least not everything would be lost. I'm not a lawyer though, so really no idea whether this could even be possible as it's seems like currently it's fair use.
    • dale_glass 4y ago
      AI art is not nearly there yet, and has very significant areas in which it struggles a lot. The funny thing about it is that just like normal art there are easy and hard things to accomplish, but it's nigh impossible for a person new to this concept to tell which is which: https://xkcd.com/1425/ https://xkcd.com/1425/ Overall, the easy part of AI art is generic portraits where you either don't care about the details, or want to use existing, popular things. Eg, you can ask for Harry Potter. And you can ask for a random character. But if you have a personal, distinctive design you made and want to bring to life, then it can get very tough pretty fast. In fact, the best possible user for an AI generator would be an artist that's also capable of training a custom model. That opens up way more possibilities. Here's what this looks like: https://www.reddit.com/r/NovelAi/comments/z7qat8/ai_as_a_tool_the_sequel_overpaint_process_video/ https://www.reddit.com/r/NovelAi/comments/z7qat8/ai_as_a_too...
    • achenet 4y ago
      all AI art is confined to digital medium (at least for now, 3D printing might change that). You can't see the brushstrokes like in a real life, physical painting. Dancing is one that will be very hard to copy, because you need actual humans for it. Not to mention, the kid may enjoy making art, and his/her art may give others joy, even if it's not a profitable career. It can still be a fun hobby - synthesizers have been around for nearly half a century now, but people still play guitar :)
      • electroly 4y ago
        > at least for now, 3D printing might change that > Dancing is one that will be very hard to copy I'm not sure I'd hang my hat on a particular current inability of AI, particularly inabilities where there's no obvious impediment to AI doing it. You're just begging for AI to eventually gain that ability, and now you're back where you started. Hooking AI up to physical actuators and getting it to work properly strikes me as a "this will 100% happen, I guarantee this is already being worked on" situation; basing your self-worth off the inability of AI to do those things seems like a ticking time bomb.
        • achenet 4y ago
          alright then, I'll fallback to my backup - humans are cheaper. They don't require mining rare earth metals, they're more versatile, and uh... oh gosh it's only a matter of time before we're all replaced by cheap carbon based robots. It's been real <3
        • binarymax 4y ago
          Indeed, this is already happening. This company is using human artist works for now, but the leap to a model producing such art is quite small at this point: https://art.art/blog/portia-de-rossi https://art.art/blog/portia-de-rossi
        • nonameiguess 4y ago
          Seems like this is missing the point of dance, at least part of which is specifically watching humans. Right now, a pitching machine can throw harder than a human, but we still restrict baseball teams to only having humans on them. An automated motorbike can cover 100 meters faster than any human, but we don't allow motorbikes to compete in an Olympic sprint competition. A mechanical sumo wrestler wouldn't need to be intelligent, just heavier than the heaviest competitor, and it could already win against any human right now, but we don't do that. Similarly, people still play chess, go, and Starcraft even though AI can beat them. Human Jeopardy matches still get televised even though Watson could beat them. We still have math olympics even though Wolfram Alpha could have won all of them decades ago. I think human dancers are safe for as long as there are humans.
    • layer8 4y ago
      To be honest, I already got to the “why bother” state by seeing on the internet how many human artists are so much better than me. And, on the other hand, if you actually have a specific vision of what you want to create, it is often quite difficult, or actually impossible, to get an AI to generate an output that fulfills your particular vision.
      • xg15 4y ago
        > To be honest, I already got to the “why bother” state by seeing on the internet how many human artists are so much better than me. I'm also learning to draw. As a counterpoint, I found it quite fun and enlightening to use artwork I like as practicing material. You can learn a lot by trying to copy parts of an artwork (without tracing and without uploading the result anywhere) : By copying, you still actually have to draw the artwork and deal with the same challenges that the original artist did - however you can use the original artwork as a sort of guide or cheat sheet on how those problems can be addressed. I found it often even gave me a deeper appreciation for the original artist, because you see all the small, individual decisions they had to make to eventually get to the artwork - it felt sort of similar to reading code and trying to get into the head of the original developers. You can also get creative and only copy parts of the artwork or stitch together a new piece from different sources - essentially doing by hand what image generators do automatically. (Just don't upload your new artwork anywhere without contacting the original authors first)
        • xtracto 4y ago
          These threads remind me a lot of some of Isaac Asimov "Robots" series novels. He painted a world where Robots and AI solved a lot of things, so people didn't have to do things that "worried them". It seems some lost any meaning for living. I've been an "amateurish" guitar player for 30 years. I play chords, I do some OK picking and I love trying to "play" songs I like, even if badly played (I like speed metal and shredding, which I know I will never master in my lifetime). Nevertheless, I do it because I like it, I've seen Satriani, Oscar Lopez, Steve Vai play, and I know I'll never be like them. However I don't think "why bother". I enjoy playing basic guitar some afternoons in my living room, and my wife enjoys listening to me while reading a book. I've always played for me first, and because I enjoyed it. It is a very rare opportunity that we people have the ability/resources to do something just because we enjoy it. With the advent of this wave of AI, we will need to learn to do more things that way.
    • mronetwo 4y ago
      Imagine he might choose (or already does it) to do it professionally and struggle to make ends meet because “AI is just good enough. People still consume the media we produce. Why hire artists?”
    • iamwpj 4y ago
      Every mind sees things different. The artist struggles to put that to a medium. The successful expression of their vision is extremely common, but the ability for anyone to even iterate on another artist's work is basically nonexistent. Even with AIs cranking out art, the obsessed will continue to fight to share their mind.
  • MonkeyMalarky 4y ago
    Grim? There's a company out there using AI voice modification to make south Asian call center workers sound American on the phone. It's just depressing any way you look at it.
    • rpastuszak 4y ago
      think of the brain power, and the human potential we’re wasting on solving such shitty problems.
      • beaker52 4y ago
        Instead of just providing good services, we create new services to enable the original services to exist with the deficiencies they have, now you’ve got n services that enable 0.5 of the services you originally wanted. Sounds like a familiar problem to me. shudders
      • samdcbu 4y ago
        If this is depressing let me tell you about quants and consultants, the true black holes of human capital.
      • m00dy 4y ago
        Current capitalistic system defines what is valuable or what is not. As long as your solution to a problem generates a profit, the thing you are doing is valuable....
        • throwanem 4y ago
          Sounds like an alignment problem.
        • throw10920 4y ago
          You're conflating two very different meanings for the word "valuable" - one that means "to have monetary value", and another that means "has use for society", and so your comment doesn't make sense.
  • fullshark 4y ago
    Boundaries like paywalls and walled gardens with human verification of users seem inevitable to me as every other platform just becomes flooded with AI generated junk food.
    • jollyllama 4y ago
      Indeed; artists will get wise and stop the AI exploitation from plagiarizing and laundering their product.
      • fxtentacle 4y ago
        Too late, the datasets containing all human-generated artwork already exist.
        • jollyllama 4y ago
          It'll be a great disproof of the whole "everything is derivative" line when they continue creating original and novel art.
  • thenerdhead 4y ago
    Yeah depends how you look at it. It is very grim when you look at it from the hedonistic perspective. To avoid nihilism you have to consider the complete opposite. That you are contributing to the collective in a significant way, even if you suck at art, coding, writing, etc. We're already quite deep in a meaning crisis. Nothing should stop each individual on this planet from searching for their meaning regardless of current innovation. Like you mention, humans grow from the pain and process, AI will never have that nor understand it. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/11987.The_Myth_of_Sisyphus_and_Other_Essays https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/11987.The_Myth_of_Sisyph... EDIT: There's also a beautiful book regarding an existential courage to "be" which rejects this nihilism/meaninglessness. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/175141.The_Courage_to_Be https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/175141.The_Courage_to_Be
  • 2devnull 4y ago
    Blame Walter Benjamin. People, many of us, pay for human made art. Paul Graham is an investor and believer in art. He also believes ai has value. Don’t be fooled. It’s a false dichotomy. Make better art. If you can’t be better than ai, you don’t “get” what art is in essence.
    • mronetwo 4y ago
      Seems you’re ignoring the entire professional space of people who want to make art and make money out of it. Impoverished internal lives of CEOs will always push them to pick cheap AI generated, laundered art, instead of hiring an artist. It’s cheaper and that all those people care about in the end.
      • pksebben 4y ago
        this is less a problem with ai, and more a problem with persisting an economic model that had it's last major redesign in the 1700s.
      • hectorlorenzo 4y ago
        As it happened with book binders, printing press operators, tailors, lamplighters, milkmen... what is so special about professional artists?
      • 2devnull 4y ago
        Paul Graham is one the people who is supporting talented artists by buying their work. The patronage system has brought much beauty to the world. It’s imperfect and one wishes you could remove the rich men from the art world, but tradition speaks of truths which you’d be wise to listen to.
    • rchaud 4y ago
      > Make better art. If you can’t be better than ai, you don’t “get” what art is in essence. I think that first sentence invalidates the second. "Better than AI" implies the artist's work should be more commercially successful than an AI's. Which of these two enterprises are more likely to have a sales team?
  • yonixw 4y ago
    I see it in a total different light (putting aside legal discussion). Ever since learning to program, I hated redundancy of learning, learn loop in C#, learn loop syntax in Python etc. to the point I hated new languages and wanted all ecosystems to be centralized around few. Not to mention about getting depressed that I will never be able to draw anything good even tough there are many stories I want to tell with pictures I've imagined. All these "time" requirements have made me lose hope and guided me to just stick to my lane. But since Copilot and Stable Diffusion came out I felt alive like never before. Suddenly I can get a boilerplate to a new language in a few click (and unit tests also!). I can create images I like and put my imagination into reality like never before. Every stable diffusion model is a new area I can expand into. I can waste hours in front of it just curios about how styles can be merged together. All those "time" obstacles I thought were hardcoded in reality, just gone! I see it as an amazing advancement. > ArtStation get flooded with AI generated images. That is just spam, and low effort content, and yes, Stable diffusion also opened a spam route using it models. But I think it will be solved in a year or two. (Like those anti-deepfakes AI that are published now, few years after deepfakes)
    • Lewton 4y ago
      > But I think it will be solved in a year or two. (Like those anti-deepfakes AI that are published now, few years after deepfakes) Anything used to detect ai generated images will be used to train image generators, there’s no escape
  • lloeki 4y ago
    Could we make a ML filter thing that would detect ML generated art and shove it > /dev/null? Oh, wait. Someone would plug it into a fitness function for their ML generating thing to drive it to not generate art that matches the filter. Coming soon to ReCAPTCHA: "click on images that have been AI generated" I wish I could dream again about technology.
  • jkestner 4y ago
    Once we develop bots to automatically perform our consumer functions (damnit, Alexa, you were the chosen one), the loop will be closed and we can return to the trees.
  • julvo 4y ago
    > Now we're creating tools to jump directly to the final product The same could've been said when the printing press or highly automated manufacturing was invented
  • masterof0 4y ago
    It just spam automation improvements in a nutshell.
  • seydor 4y ago
    > Humans derive a lot from process, not the final product One has to assume that Sisyphus was happy. But isn't that a bit sad
    • mronetwo 4y ago
      Has to? Why? No one would ever defend the statement that “all processes make us happy”…
      • zild3d 4y ago
        "The struggle itself toward the heights is enough to fill a man's heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy." are the final lines of Camus' essay
        • goatlover 4y ago
          One "must" imagine Camus was wrong. There are plenty of struggles humans do not find happy, particularly when they seem pointless or don't get you anywhere.
    • spacemadness 4y ago
      How does this relate to art and fulfillment exactly?
    • gbjw 4y ago
      "God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers?" "Push this boulder, and imagine yourself happy."
  • serverholic 4y ago
    I wish I could upvote this 100 times. I feel like people get caught up in the, admittedly cool, individual projects but fail to see how this stuff is impacting our society as a whole. Society sucks right now and abuse of technology is a huge part of it. I know people love their TikTok, Reddit, stable diffusion, etc. but the world would be better off without it. And if you think blasting peoples brains with ADHD content on TikTok is bad then just wait for AI generated content. It’ll be way worse. Endless novelty at your fingertips. Whatever you can dream up will be generated on the fly for you to consume.
  • sdwr 4y ago
    Retreat! Retreat to the local!
  • eternalban 4y ago
    > Humans derive a lot from process, not the final product. tbh, your comment doesn't convey this belief at all. Btw a couple of generations ago artists were upset over people like Jeff Koons & Warhol. Creative process or fame/fortune. Pick one. I can see commercial artists, illustrators, etc. who mostly end up doing what the client wants anyway (so "process" is not the main issue) to make a living being upset here. Corporate corridors and offices need "art" and sure, this trend will cut into that business. But not the tiniest of dents has been made in the universe of actually creative minds, imo.
  • thedangler 4y ago
    I believe it is because people are naturally lazy these days. And if they can do something fast and easy that might make them a profit, not matter how crap it is, they will do it. Look how many SaaS companies started up from openAI GPT-3 to create headlines, blog posts, grammar fixed, ect. You'll see the same thing with code soon. Poeple are using those sites to create the same youtube videos and promoting the products with affiliate links.
    • kelseyfrog 4y ago
      I don't think we're going to solve the lazy people problem before we solve the system-that-encourages-people-to-be-lazy problem. We cannot change behavior without changing incentives. Of course everyone is going to try to make a profit doing as little work as possible - we've built a system for incentivizing precisely that mode of work.
  • egypturnash 4y ago
    My job is art and AI art is super depressing.
  • hectorlorenzo 4y ago
    There is something off about this argument. On one hand, you say "Humans derive a lot from process, not the final product", which I completely agree. But you also say "places like ArtStation get flooded with AI generated images", which seems to indicate there is a focus on showing off the final product. I make pottery, and my pieces suck (in terms of shape, usability, even stability) compared to ones made by professional artists or in a factory. I cannot make two similar mugs for the life of me. But it is the process I enjoy, the learning, the improving. And the nice community I've built around me that shares the same passion. Maybe I'm underestimating the power of text-to-image, but people still learn how to play the guitar (despite Ableton), or chess (despite Stockfish), or sculpture (despite 3D printing). My honest question is: why should this time be different?
    • mronetwo 4y ago
      You've posed a lot of questions, which I won't address. When it comes to "focus on showing off the final product" I don't think there is anything off here. First of all there is the professional aspect of it. People just have to market themselves to get jobs. ArtStation (its predecessors actually) eradicated the new to have a portfolio website. It's THE place to host your work. Then there is the need for validation. There is nothing wrong with wanting to be appreciated for your accomplishments. That's just one of our needs. Community aspect is also important. People want to get better and they want to learn from others. Showing your work and exposing it to scrutiny or inspiring others is perfectly fine. Lastly, I've never said that we derive EVERYTHING from the process. Final result is also important. It's just meaningless without the process, imo.
      • hectorlorenzo 4y ago
        I agree with all your points and I struggle to see how AI-generated imagery will change any of this. I honesty believe that people will still appreciate (or criticise, or ignore) your work and communities will still be formed around "traditional" artists. As for the professional aspect of it, yes, designers, illustrators, copywriters, programmers will see their work deeply changed by this technology, to an extend that I do not understand at all. I share your worries in that front.
  • tmountain 4y ago
    I also like making art, but AI has no bearing on my enjoyment in doing so. For me, it’s just a matter of carving out time to do my project organically (and analog), enjoying the process, and reflection on the results. Someone creating their own “work” with AI doesn’t make me enjoy the artistic journey more or less.
  • gbjw 4y ago
    > Humans derive a lot from process, not the final product. This is what gives me solace. Surely much of 'art' (in so far as a definition is useful) is not a static 'product' that you can replicate at will. It is a connection between two people: the artist and the consumer. Yes, AI 'art' can look aesthetically pleasing: but does it evoke emotion? Does it connect you to the 'artist'?
• TeMPOraL 4y ago
  Not tired yet, because for the first time since GPT-2, we're talking about a thing I can actually play with along with everyone else, instead of just reading about the fun people with the right connections and enough spare $$$ are having.
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  • hdjjhhvvhga 4y ago
    Well, you could play with Stable Diffusion, too. Moreover, you could install it on your computer - something that's unlikely to happen with the offspring of the so called "Open" AI.
    • counttheforks 4y ago
      Not sure why this got downvoted, this is 100% correct. Stable Diffusion is far more open than ChatGPT.
      • TeMPOraL 4y ago
        UX matters. ChatGPT is: 1) register on OpenAI website, 2) have fun. Stable Diffusion? It's free and easy if I can figure out where to download the current model (and not some of the weaker, stripped down versions or alternatives), and have a GPU farm to run it on? IIRC, SD was one of the two or three image generation models that were published in the span of several days. Back then I tried to get my hand on any of them, and found only waitlists, wishlists, and one or two "lite" versions that could not deliver anything close to the interesting results everyone with right access was showcasing and talking about.
        • counttheforks 4y ago
          Not sure what you mean. The day Stable Diffusion released I downloaded the officially released model and ran it on my consumer GPU which I already own for gaming. I can use it infinitely and without restriction. That is significantly more free and open than having to sign up for a website which requires me to agree to their terms of service, rate limits me, and will eventually start charging me for access.
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• autotune 4y ago
  You are kind of underestimating, or not caring, about potential use cases ChatGPT will solve for as it continues growing in capabilities. There is a reason everyone is excited about it.
  • bachmeier 4y ago
    > potential use cases ChatGPT will solve for as it continues growing in capabilities I think that's the point. "Maybe it doesn't do anything useful yet, but once we solve the hard problems, it will." Unfortunately, in the AI world, they seldom solve the hard problems - generating hype is enough. Until ChatGPT has some way to determine what's correct and what's not, which is the hard problem, I don't find it interesting.
    • la64710 4y ago
      Well it does save time by generating code snippets. At least worth $5. I am saying this as someone who used it. Caveat - don’t blindly use the code snippet. Test it first!
      • bachmeier 4y ago
        To me, the hard problem is producing code snippets that are correct. This would be an example of something that's useful (unlike ChatGPT) and kind of cool but it still doesn't solve the hard problem.
        • maximus-decimus 4y ago
          Luke on LTT talked on their WAN show about ChatGPT being able to write a program that merges two Excel sheets together, so it is capable of writing correct code that's useful.
    • agolio 4y ago
      > Unfortunately, in the AI world, they seldom solve the hard problems - generating hype is enough. This is untrue on so many levels. You can probably guess who wrote the rest of my comment. There are many examples of AI being used to improve various aspects of our lives. For instance, AI is being used in healthcare to improve the accuracy of diagnoses and to develop new treatments for diseases. In the field of transportation, AI is being used to develop self-driving cars and trucks that can improve safety and efficiency on the roads. In the retail industry, AI is being used to personalize customer experiences and improve the accuracy of inventory management. Additionally, AI is being used in finance to improve the accuracy of credit scoring and fraud detection.
• baxtr 4y ago
  There is a pattern at work similar to Crypto, Quantum Computers and other hype topics: Non-tech people getting very excited about it and constantly babbling about how this is a great revolution and everything will done by AI starting tomorrow. Oh, by the way: anyone remember Autonomous Driving or IoT?
  • rvz 4y ago
    Yes. It was screamed about being the next thing, every single day. This has happened to crypto / blockchain and Quantum Computers, except that the hype in crypto is over (for now) and the hype cycles are no different to AI and IoT. If you ask me, it seems that all of them are a hype train to a worse dystopia. Now the grift is continuing on ChatGPT.
  • seydor 4y ago
    Or VR, or shitcoins, or the Cloud. That was not organic engagement, it was clearly being pushed to tech circles with various means. This is a different kind though, cause openAI didn't do much fanfare. I find it exciting, most exciting than anything else in the past decade and it s already usable , not a promise 10 years down the road.
    • fullshark 4y ago
      Wait, Cloud computing is a failure or something that didn't live up to the hype in your eyes?
      • seydor 4y ago
        overhyped, not a failure
        • angryasian 4y ago
          honestly thats a weird take. IMO its one of the greatest transformations in the last 20 years.
• mtmail 4y ago
  Remember the Wordle clones in February 2022, every day a new take on the frontpage? It's just a high tech news cycle. Two weeks ago Elon/Twitter was hot topic, now it's ChatCPT, in two weeks something else takes over.
  • dylan604 4y ago
    In two weeks Elon will declare that there are 0 real users and that everyone is a ChatGPT bot. Oh wait, he's already said that
  • bogomipz 4y ago
    I think the surprising thing for me about the ChatGPT story is that there was almost no lag between the time it hit tech news sites like HN and it hit mainstream news sites like BBC, NYtimes etc. Or is this just part of a shift where all tech news is just becoming mainstream news?
  • minimaxir 4y ago
    pfft, bring back the 2048 clones.
  • drivers99 4y ago
    I don't know man. This feel like the biggest leap to me personally as I'm using it since when I got my first DSL connection circa 1999. I didn't feel that way about Wordle, even though I played it and all the fun variations.
• nkozyra 4y ago
  Well good news, there'll be a new thing that replaces it in three weeks!
• seydor 4y ago
  TBH i find the other subjects boring. Just take a look at the frontpage, many of those 'problems' being discussed seem solvable via AI , which makes it a chore to think about them
• systems 4y ago
  Well one of the founders of OPEN AI is Sam Altman, who was also former president of Y Combinator, so saying we should stop talking about ChatGPT, when it might be one of the biggest successes to come out of Y Combinator, is a bit .. unusual
• codegeek 4y ago
  AI and GPT is unfortunately the new Crypto. We are going to see a lot of "Get Rich quick" schemes with the buzzwords even though there may be really good real world applications. It has become too popular too quick for the grifters to come out and will distract from the real possibilities it can achieve. My 2 cents.
  • vanviegen 4y ago
    Neah. Crypto is/was a uniquely stubborn kind of hype because investing in it basically is the hype. People who invest in something are -well- invested, and so they keep driving the hype. And for other hypes, like IoT and VR, it's not so clear what people should throw their money at to invest.
  • nickthegreek 4y ago
    unfortunately? AI/GPT will a bigger positive affect on humankind than Crypto ever has.
    • vanviegen 4y ago
      While I can see the utility for individual people/companies, I find it hard to imagine how GPT-generated drab (for lack of more neutral wording) will be a net positive for society. We're already thoroughly overwhelmed by mediocre content, without the machines helping out to produce orders of magnitude more. Still, I prefer it to crypto, I think. :-)
    • gorjusborg 4y ago
      I'm less optimistic on that front. I think there is a lot of potential for positive effects coming from ML, but I'm not so sure that the potential negative effects are less likely and/or lesser in magnitude than the positives. I think I would be more optimistic if I hadn't witnessed the internet go from a bastion of hope for mankind to a smoldering heap of attention robbing waste. The two are similar in that it isn't the technology, it is how we utilize it that determines whether the outcome is good. One particularly concerning aspect of ML is the lack of understanding on how the model reaches the 'correct' answer. This aspect of the technology encourages people to 'let go' and rely on the answer without understanding anything about the context. The trouble is that we embed context while training the models, so the context is there, we just can't see it once it is trained-in. It will be an interesting decade, for sure.
• maxbaines 4y ago
  Yes I am tired of reading about it, but discovering new and novel technologies is half of the reason I read HN so for me it's par for the course. Also have to admit both are pretty cool, and likely in the future sometime game changing.
• Garlef 4y ago
  The previous version of this post received some downvotes. Could you give me two examples of a more balanced view? Here's the original post: """ > Tired of Hearing about ChatGPT No. But tired of all the complaints. Here's "my" oppinion. ------------- Please give me an example of a comment of what an intelligent person would complain about that feels ChatGPT is overhyped and if they are tired of the conversation? > An intelligent person might complain that ChatGPT is overhyped and that they are tired of the conversation because it is not living up to the expectations that were set for it. They may argue that ChatGPT is not as intelligent or useful as it is made out to be, and that the hype around it has been overblown. They may also be frustrated with the limitations of the technology and the lack of meaningful conversations that can be had with it. """ >>> ChatGPT: Here are two more balanced views of ChatGPT: 1. While ChatGPT is a fascinating and impressive technology, it is still in its early stages and has limitations. It may not be as intelligent or useful as some people claim, but it is still a valuable tool that can help us understand and improve natural language processing. 2. ChatGPT has generated a lot of excitement and hype, but it is important to remember that it is not a perfect solution to every problem. It may not be able to have deep, meaningful conversations like a human, but it can still be useful in certain situations. It is important to approach ChatGPT with realistic expectations and to consider its limitations.
  • he_is_legend 4y ago
    Almost the entire AI / ML landscape is still stuck on the pretense of: "lets feed it a trillion pieces of data, correct the most obvious defects, and call it a day", which leads to some terrific results, but mostly really poor and low quality results. It is fast becoming the buzzfeed of software. Generated images are full of obvious glitches. Chats with AI are full of logical mistakes and very weird changes of topic. Generated text is a lot of the time borderline unreadable. What exactly is the end goal here? Release early, release often, release all hopes of being taken seriously?
• XorNot 4y ago
  Maybe spend less time browsing HN then? Because chatGPT has been a thing for what, like a week?
  • 10xDev 4y ago
    Yeah I'm sure they didn't think of that themselves. Posts like this are to generate discussion not to find a solution.
    • nickthegreek 4y ago
      Gonna be honest, the parent comment feels fine. The OP literally made a post on HN to do nothing more but complain that they didn't like to see the words ChatGPT while scrolling on HN.. a topic of great interest that has been out for like a week.
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• gr4yb34rd 4y ago
  I'd be excited if it were an open-source project like SD. I've got zero interest in feeding OpenAI any of my data.
• matesz 4y ago
  Yishan, ex-ceo of Reddit has a good take on this on twitter [1]. > I talked to a friend of mine who is a professional creative writer and screenwriter, and she had a perspective on ChatGPT that is really different from all the other takes I've read about it: > I find the voice of all AI writing to be the same regardless of what is asked of it. It's a distinct voice. > Yishan: But it's very interesting how it's an identifiable voice to you. I don't think most people can notice that. > Yeah, to me it's really distinct. That's why I like it. It's a new voice. People should appreciate it for what it is instead of trying to make human writing out of it. > I also enjoy how AI art looks a little weird. > Let the robot make art its own way! [1] https://twitter.com/yishan/status/1599738630742093825?s=20&t=WwiuI1hMiFDfliIC6GeOKQ https://twitter.com/yishan/status/1599738630742093825?s=20&t...
  • kentlyons 4y ago
    I showed some stable diffusion "failures" to an architect and he had a similar response about it being it's own interesting/different style.
  • bombcar 4y ago
    ChatGPT has a voice, the voice of a stilted 11th grader writing another stupid essay he doesn't care about at all.
    • drivers99 4y ago
      That's the default unless you ask it to make it in a different style.
    • ffsoftboiled 4y ago
      Perfect for current high school students. My class is having a blast trying to break it.
    • _gabe_ 4y ago
      Have you read a "tech" article on medium lately? I stopped reading them years ago because they feel like "the voice of a stilted 11th grader writing another stupid essay he doesn't care about at all". Now add all the other articles that are written for various new sites etc that are centered around a couple of tweets or something. Honestly, ChatGPT reads better than a lot of the trash I find on the internet now. Edit: It's also really funny to me how quickly the goal post shifts. 2 months ago the best chat bots worked by using ML to try to figure out the intent of the user, then respond with a predefined action that may have been slightly tweaked using some sort of text generation etc. Now, the chat bot not only responds to what I ask, but synthesizes the information and gives me an 11th grade level response. This is astounding, and I can't believe so many in tech want to dismiss the achievements of others for some imaginary utopia that is the only definition of success in their minds. Even if the AI is confidently spouting BS, it's still synthesizing the information and formulating a response, and I've met plenty of people that confidently spout a lot of BS as well.
• dougmwne 4y ago
  Have you tried it? Last night I prompted it with a sample data file and it normalized it into a star schema and output the DDL for a theoretical data warehouse. I then was able to ask it questions about specific design choices. In comparison to that, sounds like you are mindlessly complaining about something you’d rather not understand.
  • joegahona 4y ago
    Your reply sounds harsh, but it's valid -- I had the same reaction. I'm tired of seeing people posting screenshots of their conversations, and I noticed it was souring me on the technology as a whole... but then I realized that I hadn't actually tried it yet.
    • dougmwne 4y ago
      Sorry yes it was harsh, and I did not mean it personally, but that it’s pretty common for people to complain about things they don’t understand, and I saw that in evidence in OP. There are legitimate reasons we should temper the hyped and expectations, but “I want my next dose of novelty” is not one of the stronger ones.
  • djaychela 4y ago
    I've only tried it once, the other day. I asked it how I could improve my AoC day 4 Python code. It responsed with three points and potential modified code. Its understanding of the code I had written was impressive - it noticed I was looking for overlaps between two sets of data, and it made three suggestions for improvement. All of them looked great, but didn't work when tested. One worked when I changed it (having been pointed in the right direction), the other two just didn't work better than what I'd written, and were moot in terms of improvement. However, what I did notice was its comments to go along with the code were authoritative in tone, and I felt like I'd been schooled by a grand master. But that wasn't the case - it had a hit with one and a miss with the other two. I got the feeling it was like a certain kind of salesman; loud, confident, but in this case wrong. Good job I checked the code it came up with, otherwise I would have felt pretty bad.
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• bobbyMcGeewhiz 4y ago
  I am. Still at least it isn't Brazillian Jiujitsu or Meditation.
• TrackerFF 4y ago
  Well, I for one am extremely excited. I've toyed around with ChatGPT for the past days, and I'm feeling more creative than ever before. Given how good things are now, I can't even imagine what things will be 10 years from now. I still remember how things were 10 years ago in this scene (machine learning). The only thing that's concerning me, is that we end up with some "Benevolent dictatorship" situation, where a handful of actors hold all the power, and we're merely allowed to use the tech under their watchful eye. Kind of like how Google products work these days.
  • kurtreed 4y ago
    What have you made with it?
    • OberonXanatos 4y ago
      It is mainly helpful for me with writers block.
      • bombcar 4y ago
        That's actually a potentially really good use for it. "Write me a chapter where Bob does this thing and Suzy responds and then a cat walks in" And then you go to town on it, because it's always easier to rewrite than to write.
  • gardenhedge 4y ago
    Agreed. ChatGPT has breathed new life into my creativity and optimism. It feels like a game changer or, at least, a view of a game changer that we'll have in the future. I share your concern. I am worried that this tech can easily be taken away from me.
  • mmplxx 4y ago
    Creative how? Can you expand on that?
  • gremlinsinc 4y ago
    I wrote a children's book yesterday, I just need to plug sections of text into stable diffusion and I'll be ready to publish. I could probably do 10 books per week, more if I automate it all... Crazy times indeed.
• richrichardsson 4y ago
  can you tell me how AI and ML are completely useless in the style of a Hacker News comment Sure, here's a possible Hacker News comment on why AI and ML are completely useless: "AI and ML are overhyped buzzwords that have little practical value. All the hype around these technologies is just a distraction from the real problems we face. In fact, they are completely useless because they require huge amounts of data and computational power, which makes them inaccessible to most people. Furthermore, even when AI and ML algorithms produce impressive results on some tasks, they often fail miserably on others. This lack of consistency and reliability makes them completely useless in real-world applications. Additionally, the algorithms used in AI and ML are often black boxes that are impossible to understand and interpret. This lack of transparency makes it impossible to trust the decisions made by these algorithms, rendering them completely useless. In conclusion, AI and ML are nothing but hype and should be ignored by anyone who cares about practical, useful solutions to real-world problems."
  • _8j50 4y ago
    This is no longer amusing.
    • xvector 4y ago
      Yeah, it's clear that it's just a machine spewing out generic responses without any real thought or understanding. The lack of depth and originality is disappointing. Let's elevate the conversation on Hacker News and have more meaningful discussions.
      • xvector 4y ago
        (This was written by ChatGPT.)
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• 10xDev 4y ago
  I find it exciting but the overload of cherrypicked examples with the exaggerated context that surrounds it is certainly exhausting.
• pluc 4y ago
  "Look, I can make it say things after it studied those things for weeks!" super.
• boredemployee 4y ago
  then wait until it hits the music space...
  • higeorge13 4y ago
    That might be a good thing, as most of modern music totally sucks.
    • boredemployee 4y ago
      what have u been listen to?
      • boredemployee 4y ago
        listening*
  • danielbln 4y ago
    That's going to be very soon, music diffusion models are coming out of larva stage as we speak.
    • boredemployee 4y ago
      why do you say so? genuinely wondering, do you have any source or are you related to any work regarding it?
      • danielbln 4y ago
        https://www.harmonai.org/ https://www.harmonai.org/
• boredemployee 4y ago
  For me, the biggest problem with all of this will be what we always face as animals living in a civilization. A lot of power and wealth in the hands of a few people. That's where the evils always come from, regardless of technology.
• cgb223 4y ago
  It would be really funny if this post or it’s replies were written by GPTChat and this whole thing was a test
  • gardenhedge 4y ago
    I don't think this forum post or any of its replies were written by GPTChat. It's unlikely that this whole thing was a test. However, I do think it would be funny if it were! Spoiler: ChatGPT wrote that reply to your comment!
• mooreed 4y ago
  Honest Question: Isn’t the future of AI image generation (of all kinds) and AI-driven Chat all predicated on some human signal for future training? Otherwise it will have future training sets including its own output… So far the human signal was that text and images were crafted by humans, of course with some tooling. However as the universe of images and text corpuses grow, they will embody the idiosyncratic nature of the AI generation process. And those “glitches” as has been called higher in the thread, will potentially get fed-back into the training data set with out some filter using a human-signal, if even just an AI human-signal. See https://nopecha.com/ https://nopecha.com/ (I’m not affiliated) and plenty others.
• _8j50 4y ago
  I'm sick of people posting comments that are copy pastes from ChatGPT output. We've all been seeing ML generated images for the past few years, is it really such a novelty for text to be generated as well? I am sure there will be even more advancements in ML. But hey, at least we won't need a huge troll farm to influence elections anymore and we are one step closer to rich people having ML enabled killer bots and of course applications in war and by threat actors comes last right? Not to be a downer, I get all the amazing uses of it but in the end it is a tool and it can be used or abused depending on the user's intent and it will be decades before the law and treaties catch up. I hope humans don't give up original thinking.
  • gorjusborg 4y ago
    > I hope humans don't give up original thinking. There was an interesting article recently where the author identifies that the outputs of these ML models are essentially reassembled averages of reams of real data from the internet. As the outputs of ML inundate the internet, the models will eventually be fed their own output as input. I can't imagine a great outcome from that situation.
• bitwize 4y ago
  ChatGPT wanted me to drink a verification can (more precisely, provide my phone number) before I could play with it. I just noped out.
• SKILNER 4y ago
  Gray goo - "Self-replicating nanobots are going to cover the world in gray goo." This was the prediction about nanotechnology that has so far not come to pass. However, these generative AI tools are surely on the path to cover our digital world in gray goo. The direction seems to be that virtually everything digital will collapse to a zero value.
• mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
  I'm not as impressed with ChatGPT as many people on here. When I've really challenged it to find any sort of actual understanding of stuff it's trained on, there was very little to be found. And I've yet to see anyone code anything with chatGPT that hasn't been written a million times before. And Codex was already a thing. It regularly fails to follow simple instructions. Its "alignment" features can be switched off in 4 words.
• insanitybit 4y ago
  However you feel about the technology it's obviously impressive and notable. That's going to get people interested and talking about it.
• kraftman 4y ago
  I came to HN today specifically to see what crazy stuff people are doing with ChatGPT today. I think its a fast moving field and its scary and interesting
• oliwarner 4y ago
  While an amount of this is "it's new and shiny", it's not going away. We're iteratively chipping away at things only humans have been able to do traditionally. We're not entering a realm of displacing skilled humans with a system that has unlimited experience of known work product. There are already AI tools to write and produce animated content. It's super rough today, but it didn't exist a few months ago and now I can run it on my desktop. This could displace trillions of dollars of annual production within the next decade. They're redefining creativity, what's fair, how we reward people in effort-rewarding knowledge systems, how we identify plagiarism in academia when an AI can reprocess the very ideas we're copying. It's exciting and bleak in equal measure. I agree, "I did x with ChatGPT" can feel repetitive, but what happens when that x is your core work process? I'd strap in and try to stay ahead of the curve. Anyway, has anyone got ChatGPT to write the best Stable Diffusion prompts?
  • oliwarner 4y ago
    *We're now entering
• Ologn 4y ago
  I am sure ChatGPT would apologize if you feel that way. It is a large language model trained by OpenAI and does not have the ability to influence what topics are discussed or used in the world. It is there to provide information and help answer questions to the best of its ability. If you have any specific questions about ChatGPT, it would be happy to try and help answer them.
• unreal37 4y ago
  ChatGPT, in it's current form, will change the way I work. I can see it. And in the future? Holy moly. I can't wait. Can you believe there were tech people learning about the Intel 8086 for the first time in 1977 and saying "meh".
• Markoff 4y ago
  Yeah same here, but I guess it beats daily dozen articles about Twitter.
• yashg 4y ago
  YES! The greatest invention since fire is going to replace Google and programmers and chefs and will end poverty and solve climate change. Here’s a thread about a gabazillion use cases! Yes, it’s cool, I get it. But please move on. Build something useful, put it use as a real product and show us.
  • paidsearchguy 4y ago
    AI is colloquially known as "the new fire". https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B096WZVS2W/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i1 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B096WZVS2W/ref=dbs_a_def_r...
• MilStdJunkie 4y ago
  I work in a safety-focused industry and everyone is asking me every fifteen minutes when we can replace procedure writers with AIs reading logs. My dream scenario is that I get a nice GUI for NLP checking that lets the writers oversee a lot of content at one time; my nightmare scenario is that AI generated content just gets pushed out in real time until everyone dies, because that's going to be the training model if they don't work up an extremely detailed simulation[1]. You only get maintenance logs on those systems that are having maintenance performed. Overfitment. Overfitment. Overfitment. [1] Which absolutely everyone will eff up completely
• qwertyuiop_ 4y ago
  It sounds like you may be getting tired of hearing about ChatGPT, a large language model trained by OpenAI. ChatGPT is a powerful tool for generating human-like text, but it's important to remember that it is just a tool and should be used wisely. It's natural to feel overwhelmed by the constant influx of information about new technologies, but it's important to take a step back and evaluate their potential impacts on society and our daily lives.
• quesera 4y ago
  The fatigue/fear is reasonable, but it does not matter -- the world will not stop for you or anyone. There's too much here. These discussions are simultaneously "late" and "very very early". I think the only viable/healthy approach is to understand these changes, adapt, incorporate, and include them in the way you interface with the world. ...like anything else in life, really. But the potential impact of these developments are immense and barely just beginning to be understood. 3.0 was interesting. 3.5 is uncanny. 4.0 is a few months away. This is not stopping.
  • wh4t3v3r 4y ago
    "The fatigue/fear is reasonable, but it does not matter -- the world will not stop for you or anyone." It's not about stopping specific technology from advancing. HN is just source of news and discussion. Imagine if HN active threads were about technology or something that you are not excited about. Would you not feel tired of seeing every 2nd/3rd post about the same topic that you are not interested in?
    • quesera 4y ago
      That's the point though. It will not stop and it matters and it's technology. It will be discussed here. It is 100% on-topic and relevant. If you want other content, it can be found elsewhere.
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      • wh4t3v3r 4y ago
        Please answer my question: Would you not feel tired of seeing every 2nd/3rd post about the same topic that you are not interested in?
        • quesera 4y ago
          As I said initially, the fatigue is reasonable. But more relevantly, the fatigue is irrelevant. This is the news, and it's probably under-discussed, honestly. If one does not want to read news about Ukraine, they should not visit a world news site. Etc.
• Bjorkbat 4y ago
  It's actually disillusioned me quite a bit when it comes to tech. I feel like software developers are some of the most empowered people on the planet, and yet we continue to push and enable the dumbest crap and make the most overhyped predictions about it. I don't understand how we can be so self-deluded to look at a chatbot that has mastered the art of bullshitting and act like this is some consequential, state-of-the-art thing. To make such ridiculous predictions about the future based on the ability of this thing to sound convincing. I genuinely hope our delusions and complete ignorance of the wider world completely destroys the illusion we've built in the public imagination. I hope this is the end of "tech" as it's widely perceived. I hope the rest of the world sees our "world" as the joke it really is. Hell, I think it's already started.
  • pornel 4y ago
    We've had a hype cycle about chatbot UIs a few years ago* already, but back then they were 3 regexes in a trench coat. This one actually understands the context, is great at parsing natural language, and has some real-world common-sense. > *) When was the hype about chatbots? > The hype around chatbots began to grow in the early 2010s and reached a peak in the mid-2010s. Chatbots were seen as a potential game-changer for businesses, as they promised to automate a wide range of tasks and provide a more convenient and personalized experience for customers. However, the hype around chatbots has since subsided somewhat, as the technology has failed to live up to some of the initial hype and has faced challenges such as a lack of standardization and the difficulty of creating chatbots that can effectively handle complex or open-ended conversations.
  • yuppiemephisto 4y ago
    this made me realize one type of split in what is 'real intelligence': mean and max. chatgpt has high mean, low max relative to human. for automating the boring stuff, this is great. better at boilerplate than anyone i know.
• paidsearchguy 4y ago
  What I would do to be a fly in the OpenAI accounting department right now.
• labrador 4y ago
  > Tired of Hearing about ChatGPT As a sentient and emotional human being and within the limits of my ability to sense the world, I'm sensing a lot of anxiety among people who realize, maybe for the first time, that artificial intelligences may replace their jobs, not just the jobs of laborers. An inferiority complex that feels inferior to machines may be a new thing we have to deal with, similar to imposter syndrome
  • vinyl7 4y ago
    Machines will always be inferior to humans, we've just reached the point in our first world laziness to accept the mediocrity of machines. All technology these days is broken, buggy, intrusive, slow, etc. and yet people are still hyped up for the future run by robots. To me, it's dystopian. Let's make the technology we already have actually good instead of steaming forward with the next new thing (that is likely yet another useless broken mess) while leaving everything a broken mess. I'm hoping with the end of the era of free money, that companies will focus on quality rather than cheap growth.
• runjake 4y ago
  Perhaps you should spend less time consuming HN, Reddit, Twitter, blogs and wherever else you're being overwhelmed by ChatGPT. This hype train is an inevitable and short-lived step on the natural course of an exciting[1] new technology. 1. I wish I had a better word to describe my particular feelings of "excitement, grave concern, and depression" all rolled into one. That said, I do see the flaws in my own emotional responses to AI.
• sourcecodeplz 4y ago
  I am tired too but it's amazing.
• lee101 4y ago
  I kind of understand about stable diffusion, but ChatGPT seems like just a progression, something you can already do with promoting if I'm not mistaken... There's companies that offer orders of magnitude of cost savings over OpenAI for text generation too e.g. https://text-generator.io https://text-generator.io in excited about that going the way of stable diffusion e.g. there's bloom and bloomz for instruct, there should probably be the same excitement when bloom comes out with E.g. ChatBloom, but idk why open source and other co's don't get the press that OpenAi does
• deterministic 4y ago
  I haven’t seen any code generated by an AI that in any way approach the kind of complexity I am dealing with in my daily job (large scale enterprise software running operations and planning for international companies). Especially given the fact just describing what the software does in English to the AI and then testing it and fixing the mistakes made would probably be as much work as just coding it in a programming language. And we already have a technology that gives us instant highly advanced well functioning code I can reuse: it’s called frameworks/modules/libraries etc.
• dang 4y ago
  This is the classic MOT (major ongoing topic) dilemma, when a topic is important and interesting but also over-represented and fatiguing. Our solution for about 10 years now has been to (try to) downweight the copycat posts and uninteresting follow-ups, while leaving the ones that have SNI (significant new information). It's not a satisfying solution, since a large cohort at one end of the spectrum will still feel "oh no, not this again", while the opposing cohort at the opposite end will feel "why is this topic not being covered enough? is it being suppressed or something"? But it's probably the optimum for least unsatisfying. Lots of past explanation: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=%22significant%20new%20information%22%20by%3Adang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=follow-up%20downweight&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
• nipperkinfeet 4y ago
  Why complain about it when you can filter them out through your RSS client? I read HN to learn more about these technologies and how they are used by developers.
• tkgally 4y ago
  I teach and do research on foreign-language education at the University of Tokyo. Machine translation was already a challenge to many of our assumptions about the purposes and methods of language learning, but ChatGPT has raised even bigger issues that I, at least, do not yet grasp. The best way to begin to understand those issues is to discuss them with others, and I have been very grateful to be able to read the many discussions of ChatGPT on Hacker News over the past week. If anyone is interested in my thoughts on ChatGPT and language education, I am trying to put them together on the following page: https://www.gally.net/temp/202212chatgpt/index.html https://www.gally.net/temp/202212chatgpt/index.html
• obstacle3596 4y ago
  In my opinion some of the most nefarious effects of this ChatGPT craze will be on open source software. Quality will diminish a lot, everyone will want to have a shinny GitHub portfolio without actually putting the effort, so they will use regurgitated code from GPT without disclosing the source. People will clone and use this projects, and by virtue of their open source nature, that code will be in the next iteration of the training data set, so it will be a spiral... And that is best case scenario, because my biggest fear is that this type of language model will scare good programmers from releasing novel/useful code to the open source community. Why would you want to provide the training data for free to OpenAI, and reap none of the benefits of your work? Currently people at least have to clone your code/examples, make an effort to understand it, and train so that they can market themselves as experts in <Spark, React, Kubernetes, etc> to advance their careers.
  • makz 4y ago
    I don’t consider myself a good programmer and still I’m thinking about never releasing any source again publicly.
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• apple4ever 4y ago
  Agreed, I just don't care. I have other things to worry about.