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Apple: where it's totally fine to build products with what amounts to slave labor, and aiding the CCP in censorship is totally cool too, but Twitter is far too

Apple: where it's totally fine to build products with what amounts to slave labor, and aiding the CCP in censorship is totally cool too, but Twitter is far too dangerous to be allowed on the app store because a meanie is in charge of it.

mildmotive 4y ago
mhoad 4y ago
Once again we have a situation where the only person making that final claim is a known serial liar and shit poster. Just like how last week he made that ridiculous claim about the promises he thought brand safety groups had made to him and then everybody else who was in the meeting said he was making shit up. Again.
- friedman23 4y ago
  > Once again we have a situation where the only person making that final claim is a known serial liar and shit poster. No, it's not just Elon. It is common knowledge that Apple uses this abusive behavior to censor and restrict app makers.
  - AustinDev 4y ago
    Definitely not just him. It's also very subjective they took Parler off in 2021 but didn't do anything to Discord which has huge child abuse and extremist problems. Apple seems to only act when it's politically expedient for them.
    - jmuguy 4y ago
      Except Discord views that content as a problem and Parler views it as a feature.
    - kmeisthax 4y ago
      Parler got shut down because the entire tech industry was in full-scale panic mode at potentially having helped Trump incite a riot to interfere with the US presidential election. As for Discord, Apple actually has special privileges to ban certain NSFW servers they don't like from being viewed on an iOS device. If they were to act "more" to stop child abuse and extremism, then we'd be talking about how Apple is censoring Discord for Android users. For good measure let's also point out that an App Store reviewer found CSAM on Tumblr and browbeat the company into banning all nudity and porn. The only constant of tech company moderation is that it's consistently inconsistent. Strictly speaking, Apple cannot permanently cut off every competing social network, because nobody would buy a phone with no social networking apps on them. But they can whisper in the companies' ears and demand they do a certain thing (e.g. Discord's banned-from-Apple toggle). The really big events (Parler, Tumblr) happen because of breakdown of process, not because Apple only acts when people are looking.
      - AustinDev 4y ago
        You expanded my viewpoint on these topics, thanks. I also didn't know about the Discord's 'banned-from-Apple' toggle.
elicash 4y ago
Speaking of twitter, it's weird Musk hasn't commented yet on the protests in China. Looking forward to him taking on censorship and standing for free speech around the globe, particularly in China.
- Rebelgecko 4y ago
  Twitter is already blocked in China
  - elicash 4y ago
    That does not stop him from speaking out about it, thankfully. I hope to see him doing so soon. I don't expect that his work with Tesla will stop him, given his views on free speech.
- PakG1 4y ago
  You're probably being sarcastic? I would say that's not likely to happen with how he's already bowed to China multiple times in order to get benefits for Tesla. edit: I see you commented regarding Tesla below. I'm not confident that his respect for free speech is universal. He seems to care more about the free speech that he prefers at times, mostly related to what impacts him on a personal level. That being said, that's unfortunately normal for most people too.
- kennywinker 4y ago
  https://twitter.com/TinaDesireeBerg/status/1595526214935904256 https://twitter.com/TinaDesireeBerg/status/15955262149359042... To summarize: Elon Musk: "No far left accounts have been banned from twitter" Commenter: "False, here are four examples" Elon Musk: Suspends commenters account. Champion of free speech indeed. Here is same info summarized in newsweek, since we've all learned how trustworthy twitter screenshots are in recent weeks https://www.newsweek.com/activists-accuse-elon-musk-banning-anti-fascist-accounts-twitter-1761957 https://www.newsweek.com/activists-accuse-elon-musk-banning-...
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nonameiguess 4y ago
What is this a reference to? Twitter is currently not only available in the Apple App Store, but is an Editor's Choice award winner.
- Mistletoe 4y ago
  Apple has threatened to remove it from the App Store and I would love to see that happen just for the chaos of it all.
Mistletoe 4y ago
Why not both? This is a false equivalence, they can be and are all bad.
- pessimizer 4y ago
  > This is a false equivalence > they can be and are all bad. This sentence is arguing against itself, because you felt like you had to stick two twitter cliches in. Por que no los dos? Porque cuando dos cosas no son identicas, no son identicas tampoco.
api 4y ago
Musk is also in China's pocket via Tesla. Anything to the contrary is posturing. Look into how much China factors into Tesla's bottom line. The fact is that we are all in China's pocket to some extent. We are addicted to cheap Chinese labor.
- throwaway23597 4y ago
  It's true, and it won't stop me from buying iPhones. I just wish Apple could recognize this and drop the ridiculous self-righteous moral facade. Same with pretty much all companies.
anigbrowl 4y ago
Twitter is far too dangerous to be allowed on the app store Has this actually happened, or is just another attention-seeking rumor being misrepresented as fact?
- nostromo 4y ago
  https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1597300125243944961 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1597300125243944961
  - anigbrowl 4y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33779111 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33779111
    - adam_arthur 4y ago
      The fact that Apple has threatened to withhold it at all is answer enough. But feel free to live life with your head in the sand
      - anigbrowl 4y ago
        I'm not convinced that it is a fact, though.
jjtheblunt 4y ago
what the product you typed that with built by a different contract manufacturer than whatever Apple uses? (I don't know the set of all such)
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mildmotive 4y ago

mhoad 4y ago

Once again we have a situation where the only person making that final claim is a known serial liar and shit poster. Just like how last week he made that ridiculous claim about the promises he thought brand safety groups had made to him and then everybody else who was in the meeting said he was making shit up. Again.

friedman23 4y ago
> Once again we have a situation where the only person making that final claim is a known serial liar and shit poster. No, it's not just Elon. It is common knowledge that Apple uses this abusive behavior to censor and restrict app makers.
- AustinDev 4y ago
  Definitely not just him. It's also very subjective they took Parler off in 2021 but didn't do anything to Discord which has huge child abuse and extremist problems. Apple seems to only act when it's politically expedient for them.
  - jmuguy 4y ago
    Except Discord views that content as a problem and Parler views it as a feature.
  - kmeisthax 4y ago
    Parler got shut down because the entire tech industry was in full-scale panic mode at potentially having helped Trump incite a riot to interfere with the US presidential election. As for Discord, Apple actually has special privileges to ban certain NSFW servers they don't like from being viewed on an iOS device. If they were to act "more" to stop child abuse and extremism, then we'd be talking about how Apple is censoring Discord for Android users. For good measure let's also point out that an App Store reviewer found CSAM on Tumblr and browbeat the company into banning all nudity and porn. The only constant of tech company moderation is that it's consistently inconsistent. Strictly speaking, Apple cannot permanently cut off every competing social network, because nobody would buy a phone with no social networking apps on them. But they can whisper in the companies' ears and demand they do a certain thing (e.g. Discord's banned-from-Apple toggle). The really big events (Parler, Tumblr) happen because of breakdown of process, not because Apple only acts when people are looking.
    - AustinDev 4y ago
      You expanded my viewpoint on these topics, thanks. I also didn't know about the Discord's 'banned-from-Apple' toggle.

elicash 4y ago

Speaking of twitter, it's weird Musk hasn't commented yet on the protests in China. Looking forward to him taking on censorship and standing for free speech around the globe, particularly in China.

Rebelgecko 4y ago
Twitter is already blocked in China
- elicash 4y ago
  That does not stop him from speaking out about it, thankfully. I hope to see him doing so soon. I don't expect that his work with Tesla will stop him, given his views on free speech.
PakG1 4y ago
You're probably being sarcastic? I would say that's not likely to happen with how he's already bowed to China multiple times in order to get benefits for Tesla. edit: I see you commented regarding Tesla below. I'm not confident that his respect for free speech is universal. He seems to care more about the free speech that he prefers at times, mostly related to what impacts him on a personal level. That being said, that's unfortunately normal for most people too.
kennywinker 4y ago
https://twitter.com/TinaDesireeBerg/status/1595526214935904256 https://twitter.com/TinaDesireeBerg/status/15955262149359042... To summarize: Elon Musk: "No far left accounts have been banned from twitter" Commenter: "False, here are four examples" Elon Musk: Suspends commenters account. Champion of free speech indeed. Here is same info summarized in newsweek, since we've all learned how trustworthy twitter screenshots are in recent weeks https://www.newsweek.com/activists-accuse-elon-musk-banning-anti-fascist-accounts-twitter-1761957 https://www.newsweek.com/activists-accuse-elon-musk-banning-...
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nonameiguess 4y ago

What is this a reference to? Twitter is currently not only available in the Apple App Store, but is an Editor's Choice award winner.

Mistletoe 4y ago
Apple has threatened to remove it from the App Store and I would love to see that happen just for the chaos of it all.

Mistletoe 4y ago

Why not both? This is a false equivalence, they can be and are all bad.

pessimizer 4y ago
> This is a false equivalence > they can be and are all bad. This sentence is arguing against itself, because you felt like you had to stick two twitter cliches in. Por que no los dos? Porque cuando dos cosas no son identicas, no son identicas tampoco.

api 4y ago

Musk is also in China's pocket via Tesla. Anything to the contrary is posturing. Look into how much China factors into Tesla's bottom line. The fact is that we are all in China's pocket to some extent. We are addicted to cheap Chinese labor.

throwaway23597 4y ago
It's true, and it won't stop me from buying iPhones. I just wish Apple could recognize this and drop the ridiculous self-righteous moral facade. Same with pretty much all companies.

anigbrowl 4y ago

Twitter is far too dangerous to be allowed on the app store Has this actually happened, or is just another attention-seeking rumor being misrepresented as fact?

nostromo 4y ago
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1597300125243944961 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1597300125243944961
- anigbrowl 4y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33779111 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33779111
  - adam_arthur 4y ago
    The fact that Apple has threatened to withhold it at all is answer enough. But feel free to live life with your head in the sand
    - anigbrowl 4y ago
      I'm not convinced that it is a fact, though.

jjtheblunt 4y ago

what the product you typed that with built by a different contract manufacturer than whatever Apple uses? (I don't know the set of all such)

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