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George Hotz becomes a Twitter intern to fix search
- georgemcbay 4y agoAnd he's Tom Sawyering others to do the job for him, without any access to the actual backend: https://twitter.com/realGeorgeHotz/status/1595270867402956801 https://twitter.com/realGeorgeHotz/status/159527086740295680... 2022 is so weird.
- Apocryphon 4y agoMaybe modern web development is just that bad
- cullinap 4y agothis
- HappySweeney 4y agoMaybe hacking and front-end dev are very different skillsets, and being gifted at one does not automatically make you even competent at the other.
- Apocryphon 4y agoAgreed. Guess he's dipping into the social engineering aspect of hacking by getting actual FE devs to do the work for him.
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- quonn 4y agoSocial engineering by loosing face.
- mrguyorama 4y agoThe reason so many coders think coding bootcamps are viable and a CS degree is not a good fit or not useful for a dev is because they are all javascript plumbers and haven't seen good code in their life. If plumbing was done with the same skill level, talent, and rigor as most websites, your average bathroom would look like the pipes screensaver.
- Ptchd 4y ago> Looking for a one liner I paste in my JavaScript console to enable good "from:"
- onetrickwolf 4y agoI don't really see how this would make sense or even be possible purely from the frontend, I think you'd need to modify the typeahead service unless I am misunderstanding the requirements.
- Gunnerhead 4y agoI’m honestly wondering the same thing. I’m convinced I’m misunderstanding the requirements given the constraints.
- quonn 4y agoExactly and with any modern frontend a solution "purely from the javascript console" can only be a terrible DOM hack. The actual code driving the UI is encapsulated from the global variable namespace that you can potentially modify from the console and in any case is typically transpiled as well.
- silisili 4y agoGood lord. I can't imagine bragging, taking a job, then immediately asking other people how to do it.
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- dqpb 4y agoYou can't imagine being a manager?
- itsyaboi 4y agoHotz is an intern not a manager. That's why people are surprised by the audacity of the post.
- etblg 4y agoI mean if we all want to be realistic, he's neither an intern nor a manager nor a real employee. He's a prominent person in the industry who got given an ambiguous role in the company by tweeting the CEO. I doubt there's much strict definitions towards roles and responsibilities in the company right now, other than to try and satisfy Musk.
- dqpb 4y agoAn undergrad spending a summer at Twitter is an intern. Hotz is not an intern.
- simplotek 4y ago> Good lord. I can't imagine bragging, taking a job, then immediately asking other people how to do it. This. What a public announcement of incompetence.
- goatcode 4y agoIt happens a lot in software, especially in the last half decade or so.
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- klyrs 4y agoSo, I'm all about dunking on Musk's yacht-crashing antics... but did anybody expect Hotz to sit down and write search from scratch in complete isolation? Looks to me like he might recognize the scope of the problem, and he wants to hire some people to help. Briefly: are you using "Tom Sawyering" to describe "management?"
- itsyaboi 4y agoHotz is an intern not a manager. Interns are generally expected to take on these sort of "heads down" coding tasks, not hire other interns.
- klyrs 4y agoOkay, sure, let's go with intern. Are interns not expected to ask basic questions on day one?
- Apocryphon 4y agoWhy is he not asking other Twitter employees, and if he’s going to ask the dev community, why frame it as an interview to be an intern- to an intern? If he was merely asking for help it would be less controversial.
- klyrs 4y agoIs there a "team" for him to lean on or did they all get sacked? The yacht is still on fire, after all...
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- zerohp 4y agoDid Hotz ask a basic question? No. He made an job offer while acknowledging that he doesn't know if he is allowed to do that and he stated that the interview for it is to do free labor for him.
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- memish 4y agoIt would be less weird if people would apply even the tiniest amount of good faith. But no, everyone is so eager to dunk on people trying to build things. All this is going to do is discourage him and others from being transparent and building in public. Everyone trying to tear George down for this comes off as completely miserable. It's fucking sad. > haha of course you can’t ship this, which is why the “free work” comments are so odd. > But if someone can build a half decent experience with no source and nothing, imagine what they’ll build with access. It’s who should be hired to build it in prod. https://twitter.com/realGeorgeHotz/status/1595467776713322497 https://twitter.com/realGeorgeHotz/status/159546777671332249... > Re: actually getting hired at Twitter, this is not a real interview, only do it if you find it fun! https://twitter.com/realGeorgeHotz/status/1595294481510604801 https://twitter.com/realGeorgeHotz/status/159529448151060480... > Sadly I'm awful at frontend, hoping someone here picks it up. https://twitter.com/realGeorgeHotz/status/1595181424406994944 https://twitter.com/realGeorgeHotz/status/159518142440699494... > if I just get rid of the pop up I still consider my internship a win. I have a chrome extension on my laptop to block it. reminds me of the guy who got a job at Apple, made Wallet automatically delete your expired boarding passes, and quit the next week https://twitter.com/realGeorgeHotz/status/1594908473875173377 https://twitter.com/realGeorgeHotz/status/159490847387517337...
- Apocryphon 4y agoBut what is the point of this entire exercise? Was he actually asking for React help? Is he actually hiring an intern team? Did he just want to engage the community by presenting a technical challenge? Is he signaling that Twitter is going to open itself up and invite greater developer interaction? It's all very strange. > All this is going to do is discourage him and others from being transparent and building in public. He's a celebrity hacker, he's used to it. He is not fragile, judging by his public persona.
- silisili 4y agoDo you have the backstory? George was kinda fanboying over Musk's "work harder" memo. Someone kinda mocked him. He said fine I'll intern myself to prove my point. So, Musk hires him apparently specifically to fix search. Then George makes a post asking how to fix search, under the guise of hiring them(as an intern) to do it. What is he bringing to the table at that point?
- mhh__ 4y agoEspecially after coming from a "move fast and break things"/startup type of place this is slightly embarrassing.
- alluro2 4y agoI'm confused - isn't he supposed to be an AI genius, who can "fix Twitter search" in 12 weeks - and he's asking for help that amounts to ~10 lines of basic JS to process the search results and display them differently? (based on some of the tweets with solutions he commented on)
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- jonnybgood 4y agoI would say he is irrelevant but that doesn’t discount his work. He found a niche in the autonomous driving space that targets a very specific technically-inclined consumer. In the grand scheme of the space it’s no where near adequate for mass market and the average driver. It’s a much bigger problem than Hotz and his work.
- KVFinn 4y agoDid George fully move on from Comma? I saw he was stepping back from the CEO position, but I guess I assumed he's still tinkering with the core AI stuff in the background. I wonder if Comma hit a roadblock or a plateau. I'm not smart enough to be impressed by the jailbreaking, but Comma was a long term project making physical objects you can buy and use while driving in your car right now. And from what I've seen the tiny company was keeping up with Tesla and KIA and others. Better in some ways, worse in others. But especially impressive considering it wasn't even built into the car.
- abh123 4y agoHe already removed the login prompt which was a huge annoyance as a read only user of twitter
- nar001 4y agoOlder post but he didn't, I still see it
- Ninn 4y agoI recon only a legend such as Geohot him self could achieve such a complex task, bravo!
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- bitlax 4y agoIt's sort of like modern art. Maybe you could have done it, but you didn't.
- croes 4y agoNot the same. Would have done, but Twitter didn't let me do it because I don't work for Twitter. My modern art ambitions are blocked by myself and not external parties.
- nonethewiser 4y ago> but Twitter didn't let me do it because I don't work for Twitter. So you couldn't have done it
- simplotek 4y ago> It's sort of like modern art. Maybe you could have done it, but you didn't. This makes zero sense. Changing a screen in a page is not a technical challenge. It is a Product Management call. Things are the way they are because the product owner sat with one or more UX designer and determined that that's exactly how they want the screen to be and to stay like that for all users. The only input developers have is to get the product vision to become a reality, and bolt a bunch of tests.
- croes 4y agoSo now two people try to fix Twitter after they failed to deliver FSD.
- sidibe 4y agoThey are both of the "This is all so much simpler than all the other dumb people are making it" variety of person, about to learn yet another lesson
- Raptor22 4y ago> about to learn yet another lesson Bold of you to assume they're capable of learning at this point.
- BulgarianIdiot 4y agoDunning-Kruger. It affects smart people too (for certain definitions of smart).
- georgehotz 4y agoThe FSD is actually going well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF7X7s48jRc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF7X7s48jRc Never said it would be done in a year, give it until the end of the decade.
- BulgarianIdiot 4y agoDude he said robo-taxies by 2020 as a hard deadline in 2018. Why is our memory so short? I think it's admirable they're pushing forward with these hard tasks, and I do see there's progress, and I do support them in continuing. But he definitely had promised like a dozen times now throughout the years that it'll "be done in a year". Elon's promises mean absolutely nothing at this point. EDIT: I... like totally didn't read the username I'm replying to.
- georgehotz 4y agoI’m not Elon! I’m talking about openpilot, see linked video.
- throwawaaarrgh 4y agostill a mystery to me why anyone wastes their life 140 characters at a time ....I mean. I'm wasting my life on HN. but at least I learn something from it occasionally. (job interview: someone make a filter for HN to remove all the stupid blog posts that are just opinionated rants and startup ads? I'll hire you if you do. but actually I won't hire you. but do it for me anyway)
- jmartin2683 4y agoA lot of people can’t fathom actually doing what they love for a living and what that really means, the implications that is has on your decision making process etc. I completely understand why he’d do that, and can imagine lots of cool problems that I’d do the same thing to work on. We’re blessed.
- aliswe 4y agoIsn't this guy a billionaire himself?
- motbus3 4y agoEvery sentence about George hotz skills becomes an understatement days after. It is hilarious how he gets a Wikipedia page and implement anything from scratch in just a few days.
- BulgarianIdiot 4y agoWhat has he implemented exactly from scratch in a few days? Are you impressed by his long coding session YouTube videos?
- ahurmazda 4y agoHe’s an intern much like someone humble-bragging about “going to college in Boston”.