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> Is this a hypothetical? depends on a country > Because plenty of content on FB criticising New Zealand's politicians. This does not mean that no content wa

> Is this a hypothetical? depends on a country > Because plenty of content on FB criticising New Zealand's politicians. This does not mean that no content was taken down solely for criticizing politicians.

EdwardDiego 4y ago
Considering I can't prove a negative, are you able to prove a positive? Because trust me, New Zealand's opposition parties, social media, and the real media, would be on that like flies on shit if there was even a hint that it had happened. All it would take is someone saying "Wtf, my FB post calling Jacinda Ardern a pretty communist was mysteriously deleted." I guess it's good to live in a nation where corruption is low, and the rule of law applies to all, the media is free, and who deliberates on questions of law isn't decided by politicians. Because I know that any of the behaviour you posit would be absolutely called out. Like the time a New Zealand Prime Minister sent the Police in to find an investigative journalist's sources, because it embarrassed him and his government. Or the time that the New Zealand Defence Force sicced the internal intelligence service on the same journalist to find his sources because he embarrassed them... https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/104638742/police-apologise-to-nicky-hager-over-dirty-politics-raid-as-part-of-settlement https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/104638742/police-apo... https://i.stuff.co.nz/opinion/130640313/the-dirty-politics-behind-the-sis-apology-to-nicky-hager https://i.stuff.co.nz/opinion/130640313/the-dirty-politics-b... The fact that a) these things happened concerns me but b) that it was exposed to the light heartens me. So yeah, if you've got evidence of what you posit actually occurring, please share it.
- matkoniecz 4y ago
  > Considering I can't prove a negative, are you able to prove a positive? Yes. In communist Poland "You submit the content for classification. With documentation. And they send it back with a detailed report of what needs to be censored" was used and designed to keep criticism of ruling class and ruling system out of public view. ---------------------------- Note that I am not claiming that NZ is currently abusing this system, or that NZ system is intended to provide such use. I was responding to > Because plenty of content on FB criticising New Zealand's politicians. that is not really indicating anything, except lack of USSR-level censorship. Maybe confusion was caused because I responded to > But that sort of censorship is fine. You submit the content for classification. With documentation. And they send it back with a detailed report of what needs to be censored and why. treating is a claim in general, not specifically about NZ (I do not want to claim anything about NZ as I am not familiar with it)
- BurningFrog 4y ago
  > All it would take is someone saying "Wtf, my FB post calling Jacinda Ardern a pretty communist was mysteriously deleted." The post saying that would also be deleted in that scenario.
  - quinndexter 4y ago
    No one cares if one domino falls over. But a whole bunch in a row is quite a spectacle.
  - EdwardDiego 4y ago
    Good thing there's more than one social network then.
quixoticelixer- 4y ago
No content was taken down solely for criticising politicians

EdwardDiego 4y ago

Considering I can't prove a negative, are you able to prove a positive? Because trust me, New Zealand's opposition parties, social media, and the real media, would be on that like flies on shit if there was even a hint that it had happened. All it would take is someone saying "Wtf, my FB post calling Jacinda Ardern a pretty communist was mysteriously deleted." I guess it's good to live in a nation where corruption is low, and the rule of law applies to all, the media is free, and who deliberates on questions of law isn't decided by politicians. Because I know that any of the behaviour you posit would be absolutely called out. Like the time a New Zealand Prime Minister sent the Police in to find an investigative journalist's sources, because it embarrassed him and his government. Or the time that the New Zealand Defence Force sicced the internal intelligence service on the same journalist to find his sources because he embarrassed them... https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/104638742/police-apologise-to-nicky-hager-over-dirty-politics-raid-as-part-of-settlement https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/104638742/police-apo... https://i.stuff.co.nz/opinion/130640313/the-dirty-politics-behind-the-sis-apology-to-nicky-hager https://i.stuff.co.nz/opinion/130640313/the-dirty-politics-b... The fact that a) these things happened concerns me but b) that it was exposed to the light heartens me. So yeah, if you've got evidence of what you posit actually occurring, please share it.

matkoniecz 4y ago
> Considering I can't prove a negative, are you able to prove a positive? Yes. In communist Poland "You submit the content for classification. With documentation. And they send it back with a detailed report of what needs to be censored" was used and designed to keep criticism of ruling class and ruling system out of public view. ---------------------------- Note that I am not claiming that NZ is currently abusing this system, or that NZ system is intended to provide such use. I was responding to > Because plenty of content on FB criticising New Zealand's politicians. that is not really indicating anything, except lack of USSR-level censorship. Maybe confusion was caused because I responded to > But that sort of censorship is fine. You submit the content for classification. With documentation. And they send it back with a detailed report of what needs to be censored and why. treating is a claim in general, not specifically about NZ (I do not want to claim anything about NZ as I am not familiar with it)
BurningFrog 4y ago
> All it would take is someone saying "Wtf, my FB post calling Jacinda Ardern a pretty communist was mysteriously deleted." The post saying that would also be deleted in that scenario.
- quinndexter 4y ago
  No one cares if one domino falls over. But a whole bunch in a row is quite a spectacle.
- EdwardDiego 4y ago
  Good thing there's more than one social network then.

quixoticelixer- 4y ago

No content was taken down solely for criticising politicians