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You know what actually makes sense? Creating a setting that the user can change as they see fit.

by standardUser 4y ago

cosmojg 4y ago
Customization? On an Apple device? Are you out of your mind?
- bell-cot 4y ago
  Have you looked at how much stuff there is under Settings on a recent version of iOS? Admittedly it's not the Windows Registry, but...
  - TylerE 4y ago
    Sadly it's missing a few things that would be really nice, like being able to turn off the %*(% home bar.
    - chrisseaton 4y ago
      What's the beef with the home bar? Seems pretty innocent?
      - TylerE 4y ago
        Because I absolutey do not need it, and it's infuriating to have a high contrast item in view when using a dark app (Like, say, a video player...)
        interpol_p 4y ago
        There is an API for developers to use to signal that a view should hide the home indicator [1]. It doesn't guarantee that it will be hidden (the user may have accessibility or other options enabled which take precedence and prefer to display it) When playing fullscreen video on my phone, I do not see the home indicator, as it hides after a short delay due to most developers adopting this API. Just tested in VLC and the home indicator is hidden after about 3 seconds of fullscreen video playback [1] https://developer.apple.com/documentation/uikit/uiviewcontroller/2887510-prefershomeindicatorautohidden https://developer.apple.com/documentation/uikit/uiviewcontro...
        TylerE 4y ago
        It’s much more problematic on iPad Pro, since lots of devs don’t have one. It’s also geometrically larger, especially in landscape. Getting app developers to fix it is a very mixed bag. One app I use a lot (F1 TV) had had this issue forever, and many many many people have complained to F1 Media about it. They don’t care, apparently, and that’s a high end app that costs upwards of $80/yr Also, erm, Safari. I was actually complaining about this (with a screenshot) just yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/context?id=33770571 https://news.ycombinator.com/context?id=33770571
        uplifter 4y ago
        As stated in my sibling[0] to your comment, the developer may have limited ability to fix it, since its a preference the system will often override. That said, its literally a one line change to implement it (for each view controller class), so there is little reason for them not to put it in, even with its limited effectiveness. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33781895 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33781895
        interpol_p 4y ago
        This is not the behaviour I am seeing as I compile to my iOS devices right now. The home indicator is consistently hidden on view controllers which adopt this preference, but will reappear whenever a user interacts with the application, only to hide again after a few seconds.
        interpol_p 4y ago
        I agree that it can be annoying if the developer of an app does not adopt the correct behaviours. But in the case of Safari we should not be allowing web developers to hide persistent OS UI elements. The better solution to your screenshot, I think, is to design with safe areas[1] in mind so that the overlap does not occur and persistent OS UI remains accessible. [1] https://webkit.org/blog/7929/designing-websites-for-iphone-x/ https://webkit.org/blog/7929/designing-websites-for-iphone-x...
  - sn_master 4y ago
    > Windows Registry That's a term I haven't heard in years. I wonder if anyone still remembers the literal thousands of settings that were possible to change and all the "tweaking" programs that were made for it.
    - implements 4y ago
      Google gpedit.msc if you really want your mind blown.
    - int_19h 4y ago
      Both are still around.
  - crossroadsguy 4y ago
    Yes, I have seen. Most of them barely do anything worthwhile. It’s like publishing an entire book in title sized fonts.
- amelius 4y ago
  "10 minutes ought to be enough for anybody."
  - crossroadsguy 4y ago
    “10 minutes just works”
- blahedo 4y ago
  I recognise the current truth of this, but I feel a deep wave of sadness as I remember that the computer to have in the 90s if you wanted to customise evvvvvvery little thing was a Mac. A ton of custom aspects were available right in the base system, plus of course a seemingly infinite array of inits and cdevs to tweak things, and finally you could resort to ResEdit to modify anything by hand. Apple fell so far in the 2000s and especially the 2010s from that ideal.
mistermann 4y ago
Perhaps that didn't receive approval from a higher power.
noobface 4y ago
But options are so complicated and boring. Can I just pay you to pick the best one for me?
- harry8 4y ago
  Pay apple, multiple recurring subscriptions to do what they want you to do. This is always the answer.
  - harry8 4y ago
    I want to play this spotify track through my appleTV. A. No, you can't, it doesn't work without rebooting the appleTV, which will work but only until you pause the music. A: "You can pay for an apple music sub." I want enough space on my phone. A: No. You Can't. We're taking that for OS stuff to sell you things you don't want. A: "Buy a new phone with more storage and a vastly inflated flash price." Or A: "You can pay apple a sub to have your private files hackable and released as "the fappening" like happened to Jennifer Lawrence." You'll have to take steps to avoid this if you are able which you might no be, ha! I don't want any of my private files from my phone or my computer on someone else's computer. Have you tried using apple without paying for their backup service? You probably did manage, do a survey of your friends to see how they went. I want to use firefox with uBlock origin (or whatever) on my phone. No, you can't. I'm sure there's a way to pay apple for something to do something I don't want here. Chime in with it. I want to run Kodi on my appleTV to be able to watch my DVD library that I own, using the device that I own plugged into the tv that I own. A: "No. You can't. You can pay apple a sub for appleTV the app which entitles you to pay again for anything you actually want to watch that you already own." The answer is always pay apple more money and probably a recurring payment. Always. And by design. They pay economists to optimise the models to make it happen. I want to pay Mary for her app. A: "No you can't, you can pay apple and apple can tax Mary 30% of her gross revenue for a service you can't opt out of. You pay apple to be their product. The market power is utterly phenomenal. The answer is always pay Apple more money.
- selfhoster11 4y ago
  Yes, that's called having a default, and it's a good thing. An even better thing is to let someone change it afterwards, if they want to.
moralestapia 4y ago
That would be nice, right? Unfortunately, <queue some made up story from Apple's PR team about how some soldier's lives were saved by limiting AirDrop time to exactly 10 minutes>.

You know what actually makes sense? Creating a setting that the user can change as they see fit.

cosmojg 4y ago

Customization? On an Apple device? Are you out of your mind?

bell-cot 4y ago
Have you looked at how much stuff there is under Settings on a recent version of iOS? Admittedly it's not the Windows Registry, but...
- TylerE 4y ago
  Sadly it's missing a few things that would be really nice, like being able to turn off the %*(% home bar.
  - chrisseaton 4y ago
    What's the beef with the home bar? Seems pretty innocent?
    - TylerE 4y ago
      Because I absolutey do not need it, and it's infuriating to have a high contrast item in view when using a dark app (Like, say, a video player...)
      - interpol_p 4y ago
        There is an API for developers to use to signal that a view should hide the home indicator [1]. It doesn't guarantee that it will be hidden (the user may have accessibility or other options enabled which take precedence and prefer to display it) When playing fullscreen video on my phone, I do not see the home indicator, as it hides after a short delay due to most developers adopting this API. Just tested in VLC and the home indicator is hidden after about 3 seconds of fullscreen video playback [1] https://developer.apple.com/documentation/uikit/uiviewcontroller/2887510-prefershomeindicatorautohidden https://developer.apple.com/documentation/uikit/uiviewcontro...
        TylerE 4y ago
        It’s much more problematic on iPad Pro, since lots of devs don’t have one. It’s also geometrically larger, especially in landscape. Getting app developers to fix it is a very mixed bag. One app I use a lot (F1 TV) had had this issue forever, and many many many people have complained to F1 Media about it. They don’t care, apparently, and that’s a high end app that costs upwards of $80/yr Also, erm, Safari. I was actually complaining about this (with a screenshot) just yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/context?id=33770571 https://news.ycombinator.com/context?id=33770571
        uplifter 4y ago
        As stated in my sibling[0] to your comment, the developer may have limited ability to fix it, since its a preference the system will often override. That said, its literally a one line change to implement it (for each view controller class), so there is little reason for them not to put it in, even with its limited effectiveness. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33781895 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33781895
        interpol_p 4y ago
        This is not the behaviour I am seeing as I compile to my iOS devices right now. The home indicator is consistently hidden on view controllers which adopt this preference, but will reappear whenever a user interacts with the application, only to hide again after a few seconds.
        interpol_p 4y ago
        I agree that it can be annoying if the developer of an app does not adopt the correct behaviours. But in the case of Safari we should not be allowing web developers to hide persistent OS UI elements. The better solution to your screenshot, I think, is to design with safe areas[1] in mind so that the overlap does not occur and persistent OS UI remains accessible. [1] https://webkit.org/blog/7929/designing-websites-for-iphone-x/ https://webkit.org/blog/7929/designing-websites-for-iphone-x...
- sn_master 4y ago
  > Windows Registry That's a term I haven't heard in years. I wonder if anyone still remembers the literal thousands of settings that were possible to change and all the "tweaking" programs that were made for it.
  - implements 4y ago
    Google gpedit.msc if you really want your mind blown.
  - int_19h 4y ago
    Both are still around.
- crossroadsguy 4y ago
  Yes, I have seen. Most of them barely do anything worthwhile. It’s like publishing an entire book in title sized fonts.
amelius 4y ago
"10 minutes ought to be enough for anybody."
- crossroadsguy 4y ago
  “10 minutes just works”
blahedo 4y ago
I recognise the current truth of this, but I feel a deep wave of sadness as I remember that the computer to have in the 90s if you wanted to customise evvvvvvery little thing was a Mac. A ton of custom aspects were available right in the base system, plus of course a seemingly infinite array of inits and cdevs to tweak things, and finally you could resort to ResEdit to modify anything by hand. Apple fell so far in the 2000s and especially the 2010s from that ideal.

mistermann 4y ago

Perhaps that didn't receive approval from a higher power.

noobface 4y ago

But options are so complicated and boring. Can I just pay you to pick the best one for me?

harry8 4y ago
Pay apple, multiple recurring subscriptions to do what they want you to do. This is always the answer.
- harry8 4y ago
  I want to play this spotify track through my appleTV. A. No, you can't, it doesn't work without rebooting the appleTV, which will work but only until you pause the music. A: "You can pay for an apple music sub." I want enough space on my phone. A: No. You Can't. We're taking that for OS stuff to sell you things you don't want. A: "Buy a new phone with more storage and a vastly inflated flash price." Or A: "You can pay apple a sub to have your private files hackable and released as "the fappening" like happened to Jennifer Lawrence." You'll have to take steps to avoid this if you are able which you might no be, ha! I don't want any of my private files from my phone or my computer on someone else's computer. Have you tried using apple without paying for their backup service? You probably did manage, do a survey of your friends to see how they went. I want to use firefox with uBlock origin (or whatever) on my phone. No, you can't. I'm sure there's a way to pay apple for something to do something I don't want here. Chime in with it. I want to run Kodi on my appleTV to be able to watch my DVD library that I own, using the device that I own plugged into the tv that I own. A: "No. You can't. You can pay apple a sub for appleTV the app which entitles you to pay again for anything you actually want to watch that you already own." The answer is always pay apple more money and probably a recurring payment. Always. And by design. They pay economists to optimise the models to make it happen. I want to pay Mary for her app. A: "No you can't, you can pay apple and apple can tax Mary 30% of her gross revenue for a service you can't opt out of. You pay apple to be their product. The market power is utterly phenomenal. The answer is always pay Apple more money.
selfhoster11 4y ago
Yes, that's called having a default, and it's a good thing. An even better thing is to let someone change it afterwards, if they want to.

moralestapia 4y ago

That would be nice, right? Unfortunately, <queue some made up story from Apple's PR team about how some soldier's lives were saved by limiting AirDrop time to exactly 10 minutes>.