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South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices
- bvhvhfcgxfdf 4y agoWhy is Twitter allowed, but not TikTok? It seems like a Republican ploy to spread more right wing propaganda.
- radar1310 4y agoKristi Noem for President!
- u1tron 4y ago
- lizardactivist 4y agoWhile the US is urging a ban on TikTok, I'm curious why the world at whole is not waking up and banning US-owned and operated social media - obviously it's an even bigger risk.
- resuresu 4y agoGood now ban it from the united states of america.
- libpcap 4y agoBetter late than never!
- DocTomoe 4y agoIf they had found the app doing some things, the ban would be nationwide. This is just one state's government trying to fan some fears about the chinaman. That being said: I don't see why any government device should have access to any social media.
- dontbenebby 4y agoI had the weirdest interview of my life with Tik Tok. Tik Tok, like anything run by the Chinese or other totalitarian regimes, is not very respectful of autonomy or freedom of expression, but I still want to know what went down at my old NGO after I was forced out -- I had thought the CEO worked for the Russians or something, she was so effective at destroying the organization like one of the sabotage guides I used to read in middle school on textfiles dot com, but one day I pop over to LinkedIn and she ended up working for Wal Mart, and the general counsel ended up at Tik Tok as people on Signal would do literally anything but connect me with a decent job but tell me the weirdest shit like "The Mayor of Albany beats his wife" (Apparently one of my friends may have given their phone to some now dead FBI agent around the time I renewed my passport and loudly declared presidents last 8 years max and switched from learning javascript and CSS to learning Python and Metasploit.) Anyways, Tik Tok sucks, Facebook sucks, all social media sucks. Delete your accounts and learn the value of verbal conversations in a room with NPR cranked to 11 on an analog radio you built yourself in a 3rd floor walkup with the door bolted and barricaded. (Or maybe the above is disinformation... reader beware, you're in for a scare!)
- lazyeye 4y agoThe argument to ban TikTok doesn't need to be complicated. Simply block Chinese media apps the same way China blocks all external media apps within its own borders. In the context of any other kind of trade relationship would it be acceptable for China to get unfettered access to foreign markets whilst blocking all access to its own?
- ffgh 4y agoWhat about Snapchat, twitter, Facebook/Instagram?
- Aaronstotle 4y agoThose applications are banned within China and on CCP owned devices, I don't see why a U.S. state can't ban TikTok.
- tzs 4y agoThat's not really a very persuasive argument. China has rules that apply to all social media apps operating there, including rules on data storage, data sharing, and moderation. Those applications are not willing to follow those rules, and so aren't allowed in China. TikTok is willing to follow those rules, so is allowed.
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- elmerfud 4y agoI would think they would ban lots of apps on state owned devices. There's a lot of trash apps out there that are nothing but spyware.
- technion 4y agoMy wife worked for the government. When they deployed wfh, they used mfa. They banned Google authenticator out of the view Google can't be trusted. But told people to search the app store for any other mfa app. They one my wife found makes you wait for an ad run before it displays the code. It sometimes crashes and is generally terrible. The point being banning certain apps seems far more political than well thought out.
- userbinator 4y agoI find it very sad that the government isn't even capable of writing its own presumably TOTP authenticator app.
- ketzo 4y agoSorry, their official MFA policy was "just go find a random one"? How would that even work? Do they have a contract with every MFA service?
- ThePowerOfFuet 4y ago> Sorry, their official MFA policy was "just go find a random one"? How would that even work? Do they have a contract with every MFA service? TOTP is a standard, so anyone can implement it. https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6238 https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6238
- nthn_g 4y agoI would presume a random TOTP app. Incredibly stupid policy nonetheless.
- technion 4y agoYes that was the official policy. I was in such disbelief I made her show me the official guide she was given. Of course im sure they had no contracts anywhere, it looked like someone simply said "google will sell your data" and someone senior bought it and banned one app.
- encryptluks2 4y agoHmm... Shouldn't they have already done this? Why would you allow garbage apps on state-owned devices?
- autotune 4y agoYou've never worked for a gov office have you? Getting any kind of new policies or tools added or updated when it comes to infra and IT can take years, if not decades. I would not be surprised if the one I volunteered at 10 years ago when I got my start is still on Lotus Notes.
- MrMan 4y agofree speech I think
- hammock 4y agoThe bigger deal (bigger than the tracking that people usually focus on) might be how the algorithm is specifically tuned to reward dumb content in the US, compared to rewarding STEM and other educational content in China. One minute video that explains: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hus9fWz0RRk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hus9fWz0RRk Further reading: https://www.opindia.com/2022/07/tiktok-china-engineering-other-countries-porn-twerking/ https://www.opindia.com/2022/07/tiktok-china-engineering-oth...
- RGamma 4y agoAnd idiocy begets idiocy, but this is a problem with US-style social/entertainment media already. Though Chinese and US players do it for different reasons...
- rand0mx1 4y agoPeddling right wing propaganda website from India as your reference. At least put some better resources for your argument.
- FpUser 4y ago>"the algorithm is specifically tuned to reward dumb content in the US, compared to rewarding STEM and other educational content in China" No idea if it is true but I think the US and Canada do not need foreign "help" in this department. Dumbification of the average Joes and Janes is a wet dream of every politician and big corps and thanks to advanced tech it is becoming more and more.
- mkbkn 4y ago"opindia" website is an ultra-right wing propaganda website with ties to the current ruling party of India. They are not journalists.
- DocTomoe 4y agoSounds like a hen/egg problem: It could well be that educational content just performs better in a market where education is valued both by society as well as kids, as compared to a market where most kids want to become an "influencer". That western notice-me-culture has been obvious long before TikTok was a thing - consider reality TV, early YouTube, and the fact that several serial killers apparently murdered for the media attention. Our own culture treats education as something that's not really that important. We promote sports stars with little to no educational background to ivy league universities. Hardly a teenage movie does not take a dump on 'math class'. Our kids are being told to dream and find their passions, but no-one considers them a failure if they get a D in the sciences. The student who excels is not praised societally, but shunned as a 'nerd'. Where 'hustle culture' exists, it is not seen as a way of achievement, but as a way to greater wealth, and almost always unpleasant. Why then are we surprised that educational content does not perform well in the West? As for the second link's part about TikTok promoting sexual confusion: Was it TikTok which started that discussion, or was it celebrities who made alternative sex/gender assignments cool (much like they made smoking cool in the 1950s), supported by pro-sex/gender-divergent activists? Imagine the backlash should TikTok decide to ban these topics from their platform.
- _-david-_ 4y agoHow on earth is it a blacklist not a whitelist? You should only be allowed to install approved applications on state owned devices.
- dragonwriter 4y agoWhitelists are probably agency specific. A statewide blacklist prevents an app from being on agency whitelists.
- andrewstuart 4y agoIt matters which country controls the platform. The recent protests in China have been suppressed by the CCP. No doubt there are close to zero protest videos on TikTok. There are protest videos on YouTube - though anecdotally YouTube management is attempting to suppress them because Google is tightly bound to China. The question is, does it matter if protest videos are shown or hidden on social media? Can the videos shown on social media influence world affairs?
- judge2020 4y ago> Google is tightly bound to China. Howso? Google, YouTube, and Docs are banned over there. Their biggest stake is really just Android.
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- analyst74 4y agoI learned about the protest on TikTok from scrolling, probably because I have shown interest in content about China.
- kredd 4y agoThey’re probably hidden in Chinese TikTok, but I’ve seen a lot of Shanghai protests on TikTok since like mid November. You’re definitely right though, I recall I had to search for it myself before algo started showing it to me automatically. Could be because of TikTok’s default behaviour of hiding violence-adjacent behaviour, which I find quite awful as it hides the current events.
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- Kreutzer 4y agoThe actual amount of protests in China were laughably small in comparison to how the state depart... I mean 'free press' in the US portrayed it. Yes, there were reasonable protests against zero-Covid measures, no there was no revolution in progress.
- fnordpiglet 4y agoWhere South Dakota goes literally no one goes (including to South Dakota)
- dontbenebby 4y agoTo be fair, they're all on Facebook, and Russia shares intelligence with China :-)
- dicomdan 4y agoWhataboutists have arrived.
- pessimizer 4y agoWith their inconvenient, completely factual statements.
- dontbenebby 4y agoThanks parent. Whataboutism would be saying it’s ok to abuse users on behalf of totalitarians not equally criticizing anyone who does so. (At least with Twitter they had to bribe a Saudi lol)
- IncRnd 4y agoThis is not about IT or device security, otherwise no non-work related apps would be allowed on work devices.
- stackedinserter 4y agoWhy are users of state-owned devices allowed to install apps?
- purpleblue 4y agoI have a fairly large position in Meta because I'm sure that the US government is going to ban TikTok. I think once it spikes from that announcement, it will at least make it back up to over $200, for the time being.
- johnwheeler 4y agoBut even if you got in sub $200, a tiktok ban would be a very generous layer of icing on the cake. Same with the metaverse. The core business is still attractive and it’s a good stock.
- Karunamon 4y agoI'm curious, why Meta? As far as I can tell all of their properties are in decline and don't have much cachet among younger users.
- laweijfmvo 4y agoOne possible reason is because if Meta did have a product that was appealing, they’re ready for 100M new users overnight. Not just infrastructure but regulatory, compliance, etc. on a global scale. Any new contender would have to build out very quickly.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y agoI've read that their VR devices are very popular with youngsters and growing.
- somid3 4y agoOn that topic, they should ban all not state-relevant apps.
- boomboomsubban 4y agoUnless I'm missing something, there is no penalty for using TikTok on an SD device, and there's no initiative for SD tech support to institute a ban. So basically, it's a pointless PR move for Noem.
- prmoustache 4y agoIf it wasn't just a PR move, it would be whitelist based instead of banning a single app. There are likely thousands of apps on every major app store with apps whose sole purpose is to fish out data from users and sold to different criminal or governmental entities.
- desireco42 4y agoDefinitely shouldn't be on corporate devices, not because of anything but it has no place there.
- tinglymintyfrsh 4y agoTo be fair, most organizations should have a list of allowed and forbidden apps and require a third-party security assessment before any cloud, SaaS, or network-enabled/social app is allowed on organization-owned device.
- dang 4y agoUrl changed from https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2022/12/south-dakota-is-first-state-to-ban-tiktok https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2022/12/south-dakota-..., which points to this.
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- mbgerring 4y agoTikTok is such an obvious threat on so many levels, it’s very hard to understand why we don’t talk about this more. I don't feel like its controversial to say that social media algorithms can be designed to manipulate people, or that this capability is especially dangerous in the hands of a hostile state. It seems to me like TikTok is ripe for weaponization in any future conflict between China and any other country.
- washywashy 4y agoMy spouse used TikTok for a while on the app. I can’t remember if they logged in or not (I never used it), but the videos it recommended where kinda shocking. It would recommend reviews of a fridge we had bought, but hadn’t explicitly searched for on TikTok, or anywhere else that I recall. There were also some other coincidental videos that would pop up that just seemed eerie. I assume there’s some data broker TikTok uses (AAID or IDFA tokens perhaps for fingerprinting). Needless to say, we stopped using it and I don’t open shared links anymore.