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> It's not like you can pay $3 to Google to get them to stop surveilling you. You can, at least for Youtube - the premium offering is ad-free. In fact, that's

by r00fus 4y ago

> It's not like you can pay $3 to Google to get them to stop surveilling you. You can, at least for Youtube - the premium offering is ad-free. In fact, that's the only reason I subscribe - not the content - because my entire family uses my account or is part of my Google "family" to bypass YT ads. Worth the (ever increasing) monthly fee. My guess is that this only exists to foil Netflix, and if Netflix didn't have an ad-free service, Google would make this option cost a lot more or remove it entirely.

arepublicadoceu 4y ago
> You can, at least for Youtube - the premium offering is ad-free. ad-free =/= surveillance free.
- encryptluks2 4y ago
  Please offer some proof that Google does more surveillance than Brave.
  - NayamAmarshe 4y ago
    https://privacyspy.org https://privacyspy.org
  - taejavu 4y ago
    I mean, just the fact that they track your location would put their surveillance way ahead of Brave, no?
  - jlarocco 4y ago
    Assuming that's a good faith question (I'm skeptical), let's click through some random HN headlines and use uMatrix to count how many requests for Javascript and other garbage are being made to Google servers, and how many are made to Brave's servers. First off: https://www.deepmind.com/blog/mastering-stratego-the-classic-game-of-imperfect-information https://www.deepmind.com/blog/mastering-stratego-the-classic... By my count that has two requests to googleapis.com, one to gstatic.com, and one to googletagmanager, but none to any Brave sites. Next up: https://www.thefire.org/news/free-speech-culture-elon-musk-and-twitter https://www.thefire.org/news/free-speech-culture-elon-musk-a... Requests googletagmanager, but nothing from Brave. Next: https://www.countbayesie.com/blog/2022/11/30/understanding-convolutions-in-probability-a-mad-science-perspective https://www.countbayesie.com/blog/2022/11/30/understanding-c... Makes requests to googletagmanager ang googleapis.com. Brave completely missing. And: https://twitter.com/coinbasewallet/status/1598354819735031809 https://twitter.com/coinbasewallet/status/159835481973503180... Sends requests to google-analytics.com, but Brave is a no show again And finally: https://jakespracher.medium.com/machines-and-chaos-9f0e87eebe86 https://jakespracher.medium.com/machines-and-chaos-9f0e87eeb... Which uses google-analytics, but nothing from Brave. Practically every commercial website on the internet has Google spyware tied in somehow. And just to spell it out, every time your browser sends a request to one of the Google servers, they're keeping track and surveiling you.
  - Melatonic 4y ago
    Google has the data on most credit card transactions in the US. Transactions that do not go through Google at all. They are tracking the crap out of you everywhere
s3p 4y ago
Well it's not $3, it's 12, so much more
ouid 4y ago
you can just use ublock origin.
alpaca128 4y ago
> You can, at least for Youtube - the premium offering is ad-free No, it's free of YT ads but countless creators embed ads in their videos, sometimes of pretty shady businesses (see recent Established Titles controversy). The only way to get rid of all YouTube ads doesn't cost anything (uBlock + Sponsorblock). And if I pay for content I prefer to do it via Patreon, because why would I reward YouTube for constantly acting against the interests of users and content creators?

by r00fus 4y ago

arepublicadoceu 4y ago

> You can, at least for Youtube - the premium offering is ad-free. ad-free =/= surveillance free.

encryptluks2 4y ago
Please offer some proof that Google does more surveillance than Brave.
- NayamAmarshe 4y ago
  https://privacyspy.org https://privacyspy.org
- taejavu 4y ago
  I mean, just the fact that they track your location would put their surveillance way ahead of Brave, no?
- jlarocco 4y ago
  Assuming that's a good faith question (I'm skeptical), let's click through some random HN headlines and use uMatrix to count how many requests for Javascript and other garbage are being made to Google servers, and how many are made to Brave's servers. First off: https://www.deepmind.com/blog/mastering-stratego-the-classic-game-of-imperfect-information https://www.deepmind.com/blog/mastering-stratego-the-classic... By my count that has two requests to googleapis.com, one to gstatic.com, and one to googletagmanager, but none to any Brave sites. Next up: https://www.thefire.org/news/free-speech-culture-elon-musk-and-twitter https://www.thefire.org/news/free-speech-culture-elon-musk-a... Requests googletagmanager, but nothing from Brave. Next: https://www.countbayesie.com/blog/2022/11/30/understanding-convolutions-in-probability-a-mad-science-perspective https://www.countbayesie.com/blog/2022/11/30/understanding-c... Makes requests to googletagmanager ang googleapis.com. Brave completely missing. And: https://twitter.com/coinbasewallet/status/1598354819735031809 https://twitter.com/coinbasewallet/status/159835481973503180... Sends requests to google-analytics.com, but Brave is a no show again And finally: https://jakespracher.medium.com/machines-and-chaos-9f0e87eebe86 https://jakespracher.medium.com/machines-and-chaos-9f0e87eeb... Which uses google-analytics, but nothing from Brave. Practically every commercial website on the internet has Google spyware tied in somehow. And just to spell it out, every time your browser sends a request to one of the Google servers, they're keeping track and surveiling you.
- Melatonic 4y ago
  Google has the data on most credit card transactions in the US. Transactions that do not go through Google at all. They are tracking the crap out of you everywhere

s3p 4y ago

Well it's not $3, it's 12, so much more

ouid 4y ago

you can just use ublock origin.

alpaca128 4y ago

> You can, at least for Youtube - the premium offering is ad-free No, it's free of YT ads but countless creators embed ads in their videos, sometimes of pretty shady businesses (see recent Established Titles controversy). The only way to get rid of all YouTube ads doesn't cost anything (uBlock + Sponsorblock). And if I pay for content I prefer to do it via Patreon, because why would I reward YouTube for constantly acting against the interests of users and content creators?