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A. Watch his follow up video. Where he talks about all he got wrong. B. I recently switched to a more “natural” SevenGenerations pouch and holy crap it’s been

A. Watch his follow up video. Where he talks about all he got wrong. B. I recently switched to a more “natural” SevenGenerations pouch and holy crap it’s been excellent. C. You can not buy anything but pods at two of my grocery stores. You need to go to Walmart near me to find any straight powder. Market has spoken right or wrong.

XorNot 4y ago
What he got wrong was... You might want to use less detergent to avoid residues. The pouches are still pointless. We switched and it almost completely solved our "dishes not getting cleaned properly" problem.
- dhritzkiv 4y ago
  Same. Switching to powder has done a lot for us in getting dishes cleaner, and we can dial in the amount of powder needed for the particular soil level of a load. The fact that it's cheaper per load, and the box fits more neatly under the sink are added benefits.
  - MereInterest 4y ago
    And if your hands are slightly damp, the cardboard box for the powder doesn't stick to your fingers, where a dissolvable membrane would start dissolving on you.
insane_dreamer 4y ago
We use dissolvable tablets (from Blueland) with all "natural" ingredients; can't vouch for how true the natural claim is, but we're happy with them and it's one way to reduce plastic; we also get their dissolvable tablets for hand soap, all purpose cleaners, glass cleaner, etc.
- garyfirestorm 4y ago
  I tried the dishwasher tablets and felt like it didn’t clean the dishes as well. We been using the hand soap and other cleaners and I’m never going back on those. Maybe I need to give the dishwasher tabs a try again.
  - insane_dreamer 4y ago
    Maybe it depends on the dishwasher. We used them in our previous house and weren't as impressed with them but then moved and our new dishwasher works very well with them.
- TylerE 4y ago
  Plenty of things that are “all natural” will kill you in the blink of an eye
  - hackernewds 4y ago
    Like arsenic
    - TylerE 4y ago
      Or cyanide, cobra venom, polonium, or lead.
      - throwawaylinux 4y ago
        Also lions.
        tailspin2019 4y ago
        I always give my dishes a quick rinse to wash off any excess lions.
        aussieshibe 4y ago
        "Wash off any excess lions" without even mentioning to check for alkali metals first. You're going to kill some poor soul trying to clean all the baked-in francium and lions off their crockery. Shame on you.
        tailspin2019 4y ago
        I'll try to do better.
        insane_dreamer 4y ago
        You missed the tigers and bears.
nerdponx 4y ago
> Market has spoken right or wrong. I call BS on this. The non-pouch detergents disappeared, that much I know. I strongly doubt people had stopped buying gel and powder. I suspect that some bright bulb at Johnson & Johnson or wherever did the math and realized that pouch margins were higher than gel and powder margins.
- michael1999 4y ago
  The marketing side of the market has spoken. Fixed serving sizes force over-use. Lots of included water means extra volume and weight (perceived value) on the shelf. While powders allow measured use, and reduce turnover. I buy 20lb boxes of cheap powder and they last for months. Hot water just doesn’t need that much help if you put some in the pre-wash too.
  - Schroedingersat 4y ago
    > I buy 20lb boxes of cheap powder and they last for months. ...is this a commercial kitchen? 20lb is like two loads a day for a year.
    - archi42 4y ago
      Depends on the household size and habits. Daily cooking for 4 or 5 people and sharing two other meals and the occasional baking can quickly fill up the dish washer, especially in those growing phases when the kids are eating like there is no tomorrow ;-)
  - AdrianB1 4y ago
    20 years ago in my country overuse of powder detergents was well known by all the manufacturers; this is when fixed serving sizes were developed as a way to contain the problem and they are also considered more convenient by most consumers. I was working in one of these companies at that time, so I know the subject pretty well.
    - michael1999 4y ago

XorNot 4y ago

What he got wrong was... You might want to use less detergent to avoid residues. The pouches are still pointless. We switched and it almost completely solved our "dishes not getting cleaned properly" problem.

dhritzkiv 4y ago
Same. Switching to powder has done a lot for us in getting dishes cleaner, and we can dial in the amount of powder needed for the particular soil level of a load. The fact that it's cheaper per load, and the box fits more neatly under the sink are added benefits.
- MereInterest 4y ago
  And if your hands are slightly damp, the cardboard box for the powder doesn't stick to your fingers, where a dissolvable membrane would start dissolving on you.

insane_dreamer 4y ago

We use dissolvable tablets (from Blueland) with all "natural" ingredients; can't vouch for how true the natural claim is, but we're happy with them and it's one way to reduce plastic; we also get their dissolvable tablets for hand soap, all purpose cleaners, glass cleaner, etc.

garyfirestorm 4y ago
I tried the dishwasher tablets and felt like it didn’t clean the dishes as well. We been using the hand soap and other cleaners and I’m never going back on those. Maybe I need to give the dishwasher tabs a try again.
- insane_dreamer 4y ago
  Maybe it depends on the dishwasher. We used them in our previous house and weren't as impressed with them but then moved and our new dishwasher works very well with them.
TylerE 4y ago
Plenty of things that are “all natural” will kill you in the blink of an eye
- hackernewds 4y ago
  Like arsenic
  - TylerE 4y ago
    Or cyanide, cobra venom, polonium, or lead.
    - throwawaylinux 4y ago
      Also lions.
      - tailspin2019 4y ago
        I always give my dishes a quick rinse to wash off any excess lions.
        aussieshibe 4y ago
        "Wash off any excess lions" without even mentioning to check for alkali metals first. You're going to kill some poor soul trying to clean all the baked-in francium and lions off their crockery. Shame on you.
        tailspin2019 4y ago
        I'll try to do better.
        insane_dreamer 4y ago
        You missed the tigers and bears.

nerdponx 4y ago

> Market has spoken right or wrong. I call BS on this. The non-pouch detergents disappeared, that much I know. I strongly doubt people had stopped buying gel and powder. I suspect that some bright bulb at Johnson & Johnson or wherever did the math and realized that pouch margins were higher than gel and powder margins.

michael1999 4y ago
The marketing side of the market has spoken. Fixed serving sizes force over-use. Lots of included water means extra volume and weight (perceived value) on the shelf. While powders allow measured use, and reduce turnover. I buy 20lb boxes of cheap powder and they last for months. Hot water just doesn’t need that much help if you put some in the pre-wash too.
- Schroedingersat 4y ago
  > I buy 20lb boxes of cheap powder and they last for months. ...is this a commercial kitchen? 20lb is like two loads a day for a year.
  - archi42 4y ago
    Depends on the household size and habits. Daily cooking for 4 or 5 people and sharing two other meals and the occasional baking can quickly fill up the dish washer, especially in those growing phases when the kids are eating like there is no tomorrow ;-)
- AdrianB1 4y ago
  20 years ago in my country overuse of powder detergents was well known by all the manufacturers; this is when fixed serving sizes were developed as a way to contain the problem and they are also considered more convenient by most consumers. I was working in one of these companies at that time, so I know the subject pretty well.
  - michael1999 4y ago