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So to block counterfiets and fencing, we need a verifiable chain of custody.

by lupire 4y ago

nine_k 4y ago
Buying a deodorant? Please show your biometric government ID.
- midasuni 4y ago
  In the U.K. you have to pay a premium not to use your corporate ID card. Tesco for example will charge a 20% markup on lunch for privacy.
  - branon 4y ago
    Interesting, got more info? Which corporations provide the ID card? Are retailers legally obligated to ask for it? Do retailers get fined by the gov't for every non-ID'd transaction? This _could_ be taken to mean that Tesco employees get a 20% discount if they flash their Tesco ID card, which sounds completely normal to my American self.
    - midasuni 4y ago
      If you don’t get a Tesco (Major U.K. corporation) ID card scanned at the till you get charged a lot more for your food. This is normal customers, not employees.
thrwyoilarticle 4y ago
GIGO
Spooky23 4y ago
You could do that, or you could compel Amazon to not look the other way when they accept goods that “fall off the truck”.
bombcar 4y ago
Or just a database of serial numbers.
- nradov 4y ago
  A database of serial numbers alone wouldn't be sufficient. Counterfeiters frequently copy real serial numbers and print them on fake products. There are more effective means such as tamper resistant RFID tags, but those aren't cost effective for cheap items. And often no one bothers to check anyway.
  - WalterSear 4y ago
    None of this refutes the fact that a blockchain would have all the same problems plus a whole load more.
    - nradov 4y ago
      I never claimed that a blockchain would help.
    - Scoundreller 4y ago
      Let's keep that part quiet from our VCs
  - bombcar 4y ago
    It was more for tracking stolen product.
  - webnrrd2k 4y ago
    I think serial numbers would be enough to stop the vast majority of people selling stolen items. It would require companies to track serial numbers that go into the store, and serial numbers of items put on shelves, or otherwise legally leave the store. After a while, it'll be clear which items & serial numbers were legelly sold vs. stolen. And, to address the original point, copied stolen serial numbers still aren't any good. The serial numbers of stolen items get reported to the authorities and/or Amazon, and it becomes their legal problem. As another post in this thread poins out, pawn shops have to do something similar to check for stolen items. So there is some sort of legal framework in place. Im not saying that this should be i plemented or anything, I'm just trying to say that individual serial numbers might work. It will not be easy to implement, and cost money. But so does rampant theft. Maybe it's worth pursuing.

So to block counterfiets and fencing, we need a verifiable chain of custody.

by lupire 4y ago

So to block counterfiets and fencing, we need a verifiable chain of custody.

nine_k 4y ago

Buying a deodorant? Please show your biometric government ID.

midasuni 4y ago
In the U.K. you have to pay a premium not to use your corporate ID card. Tesco for example will charge a 20% markup on lunch for privacy.
- branon 4y ago
  Interesting, got more info? Which corporations provide the ID card? Are retailers legally obligated to ask for it? Do retailers get fined by the gov't for every non-ID'd transaction? This _could_ be taken to mean that Tesco employees get a 20% discount if they flash their Tesco ID card, which sounds completely normal to my American self.
  - midasuni 4y ago
    If you don’t get a Tesco (Major U.K. corporation) ID card scanned at the till you get charged a lot more for your food. This is normal customers, not employees.

thrwyoilarticle 4y ago

GIGO

Spooky23 4y ago

You could do that, or you could compel Amazon to not look the other way when they accept goods that “fall off the truck”.

bombcar 4y ago

Or just a database of serial numbers.

nradov 4y ago
A database of serial numbers alone wouldn't be sufficient. Counterfeiters frequently copy real serial numbers and print them on fake products. There are more effective means such as tamper resistant RFID tags, but those aren't cost effective for cheap items. And often no one bothers to check anyway.
- WalterSear 4y ago
  None of this refutes the fact that a blockchain would have all the same problems plus a whole load more.
  - nradov 4y ago
    I never claimed that a blockchain would help.
  - Scoundreller 4y ago
    Let's keep that part quiet from our VCs
- bombcar 4y ago
  It was more for tracking stolen product.
- webnrrd2k 4y ago
  I think serial numbers would be enough to stop the vast majority of people selling stolen items. It would require companies to track serial numbers that go into the store, and serial numbers of items put on shelves, or otherwise legally leave the store. After a while, it'll be clear which items & serial numbers were legelly sold vs. stolen. And, to address the original point, copied stolen serial numbers still aren't any good. The serial numbers of stolen items get reported to the authorities and/or Amazon, and it becomes their legal problem. As another post in this thread poins out, pawn shops have to do something similar to check for stolen items. So there is some sort of legal framework in place. Im not saying that this should be i plemented or anything, I'm just trying to say that individual serial numbers might work. It will not be easy to implement, and cost money. But so does rampant theft. Maybe it's worth pursuing.