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Apple says: "When using electronic accessories with your iPhone, ensure that they are either genuine Apple products or that they have been certified as Made fo

Apple says: "When using electronic accessories with your iPhone, ensure that they are either genuine Apple products or that they have been certified as Made for iPhone under the MFi program. Certified items come with the "Made for iPhone" logo on them and/or on their packaging. (...) Using uncertified or counterfeit accessories may damage your iPhone and/or adversely affect operation. Apple's warranty does not cover damage caused by use with a third party product that does not meet Apple's specifications." So you have to buy Apple charger to be able to use iPhone "correctly" and to preserve warrant.

crazygringo 4y ago
No, that's simply not true. A charger is no more an accessory than an electrical outlet is. Obviously you can use any charger you want, and your warranty will be just fine.
- NikolaNovak 4y ago
  Are you saying that as a lawyer experienced in this area of law and location... or like my dad dispenses legal advice, because "it's obviously true (to him)"? The OP quoted written Apple policy. If you want to persuasively negate it, it should have more than "Nope!" in response.
  - crazygringo 4y ago
    Let's put it this way: in reality, how is Apple ever going to know what charger you used? Obviously it can't. So in practice, which is all that matters, it can never void your warranty. And let's keep in mind, the entire purpose of a standard USB-C port is that you can use any charger. Otherwise Apple would use a proprietary connector on its charger, which it has never done. So let's just stay in the realm of common sense here, OK? :) No need to be demanding whether someone is a lawyer, sheesh.
    - NikolaNovak 4y ago
      Fair enough; I should have said "as someone with legal expertise in this area", not "as a lawyer". But I DO believe it's important to distinguish when one is dispensing legal experience (even if not advice), vs "common sense". Different people will have different preferences and fair enough, but for what little it may be worth, I tend to come to HN to read about (ridiculously frequent and that's what makes this place wonderful!:) people's experience in obscure areas ("I read that article and I worked on Apollo software, here's how it works!" "Yeah, my experience in 2km hole drilling is different...", "CRISPR is great but here's the extremely obscure yet fascinating cutting edge biotechnology area I'm working on" etc), less so about common sense exchange :-)
    - twawaaay 4y ago
      > And let's keep in mind, the entire purpose of a standard USB-C port is that you can use any charger. What the stated purpose is is irrelevant. The reality is that not all usb devices or even cables are the same. If you don't buy Apple charger and cable you might be sorrily disappointed your phone charges at glacial speeds with the one that was laying around your house and worked perfectly for another device. And if you don't know the many charging standards you might conclude the only way to resolve the issue is to actually buy Apple cable and charger. My wife can't even name various USB connectors when she asks me if I have so and so cable. Forget about charging or transmission standards, this is something she cannot grasp. For her if the connectors fit they should be working properly. I also am of the same opinion but I also know that it is not how it works in reality.
    - cesarb 4y ago
      > how is Apple ever going to know what charger you used? I don't know if they do it, but it's very easy to have a communication channel between the device and the charger. For instance, my Dell laptop knows whether it's being used with a 65W charger or with a 90W charger, even though the plug and the voltage is the same in both cases.
      - wisnoskij 4y ago
        They dont need to know. Famously apple used to deny warranty claims if their moisture sensor tripped. All they will do if see if the internal PSU is melted and say you used a offbrand charger, and that is your fault.
- marcosdumay 4y ago
  Are you claiming that the warranty doesn't have this condition? Because yes, there is an entire level of bullshit on the requirement (the Brazilian Law also forbids that kind of bullshit), but if Apple claims that the charger is a requirement, how can they come and claim it's optional for the intent of not giving you one?
MerelyMortal 4y ago
No, your assertion is not a logical deduction from the text you quoted. The first paragraph does not list any consequenses for not using Apple accessories. The second paragraph says that non-Apple accessories *MAY* damage the phone, and that specific damage is not covered under warranty. (Just be aware that in the U.S., the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act requires Apple to *prove* that you caused specific damage before they can deny the warranty coverage for that specific issue.) Edit: If the assertion is logically true from the two paragraphs that were quoted, I would love to hear why, because it simply isn't possible. Downvotes do not automatically mean someone is wrong. Most people are not aware of consumer protections they have, believe companies when they lie, have poor reading comprehension skills, and are emotionally-invested to believe in what they believe is the truth (there has to be a better way to say that last item, any ideas?). Edit 2: added parenthesis around text based on feedback from a reply.
- twawaaay 4y ago
  > The second paragraph says that non-Apple accessories MAY damage the phone, and that specific damage is not covered under warranty. I would hazard a guess that great majority of people in Brazil do not have either technical or legal knowledge to understand this. Or ability to read specifications and documentation with understanding. They see officially and seriously sounding warning from Apple and they feel the have to go buy a charger and a cable or loose warranty. > Just be aware that in the U.S., the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act requires Apple (...) Except we are talking Brazil, not US.
  - MerelyMortal 4y ago
    > we are talking Brazil, not US I'm aware, that's why I stated "in the U.S.". I added parenthesis to help avoid further confusion. > great majority of people in Brazil do not have either technical or legal knowledge to understand this Are you a Brazilian speaking for a culture you are a part of?

crazygringo 4y ago

No, that's simply not true. A charger is no more an accessory than an electrical outlet is. Obviously you can use any charger you want, and your warranty will be just fine.

NikolaNovak 4y ago
Are you saying that as a lawyer experienced in this area of law and location... or like my dad dispenses legal advice, because "it's obviously true (to him)"? The OP quoted written Apple policy. If you want to persuasively negate it, it should have more than "Nope!" in response.
- crazygringo 4y ago
  Let's put it this way: in reality, how is Apple ever going to know what charger you used? Obviously it can't. So in practice, which is all that matters, it can never void your warranty. And let's keep in mind, the entire purpose of a standard USB-C port is that you can use any charger. Otherwise Apple would use a proprietary connector on its charger, which it has never done. So let's just stay in the realm of common sense here, OK? :) No need to be demanding whether someone is a lawyer, sheesh.
  - NikolaNovak 4y ago
    Fair enough; I should have said "as someone with legal expertise in this area", not "as a lawyer". But I DO believe it's important to distinguish when one is dispensing legal experience (even if not advice), vs "common sense". Different people will have different preferences and fair enough, but for what little it may be worth, I tend to come to HN to read about (ridiculously frequent and that's what makes this place wonderful!:) people's experience in obscure areas ("I read that article and I worked on Apollo software, here's how it works!" "Yeah, my experience in 2km hole drilling is different...", "CRISPR is great but here's the extremely obscure yet fascinating cutting edge biotechnology area I'm working on" etc), less so about common sense exchange :-)
  - twawaaay 4y ago
    > And let's keep in mind, the entire purpose of a standard USB-C port is that you can use any charger. What the stated purpose is is irrelevant. The reality is that not all usb devices or even cables are the same. If you don't buy Apple charger and cable you might be sorrily disappointed your phone charges at glacial speeds with the one that was laying around your house and worked perfectly for another device. And if you don't know the many charging standards you might conclude the only way to resolve the issue is to actually buy Apple cable and charger. My wife can't even name various USB connectors when she asks me if I have so and so cable. Forget about charging or transmission standards, this is something she cannot grasp. For her if the connectors fit they should be working properly. I also am of the same opinion but I also know that it is not how it works in reality.
  - cesarb 4y ago
    > how is Apple ever going to know what charger you used? I don't know if they do it, but it's very easy to have a communication channel between the device and the charger. For instance, my Dell laptop knows whether it's being used with a 65W charger or with a 90W charger, even though the plug and the voltage is the same in both cases.
    - wisnoskij 4y ago
      They dont need to know. Famously apple used to deny warranty claims if their moisture sensor tripped. All they will do if see if the internal PSU is melted and say you used a offbrand charger, and that is your fault.
marcosdumay 4y ago
Are you claiming that the warranty doesn't have this condition? Because yes, there is an entire level of bullshit on the requirement (the Brazilian Law also forbids that kind of bullshit), but if Apple claims that the charger is a requirement, how can they come and claim it's optional for the intent of not giving you one?

MerelyMortal 4y ago

No, your assertion is not a logical deduction from the text you quoted. The first paragraph does not list any consequenses for not using Apple accessories. The second paragraph says that non-Apple accessories *MAY* damage the phone, and that specific damage is not covered under warranty. (Just be aware that in the U.S., the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act requires Apple to *prove* that you caused specific damage before they can deny the warranty coverage for that specific issue.) Edit: If the assertion is logically true from the two paragraphs that were quoted, I would love to hear why, because it simply isn't possible. Downvotes do not automatically mean someone is wrong. Most people are not aware of consumer protections they have, believe companies when they lie, have poor reading comprehension skills, and are emotionally-invested to believe in what they believe is the truth (there has to be a better way to say that last item, any ideas?). Edit 2: added parenthesis around text based on feedback from a reply.

twawaaay 4y ago
> The second paragraph says that non-Apple accessories MAY damage the phone, and that specific damage is not covered under warranty. I would hazard a guess that great majority of people in Brazil do not have either technical or legal knowledge to understand this. Or ability to read specifications and documentation with understanding. They see officially and seriously sounding warning from Apple and they feel the have to go buy a charger and a cable or loose warranty. > Just be aware that in the U.S., the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act requires Apple (...) Except we are talking Brazil, not US.
- MerelyMortal 4y ago
  > we are talking Brazil, not US I'm aware, that's why I stated "in the U.S.". I added parenthesis to help avoid further confusion. > great majority of people in Brazil do not have either technical or legal knowledge to understand this Are you a Brazilian speaking for a culture you are a part of?