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Is Vitalik like the one sane guy in crypto that doesn't actually try to be a bro and simply has an idea of his destiny and is living through it? I don't follow
by skilled 4y ago
Is Vitalik like the one sane guy in crypto that doesn't actually try to be a bro and simply has an idea of his destiny and is living through it? I don't follow crypto almost at all, and HN/Twitter are probably the only two places where I will ever hear about it.
I don't know him personally but from what I have seen - Vitalik has a lot of great qualities as a person (even outside of crypto, he makes good points on society), and when he does share his thoughts on crypto, it comes off as non-invasive, just ideas and plans that make sense and could be implemented in a way that doesn't push people around.
Who else in crypto does this?
- unpopularopp 4y ago>Is Vitalik like the one sane guy in crypto In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is King
- fukthat 4y agoVitalik looks good in a field shit. Don't forget Vitalik bro behavior caused the ETH and ETH Classic split - the DAO valid transaction that was meant to be immutable all of a sudden was reversed as in Slack (or was it IRC?) as king and controlling Vitalik said jump and everyone (or at least 60% of the decentralized network of friends) said how high - this then mapped to the ETH Classic split and all sorts of meta discussions but but but well he took control because he was acting in the greater good and therefore the miners acted in greater good as by design so we're still cool and kinda of immutable right? ... right? - fuck that sillyness. Do you believe this dog shit any more than SBF being innocent? Has this got better with PoS - I don't know but would be interested in hearing?
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- mypastself 4y agoI feel it’s almost a shame he isn’t utilizing his intellect and thoughtfulness in a domain more obviously useful for humanity, but he might have just gone to sell ads for a FAANG if he weren’t a crypto pioneer. Also, even as someone who’s dabbled in the space and found it lacking in many areas, I can’t say with any degree of certainty that there’s no future in his particular flavor of the blockchain technology.
- greyman 4y agoWhat are those obviously more useful domains AND one tech person can have a very big impact in them?
- mypastself 4y agoWhatever Elon Musk’s shortcomings might be, he applied his intellect and skills to self-evidently useful domains such as EVs and space travel. It seems Vitalik is convinced his tech is beneficial to a similar extent, but I don’t share his enthusiasm, at least not at this point.
- DennisP 4y agoBut before doing all that, Elon Musk built an online payment system.
- mypastself 4y agoTo my understanding, he was less individually influential in that particular company, which is the reason why I omitted it in my examples. Because in my view, developing an online payment system in 2000 is a far more important project than developing a Proof-of-Stake blockchain with Turing-complete smart contracts in 2022. But your point stands: he may well go on to do much better things.
- bmitc 4y agoHe was kicked out of if not fired from PayPal is why you left it out.
- TimJRobinson 4y agoMost of the OG's are like this, because they are more interested in decentralized technology than money. You'd probably like the writings / videos from these people: Andreas Antonopoulos, Polynya, Erik Voorhees, Chris Burniske, Kevin Owocki, Chris Dixon
- cuteboy19 4y agoHis love of decentralised technology explains the 75% premine of etherium right
- metadat 4y agoInteresting, I didn't know this. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16183700 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16183700 (2018)
- DennisP 4y agoMost of which was sold to the general public. The sale was open for six weeks, widely known in the crypto community, and even reported in mainstream press after its first couple days made it one of the largest crowdsales to date.
- cuteboy19 4y agoIt sounds very similar to how Russian privatization was done. Perhaps vitalik took inspiration from the oligarchs back home
- DennisP 4y agoIt sounds more like western IPOs. Russian privatization distributed free ownership vouchers to the Russian population, who mostly weren't interested and sold them to the enterprise managers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privatization_in_Russia#Voucher_privatization_(1992%E2%80%931994) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privatization_in_Russia#Vouche...
- kirevmaco 4y agoSergey Nazarov. Here's a recent talk he gave: https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=lMHaQGB1Wdc https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=lMHaQGB1Wdc In case the above doesn't work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMHaQGB1Wdc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMHaQGB1Wdc
- ignoramous 4y agosnopyta.org doesn't load for me. Here's a (low-res) mirror: https://ghostarchive.org/varchive/lMHaQGB1Wdc https://ghostarchive.org/varchive/lMHaQGB1Wdc
- kirevmaco 4y agoThere are many Invidious mirrors other than snopyta.org, here you can get the video link for any of them: https://redirect.invidious.io/watch?v=lMHaQGB1Wdc https://redirect.invidious.io/watch?v=lMHaQGB1Wdc I posted a youtube.com link as well.
- pwdisswordfish9 4y ago> Is Vitalik like the one sane guy in crypto that doesn't actually try to be a bro and simply has an idea of his destiny and is living through it? They are the same picture.
- Yuyudo_Comiketo 4y agoEveryone is free to indulge in naivety all day long, believing the legend that Vitalik is just a nice independent guy who does all of this for the greater good and does not care about money, but the entities behind him are quite notorious for exactly the opposite: By May 2017, the nonprofit organization (Enterprise Ethereum Alliance) had 116 enterprise members, including ConsenSys, CME Group, Cornell University's research group, Toyota Research Institute, Samsung SDS, Microsoft, Intel, J. P. Morgan, Cooley LLP, Merck KGaA, DTCC, Deloitte, Accenture, Banco Santander, BNY Mellon, ING, and National Bank of Canada. By July 2017, there were over 150 members in the alliance, including MasterCard, Cisco Systems, Sberbank, and Scotiabank. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethereum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethereum
- DennisP 4y agoVitalik's organization is the Ethereum Foundation. The EEA is a separate organization founded later by other people. (Personally though I don't see anything wrong with corporations using the technology.)
- Ar-Curunir 4y agoThat organization doesn’t have anything to do with Ethereum’s decision making infrastructure. I can make a “Linux Enterprise Alliance” with those companies and it wouldn’t necessarily have any influence on Linux or Linus.
- Yuyudo_Comiketo 4y agoTrue that, and I am pretty sure that humble, modest and good-intentioned guys working on a project that attracts the biggest sharks in the business can certainly fight against trillion dollar assets of the latter with their bare scientific rigor and austerity to defend their work from any possible overtake. I hope everyone else also shares this belief, this is how we create belief systems that outlive their subjects and may go on to float freely among platonic solids and spherical cows in vacuum, forever.
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- chrischattin 4y ago> Is Vitalik like the one sane guy in crypto that doesn't actually try to be a bro > I don't follow crypto almost at all Well, that would explain it :). There are tons of brilliant people working in the space. It is the most exciting frontier in tech with the greatest potential to positively impact humanity, imo.
- skilled 4y agoHence, my question. Who else does this? I was being curios.
- chrischattin 4y agoBasically everyone who posted in the original P2P Forums with Satoshi back in the day is smart and interesting, imo.
- jfk13 4y ago> greatest potential to positively impact humanity That's a bold claim. So far, I haven't seen much sign of anything even remotely like "positive impact".
- SparkyMcUnicorn 4y agoI think there are some things that can be seen as having a "remotely" positive impact. Here's one possible example: https://docs.klimadao.finance/blogs/carbon-faq https://docs.klimadao.finance/blogs/carbon-faq
- unboxingelf 4y agoSounds eerily similar to SBF.
- skilled 4y agoHas SBF ever written a line of code?
- freejazz 4y agoWhat's that have to do with it?
- skilled 4y agoLiterally, everything.
- freejazz 4y agoI certainly don't think anyone is particularly less likely to partake in fraud because they did or didn't program, but I guess you have a really compelling reason why?
- skilled 4y agoWhat are you even saying? If you have some personal vendetta against Vitalik maybe you should go hash it out with him instead of putting it on other people?
- freejazz 4y agoWhat have I said that's even remotely personal about him? You seem to be really confused. I was replying to a thread where somebody asked if SBF had ever programmed, as if that had anything to do with SBF's perchance for fraud... What point are you making when you say that programming is the entire point?
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- neals 4y agoWe do, but we're not visible at all. Just grinding along while everybody is bro-ing.
- kranke155 4y agoLefteris who now develops rotki but was part of the white hat DAO team, Justin bons on twitter, @cobie in his own chaotic good way, and Laura Shin with her podcast and and Bennett Tomlin and Cas Piancey at the Crypto Skeptic podcast. Mostly Everyone else is indeed some level of full of shit.
- jdhn 4y agoAndreas Antonopoulos is one of the best (if not the best) Bitcoin proponents out there today. Very informative guy.
- trompetenaccoun 4y agoFor crypto newbies like most on HN are, maybe. To be fair to him he does a decent job explaining Bitcoin so that non-nerds can understand the basics. But beyond that if you get more into it you'll find he's a controversial figure like most are in Bitcoin. There aren't really any leaders and either way leader following is the exact opposite of what cryptocurrency is about anyway. The vast majority of the crypto OGs come from the cypherpunk sphere and are skeptical of centralized power/authorities. Ironically one common criticism Bitcoin hardcore fanatics have is that Antonopoulos is not a Bitcoin maximalist, he's Ethereum friendlyand wrote an entire book on that together with Gavin Wood.
- nyolfen 4y agohttps://dark.fi/ https://dark.fi/
- DogLover_ 4y agoIf you are just looking for brilliant people, then there is Silvio Micali founder of Algorand. He has Turing Award.