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Shanghai protestors calling for the end of Xi Jinping's rule
- tru3_power 4y agoWill anything come out of this
- Melting_Harps 4y ago> Will anything come out of this I sincerely hope so, this was the only way that the Yellow movement would have any meaningful impact after the fall of HK: inspire mainlanders to start taking the necessary actions towards the CCP after what has been a totally disillusion period of prosperity financed entirely on their own eventual oppression and abject compliance. Exceptionalism is what allows for these travesties to occur in the first place, once the harm is turned inward as a result covid policy and economic downturns would they be open to hear any of this: how soon did they forget about the efforts of Dr. Li Wenliang [0] who was censored by the CCP and ultimately died of COVID after the initial outcry? 0: https://archive.ph/tS3pw https://archive.ph/tS3pw
- mwint 4y ago“Of Covid” needs some enormous scare quotes there.
- Melting_Harps 4y ago> “Of Covid” needs some enormous scare quotes there. Granted, but his untimely death was in part due to a positive COVID diagnosis and the organ failure that following his vocal appeal to the public about the dangers of this emerging danger: > By the morning of Feb. 6, doctors wrote in the progress notes that Dr. Li was at risk of multiple organ failure. Several physicians we spoke to said that Dr. Li’s condition was so serious that his medical team should have at this point, or before it, considered intubating him and placed him on a ventilator — a higher level of oxygen support.
- dirtyid 4y agoUrumqi ones, yes already relaxed covid measures because frankly XJ lockdown past 3 months was stupid excessive and protest by actual commoners. CCP listens to these, even Uyghurs in XJ. These "rest of China" protests which are mostly coordinated student protesters - not commoners - many of whom admittly have very shitty dorm situations to be locked down in, probably not. I'd expect opposite, academic punishments, being expelled etc, especially Shanghai or other "libtard" schools. Like Shanghai protest being coordinated on telegram with RFA and Epoche Times reporters, those that get associated are going to be fucked. The TLDR is until their parents get on the streets, enmass, this will pass.
- zht 4y agoLibtard schools?
- balsam 4y agoHe might have meant instead, either the Nanjing, or Xi’an libtard schools. Two colleges known for the recent protests are the Xi’An Fine Arts School and also the Nanjing Media School. These two majors are coindicated with libtardation in the West are they not? The equivalent term in Chinese is, I think, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baizuo https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baizuo >The term has been referenced approvingly by American conservatives, including Tucker Carlson and Rod Dreher.[12]
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- powerapple 4y agoI hope not. The alternative is going to be rubbish. It is like every single worker in a company think their CEO is shit, and they can take his job with comfort. In reality, it is only going to be worse. Xi's not great, also alternative is not great either. I just hope they can find a solution to current problem, and move on.
- throwawaybutwhy 4y agoAre the protests in any way related to what happened at the latest party convention?
- powerapple 4y agoI don't have any inside knowledge unfortunately. The clip I watched was someone shouting about covid policy, but it may not be the theme for others. Foxconn workers happened a few days ago was mainly about compensation, of course covid policy can be one factor, but it was not correctly portrayed in media. I accidentally watched a clip on Chinese TikTok, this multi-city protests were announced vaguely by some random guy, so I believe this is at least organized. I would think there are supporters in government. My understanding is that politicians are always politicians, people may be protest something, politicians can support/oppose it for totally different reasons. So yes and no. I sense there is a lot going on. The government is now at a very awkward position.
- qwezxcrty 4y agoWhile I hope yes, no.
- t0bia_s 4y agoIf there will be another mysterious leak of virus, as it was in late 2019 when there was huge protests in Hong Kong, probably not.
- anshumankmr 4y agomusic to my ears More footage: https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/z5s107/protestors_in_shanghai_china_call_for_end_of_ccp/ https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/z5s107/protesto...
- hkmaxpro 4y agoNot just Shanghainese are protesting. People in numerous cities (Beijing, Chongqing, Nanjing, Nanzhou, etc) are holding memorials of the 10 people killed in a fire while being presumably locked in their apartments in Xinjiang. [0] [0] https://news.sky.com/story/end-the-lockdown-protests-in-china-after-10-killed-in-apartment-block-fire-during-strict-covid-restrictions-12755824 https://news.sky.com/story/end-the-lockdown-protests-in-chin... [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/real_China_irl/comments/z5cux2/%E5%8C%97%E5%A4%A7%E4%B9%89%E5%A3%AB%E6%9C%AC%E8%B4%B9%E6%8B%89%E6%B3%AA%E7%9B%AE%E4%BA%86/ https://www.reddit.com/r/real_China_irl/comments/z5cux2/%E5%... [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/real_China_irl/comments/z5tpby/%E6%B8%85%E5%8D%8E%E7%8E%B0%E5%9C%BA%E4%BA%BA%E8%B6%8A%E6%9D%A5%E8%B6%8A%E5%A4%9A/ https://www.reddit.com/r/real_China_irl/comments/z5tpby/%E6%... [3] https://www.reddit.com/r/real_China_irl/comments/z55byg/%E5%8D%97%E4%BA%AC%E4%BC%A0%E5%AA%92%E5%AD%A6%E9%99%A2%E8%87%AA%E5%8F%91%E7%BB%84%E7%BB%87%E8%BF%BD%E6%82%BC%E4%BC%9A%E7%8E%B0%E5%9C%BA%E9%AB%98%E5%96%8A%E4%BA%BA%E6%B0%91%E4%B8%87%E5%B2%81%E9%80%9D%E8%80%85%E5%AE%89%E6%81%AF/ https://www.reddit.com/r/real_China_irl/comments/z55byg/%E5%...
- cuteboy19 4y ago>killed in a fire while being presumably locked in their apartments Horrifying. Is locking the apt still the norm in China?
- hkmaxpro 4y agoA widely circulated video of the presumed victims showed them yelling “Help, (we are on the) 16th Floor. We are out of oxygen. Our child is going to die. We are so out of oxygen.” The victims were said to be calling for help on WeChat. Another video claimed that firetrucks couldn’t get close to the district of the fire due to (presumably Covid) blockage. [0] [0] https://www.i-cable.com/%E6%96%B0%E8%81%9E%E8%B3%87%E8%A8%8A/%E4%B8%AD%E5%9C%8B%E5%9C%A8%E7%B7%9A/74395/%E6%96%B0%E7%96%86%E7%83%8F%E9%AD%AF%E6%9C%A8%E9%BD%8A%E5%A4%A7%E5%BB%88%E8%B5%B7%E7%81%AB%E9%87%8010%E6%AD%BB9%E5%82%B7-%E5%82%B3%E5%B0%81%E6%8E%A7%E9%98%BB%E6%B6%88%E9%98%B2%E7%81%8C/ https://www.i-cable.com/%E6%96%B0%E8%81%9E%E8%B3%87%E8%A8%8A...
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- MuffinFlavored 4y agoApologies upfront if I am misinformed/out of the loop: Why does the Chinese government want to hinder their economic output by forcing their population to need to stay indoors? Are they genuinely afraid of COVID still or is there a different reason? What's the "truth" if you will?
- germandiago 4y agoI am pretty sure the reasons are different. It does not make sense to make such a hard lockdown in my eyes.
- abudabi123 4y agoIs the ruling Communist Party government wanting one third of one half of all the windfall gains in the global supply chain since 2012 for the little people workers/subcontractors and not the Wall Street wolves Xi Jinping's Communist Party insider political enemies leak to as if Wikileaks?
- caligarn 4y agoThe Chinese government refuses to deploy non-Chinese vaccines. The concern has been that the Chinese vaccine is harmful or ineffective with the elders, so not having lockdowns causes a surge in the elderly being hospitalized or dying.
- mlindner 4y agoI've found this video rather illustrative on why. https://nebula.tv/videos/polymatter-why-china-wont-abandon-zerocovid https://nebula.tv/videos/polymatter-why-china-wont-abandon-z...
- powerapple 4y agoChinese olders refuse to have vaccines, they don't like anything to be injected into their body. They use herbs when they are sick. My dad refused my mom to take a MRI scan. Now you want them to have boosters every 6 months, no way.
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- tempaccount112 4y agoFor those not following this, it has been a powder keg. Deaths keep happening under the quarantine, and China keeps rushing to censor them. Another recent event was 27 people dying in a bus crash, en route to be quarantined: https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/18/asia/china-guizhou-quarantine-bus-intl https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/18/asia/china-guizhou-quarantine...
- caligarn 4y agoI see a lot of enthusiasm for these protests, but I think the caveat here is that we in the west get to see these protests, footage, and headlines, but truth is the majority of Chinese people do not see this. I think the biggest problem for people in China is access to information like this.
- themodelplumber 4y agoAccording to people in China it's all over state approved social media, not just Western sources. Edit: Posted there, presumably seen by many, then taken down later. https://twitter.com/vivianwubeijing/status/1596682638131171328?t=vva981A0mU1Z-CDjbvmfbA&s=19 https://twitter.com/vivianwubeijing/status/15966826381311713... (Note that this journo appears to be threatened downthread, in Chinese on Twitter) At least one journo, maybe it was this one, says they've seen nothing like it in their 10 years there. Edit: 51 universities have also seen protests. Seemingly includes students holding signs of a formula...? https://twitter.com/vivianwubeijing/status/1596756273730502657?t=-GaM3jAqRcCdVqxNCKgtnA&s=19 https://twitter.com/vivianwubeijing/status/15967562737305026... Context: Total lockdown circumstances leading to e.g. deaths in lockdown fires. China simultaneously reporting record highs in COVID cases; Chinese vaccine apparently seen/known to be less effective than others.
- mlindner 4y agoThis is curious as China has strict control over the internet. If they didn't want to allow these posts to be up in China then they wouldn't be up (any western archives will of course stick around). Either Xi is losing control of the government or he's letting this happen for some purpose.
- sgu999 4y agoOr he's not really aware of it, or at least the scale of it, because he surrounded himself with people who wouldn't dare tell him something he may dislike.
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- dirtyid 4y agohttps://i.imgur.com/fTE2wi3.jpg https://i.imgur.com/fTE2wi3.jpg Tsinghua students being cheeky protesting with the Friedmann Equation i.e. expansion of space / open up.
- gorlami 4y agoDo you have the source for this image? (Not doubting you or anything, just interested in more context about where it was originally posted.)
- Canada 4y agoI feel so bad for the people there, what they have had to put up with for the last couple of years, and what they still have to endure. It's all so pointless.
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- hellfish 4y agoProtesting lockdowns in China == pro-democracy Protesting lockdowns in USA == "fascism" That's the pattern here. Anything that goes farther than what the US govt is doing is authoritarian. Anything critical of what the US govt is doing is "fascism" Sorry, no room for double standards here Inb4 a bunch of people who feel the need to shill for the US govt start "explaining" to me why I'm "mistaken" about this
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- hellfish 4y ago> because they believed the conspiracy theories spread online by some idiots, if not criminals with shady agendas. I wouldn't be surprised if I heard the same rhetoric out of the CCP's mouth with respect to the current protestors
- bsaul 4y agoSorry what ?? i feel like i’ve lived on a different planet. First, the reason people in the west lift lockdown has absolutely nothing to do with mrna vaccines, but with the fact that since omicron variant, covid is one or two orders of magnitudes less lethal than before, which means actually something close to the flu or less (for real this time). Second, i have no idea how you got the idea that we were quick at adapting vaccines for variants. The 2021 vaccines were based of covid 19 variant, and were the ones used up to the third shot, in the late 2021 / beginning 2022, at least here in france. I’m not even sure what people are using now for the vaccine, as i don’t know anyone who took a shot since omicron. Finally, trying to conflate fringe people believing in crazy theories with all the other good reasons for protesting against 2021 lockdowns or vaccine status pass, or health workers being fired (which, imho were completely legitimate causes), is a tactic used by governments to mute contrarian opinions. Pretty much like what the chinese regime is doing right now.
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- O__________O 4y agoRefraining for comment on your theory, but assuming you’re talking about the protest in Hong Kong in 2019-2020: https://wikipedia.org/wiki/2019–2020_Hong_Kong_protests https://wikipedia.org/wiki/2019–2020_Hong_Kong_protests
- dr_dshiv 4y agoIs there a good rundown of current Covid science? I want to understand “what we should have done, if we had known.”
- ngcc_hk 4y agoI lost hope. Even though hope sometimes meant faith and sometimes meant believe in something which offer no hope. 2 years hk, 20 years of trying to get them in and be part of but turn out it use its power to suppress internal and external fire (and even offer totalitarianism as alternative to human existence), not to mention 20 years of Beijing protest … 2000 years of ok with imperialism (from qin to now) and even colonialism (qing dynasty). Not sure it can be changed. Just another one bite the dust. Or should we keep on hoping.
- sfusato 4y agoThere were plenty of mass protests in the West in 2020/2021/2022 that the mass media simply refused to cover since they were standing with the government and didn't even tried to hide the allegiance. Though they have no issue cheering on protests that align with their masters interest.
- zht 4y agoI see plenty of mentions by Chinese expats on social media as well.
- sfusato 4y agoI'm not saying there are no protests in China. I've seen plenty of mentions myself and reports of the draconian measures implemented there. I'm just pointing out the double standards in the West's media.
- emptysongglass 4y agoThey're a double standard you invented. Your claims are simply false and yet more of the example of false equivalence we see tarried out so often by sympathizers to these horrific regimes.
- lajosbacs 4y agoWhat is wrong with playing on your own team? West can be critical of China just as China can be critical of the west. And B, I lived in or visited cities where protest were happening (in France, Switzerland, Czechia) and they were covered as one would expect them to be. Could you back your claim?
- 9864250 4y agoThe media should not be on the same team as the government.
- notfromhere 4y agoThis isn’t true. COViD protests got a ton of coverage.
- caligarn 4y agoMultiple people on this thread saying that Chinese people do see these protests and that it is all over state media. I’d welcome the data and evidence for that.