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Maybe show some comparisons so we can judge rather than just assessing "facts"

t_von_doom 4y ago
A fair point but unfair in that you are not also asking this of the OP. The status quo is that that a dedicated camera will be better than a smartphone (see other comments)
piva00 4y ago
I just felt it's such an outrageous claim that I really hadn't to show that cameras with much larger sensors and better optics would shoot better pictures than a smartphone. For me it's the opposite, show how smartphones are better than the current crop of mirrorless APS-C as this is the extraordinary claim requiring evidence. When I get some time I might shoot some comparison pictures, but if I don't: remember that I'm not here to serve your demands, I'm sorry.
- michaelt 4y ago
  > I just felt it's such an outrageous claim I have used an iPhone SE and a mirrorless M4/3 camera to photograph a sheet of paper containing barcodes of varying sizes (including some with bars less than 1 pixel wide). I then checked which barcodes were readable in the resulting image. The light levels were the same, both cameras were positioned and zoomed so the target took up the entire image, and both cameras were supported on a tripod. I expected the M4/3 camera would blow the iPhone out of the water with its much larger lens, bigger sensor, and higher price. But no, the iPhone's image had marginally more readable barcodes. Modern smartphone camera performance is just crazy, for the sensor size.
  - FeistySkink 4y ago
    You didn't specify if the lens was up to the task in terms of sharpness on that MFT.
arnaudsm 4y ago
Sure, here it is ! https://imgur.com/a/VyHLYqP https://imgur.com/a/VyHLYqP Protocol: handheld at 10 PM, 10 shots each, at different ISOs, picked the best one The bottlenecks are different, but the sharpness is comparable. - The DSLR was limited by optics, it's blurrier with some chromatic aberration - The Phone has strong AI processing, I wish I disabled it
- lm28469 4y ago
  > The Phone has strong AI processing, I wish I disabled it It's still over-sharpened and probably used multiple shots to get high dynamic range, it's much more noisy too, and shows less resolution Also the d5500 is a lower tier camera from 2015, the phone was released in 2021
  - arnaudsm 4y ago
    They have the same used price, which is the point of my comparison. Yes there's HDR bracketing, but we only care about the result. One is blurry (optics), the other has artifacts (AI), but overall sharpness is similar.
- Markoff 4y ago
  TBH both photos look horrible compared to smartphones nowadays or is this just 100% crop? I'd like to see whole photo.
  - arnaudsm 4y ago
    Yes this is a 100% crop to highlight the sharpness is handheld low-light, the worst scenario there is
- Jiejeing 4y ago
  Dynamic range is better on the phone, but otherwise the DSLR has sharper edges, less noise, nicer colors, and is less mushy (but that is possibly due to the "AI processing", so ditto about the "real" image). That said, noise reduction is usually more advanced on phones, and handheld with a kit lens at night with high-contrast zones is kind of the worst scenario for DSLRs (hopefully it was a stabilized kit lens at least).

A fair point but unfair in that you are not also asking this of the OP. The status quo is that that a dedicated camera will be better than a smartphone (see other comments)

piva00 4y ago

I just felt it's such an outrageous claim that I really hadn't to show that cameras with much larger sensors and better optics would shoot better pictures than a smartphone. For me it's the opposite, show how smartphones are better than the current crop of mirrorless APS-C as this is the extraordinary claim requiring evidence. When I get some time I might shoot some comparison pictures, but if I don't: remember that I'm not here to serve your demands, I'm sorry.

michaelt 4y ago
> I just felt it's such an outrageous claim I have used an iPhone SE and a mirrorless M4/3 camera to photograph a sheet of paper containing barcodes of varying sizes (including some with bars less than 1 pixel wide). I then checked which barcodes were readable in the resulting image. The light levels were the same, both cameras were positioned and zoomed so the target took up the entire image, and both cameras were supported on a tripod. I expected the M4/3 camera would blow the iPhone out of the water with its much larger lens, bigger sensor, and higher price. But no, the iPhone's image had marginally more readable barcodes. Modern smartphone camera performance is just crazy, for the sensor size.
- FeistySkink 4y ago
  You didn't specify if the lens was up to the task in terms of sharpness on that MFT.

arnaudsm 4y ago

Sure, here it is ! https://imgur.com/a/VyHLYqP https://imgur.com/a/VyHLYqP Protocol: handheld at 10 PM, 10 shots each, at different ISOs, picked the best one The bottlenecks are different, but the sharpness is comparable. - The DSLR was limited by optics, it's blurrier with some chromatic aberration - The Phone has strong AI processing, I wish I disabled it

lm28469 4y ago
> The Phone has strong AI processing, I wish I disabled it It's still over-sharpened and probably used multiple shots to get high dynamic range, it's much more noisy too, and shows less resolution Also the d5500 is a lower tier camera from 2015, the phone was released in 2021
- arnaudsm 4y ago
  They have the same used price, which is the point of my comparison. Yes there's HDR bracketing, but we only care about the result. One is blurry (optics), the other has artifacts (AI), but overall sharpness is similar.
Markoff 4y ago
TBH both photos look horrible compared to smartphones nowadays or is this just 100% crop? I'd like to see whole photo.
- arnaudsm 4y ago
  Yes this is a 100% crop to highlight the sharpness is handheld low-light, the worst scenario there is
Jiejeing 4y ago
Dynamic range is better on the phone, but otherwise the DSLR has sharper edges, less noise, nicer colors, and is less mushy (but that is possibly due to the "AI processing", so ditto about the "real" image). That said, noise reduction is usually more advanced on phones, and handheld with a kit lens at night with high-contrast zones is kind of the worst scenario for DSLRs (hopefully it was a stabilized kit lens at least).