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Eye of the Beholder: C64 Port
- mdp2021 4y agoNote the development toolchain, at https://hub.docker.com/r/jackasser/boozify https://hub.docker.com/r/jackasser/boozify
- Decabytes 4y agoI bought and played this on GOG. It was pretty good but it was hard for me to remember where I was/had been. I ended up downloading a program that mapped the level as I played it and that helped a lot. For a modern take on this style of gameplay I'd look at Legend of Grimrock 1 & 2. They are great games
- pizza234 4y ago> I ended up downloading a program that mapped the level as I played it What's the program? I've never heard of something similar, and sometimes I've wondered if they exists :)
- thaumasiotes 4y agoMaybe https://ase.zorbus.net/ https://ase.zorbus.net/ ? Note that at least one EOB game (probably all of them) involve teleportation traps that you're supposed to have to catch by watching your compass as you move - an automapper would instantly reveal that you'd been teleported, spoiling the effect.
- nsxwolf 4y agoIt's definitely a different experience playing with an automapper. I played the game with grid paper as a kid, sometimes memorizing the easier levels and sometimes laboriously mapping out the levels as I went. I played EOB2 with the maps in the official clue book, only referencing them when I was stuck. When I played again with ASE, I found that I was mostly staring at the map the whole time - literally playing the game on the map itself. A lot of the magic was gone.
- jackvalentine 4y ago> When I played again with ASE, I found that I was mostly staring at the map the whole time - literally playing the game on the map itself. A lot of the magic was gone. I find that with modern games a lot - I spend my time looking at the map and not the world in front of me.
- dasfsi 4y agoThere's also a non-free program called Grid Cartographer which is aimed mostly at tabletop game developers, I think, but it can also be used for playing old RPGs. It supports EOB and EOB2 and a few other games. http://gridcartographer.com/ http://gridcartographer.com/
- chinabot 4y agoGrimrock 2 was probably too hard, I have the same problem with a lot of these games I eventually get to a point where I am aimlessly doing things that may work or things I've missed and after several hours I either give up or check on-line for a cheat. It would be good if there was some code looking for this or a timed thing which drops a hint in-game to make the task more obvious to get to the next step
- muro 4y agoIt was not easy, though I didn't find it too hard. Possibly only the desert and a place with lots of walking mushrooms were challenging. I think it was still possible to find a quiet corner to rest in both. Running away also worked :)
- yodsanklai 4y agoIt was hard for me too. I remember spending hours drawing immense maps... on the other hand a gifted friend of mind had no problem finding his way through the mazes.
- andrewstuart 4y agoThe C64 version is dual screen with automapper: https://www.timeextension.com/news/2022/10/new-eye-of-the-beholder-c64-port-will-let-you-play-the-game-with-dual-monitors https://www.timeextension.com/news/2022/10/new-eye-of-the-be...
- aidenn0 4y agoI think that one is C128 only.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y agoI played EotB about 2 years ago for the first time and stubbornly did it the old fashioned way with groh paper. Definitely recommend anyone trying it out to use The All-Seeing Eye to automap instead.
- ralfd 4y ago> I played EotB about 2 years ago for the first time and stubbornly did it the old fashioned way with groh paper. So it didn't add anything to the experience do it the hardcore way?
- yread 4y agobut with automap you miss out on looking down to draw the crossroad you are at only to look up and see a big ass spider poisoning you
- xirdstl 4y agoI loved Grimrock. Have there been any similar games of comparable quality released since Legend of Grimrock 2 in 2014? I haven't found any that I could get into.
- pluijzer 4y agoThere is Vaporum which I myself actually liked better then Grimrock itself.
- flohofwoe 4y ago> It was pretty good but it was hard for me to remember where I was/had been. Back in those ancient times you were supposed to have grid paper and pencil ready to draw the map yourself while exploring :)
- e12e 4y agoI have fond memories of playing this with a friend - taking turns mapping and controlling the game. So much grid paper :) That, and cleaning up the maps when you ended up walking off the edge of the paper (most levels would fit on one to two sheets of a4 grid paper IIRC - but only if properly centered). There were also maps floating around on usenet(?) and walk-through published in magazines.
- andrewstuart 4y agoFor those not in the C64 scene. This is an incredible technical achievement to implement on the C64. A link to a review/video would be much more informative: "Now, after sixteen years, the finished version is finally coming out later this month. " https://www.timeextension.com/news/2022/10/new-eye-of-the-beholder-c64-port-will-let-you-play-the-game-with-dual-monitors https://www.timeextension.com/news/2022/10/new-eye-of-the-be... Developer YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVWhB_u3PeFPjLJywyDTcOA/videos https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVWhB_u3PeFPjLJywyDTcOA/vid... @dang
- classichasclass 4y agoThe conversion of the intro is very good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRsUFxT7eh8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRsUFxT7eh8
- iceburgcrm 4y agoWhere does the C64 scene hang out these days?
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- lizardactivist 4y agocsdb.dk and lemon64.com
- andrewstuart 4y agoYouTube
- VyseofArcadia 4y agoThanks for that introduction to Time Extension. Even better, I'm delighted they still offer an RSS feed.
- AdmiralAsshat 4y agoVery impressive. I only played EoB II: Darkmoon growing up, but the engines looked pretty similar. Was there a DOS source leaked somewhere, or was this completely reverse-engineered from scratch?
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- selcuka 4y agoI believe they only used the tiles (graphics) of the DOS version and re-implemented the game engine from scratch.
- ChristopherDrum 4y agoThe engine was completely reverse-engineered for the C64 (after first gaining expertise by creating an iOS version), and the project seems to have been in progress in some form or another since 2006. Based on the news I've read in Indie Retro News, it actually sounds like the art is completely done from scratch. (which makes some sense, given C64 graphics quirks/limitations). Though the exact art process hasn't been revealed, art duties were split amongst a few notable C64 pixel artists who have explicit credit for their contribution. So, near as I can tell it's 100% reverse-engineered from scratch. (early screenshots and dev info here: https://www.indieretronews.com/2022/09/eye-of-beholder-c64128-could-this-be.html https://www.indieretronews.com/2022/09/eye-of-beholder-c6412...)
- IceCreamJonsey 4y agoMore info, including a direct download link to the .crt file here: https://csdb.dk/release/index.php?id=226060 https://csdb.dk/release/index.php?id=226060
- nu11ptr 4y agoI can't quite get over how good this looks....on a C64! This is one hell of an accomplishment. Honestly I expected to barely recognize the game, but instead it looks and feels exactly like the original VGA version I played as a kid - just with what looks like a dither filter over the original graphics (which look amazing I might add). Wow, seriously impressed. How is this possible in 64K of RAM?
- kleiba 4y ago> How is this possible in 64K of RAM? The game requires "a cartridge such as an Ultimate II+, Backbit, Easy Flash 3, etc. due to its size. You will also be able to play it via VICE." [1] [1] https://theoasisbbs.com/retrobits-preview-of-eye-of-the-beholder-for-c64/ https://theoasisbbs.com/retrobits-preview-of-eye-of-the-beho...
- nu11ptr 4y agoNot familiar enough with the C64 to know what this means, but I'm assuming it means it "needs a little something extra" than a stock C64? > The C64 version has been in development for 16 years. The primary developer is Andreas Larsson along with a handful of other developers and people from the demo scene. Wow, the stamina here is amazing... 16 years? I have a hard time keeping side projects going for 1-2 years.
- kleiba 4y agoThe stock C64 came with an extension slot that allows you to plug in extra hardware - some games, for instance, you could buy as a cartridge (instead of a disk or tape) that got plugged into that slot.
- ankaAr 4y agoChapeau!
- helf 4y agoHoly shit! This is one of the most impressive things I’ve seen in a long time.
- haspok 4y agoAt first I did not understand if and how they managed to fit a running game into 64K. My original thoughts were that a memory expansion would be required. But now that the source and release are available it makes sense - the game runs on/as a cartridge, which means that static data can be pulled almost as fast as if it was in memory. It is nevertheless an outstanding achievement, the graphics are simply stunning, and the automapping feature is a nice addition. And it still all fits into 1 MB (IIRC the original PC game came on two disks)!
- boboche 4y agoJust in time after finishing recapping my C64C! Thanks form this!