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I would like to point out that if United States won't do it then other countries and large companies will take the lead. And in fact they are already doing it.

I would like to point out that if United States won't do it then other countries and large companies will take the lead. And in fact they are already doing it. And while it might not be bringing a lot of tangible returns for US citizens right now, it is projected to overtake practically every single other industry including electronics at some point in the future. Even without returns, it is simple matter of security. With another country like China taking absolute control over space US would be quickly incapable to take care of its interest here on Earth. Just imagine China deciding to incapacitate all US satellites and US having no way to respond to it. So it is same old weapons race, it is just trying to score some extra side quests a bit outside of the main quest. Haven't you ever tried to do side quests to get some extra exp to help you with main quest line?

adql 4y ago
> it is projected to overtake practically every single other industry including electronics at some point in the future. projected by who and how many % of his guesses turned out to be right ?
- kibwen 4y ago
  Presumably because somebody pointed to an asteroid somewhere and calculated that it contains a volume of platinum/gold/unobtanium that would be worth a hundred zillion kajillion trillion dollars, without taking into account that if you actually brought that much of a given precious metal into the market the price would crash to zero and we'd all be drinking Coke out of disposable platinum cans.
  - cwillu 4y ago
    On the one hand, this is technically true. On the other, this is effectively because the gains to such a large windfall cannot be captured by a single entity: Aluminium becoming so cheap as to become a nearly disposable material is a massively _good_ thing. It's not inconceivable that having platinum become plentiful might also be such a boon.
    - kibwen 4y ago
      Sure, but using aluminum as an example, if we take the modern production of aluminum (as a proxy for underlying demand) and multiply by the price of aluminum in the 1800s (when it was so incredibly precious that it was chosen to cap the Washington Monument), we would expect the modern aluminum industry to have revenues of around $100 trillion, or about 1000x what it actually has. The point is just that one cannot assume a resource extraction industry's future profitability without taking into consideration how increased supply will also lower the price of the product.
      - actionfromafar 4y ago
        How much economic benefit / efficiency did aluminium bring vs had it not existed? Impossible to tell, but a ton more than what aluminium industry pulls in.
  - ROTMetro 4y ago
    Isn't that the goal? If we can get rid of scarcity in materials and energy then everyone's living standards can go up. If we can move metal smelting off world, pollution goes down at the same time. Am I ignorant to think that would be a big positive for human kind?
    - kibwen 4y ago
      I'm not saying it's not a potential positive for society, rather I'm saying that the economic calculations shown so far are exceedingly simplistic and merely extrapolate from the current market price of these metals, so we cannot use these numbers to conclude that this will be the most profitable endeavor in human history.
    - giantrobot 4y ago
      It will costs trillions to bootstrap that industry in space. It would cost mere billions to make that industry on Earth cleaner. The Earth is fucking gigantic. It's literally filled with raw materials. Access to those materials is downright cheap compared to attempting to access the same material in space.
    - widjit 4y ago
      at the very least people would stop stealing catalytic converters, that's a win
anovikov 4y ago
But it has nothing to do with manned spaceflight. U.S. is beyond doubt the space power #1 today, and it has nothing to do with manned flights.
- ROTMetro 4y ago
  I'd argue that the goals of manned space flight and meeting those goals are what put the USA on the path to be #1, so it seems to be to have something to do with manned flights.
- twawaaay 4y ago
  Experience shows that the path to being #1 is usually to some extent doing a lot of stuff around the topic, throwing a lot of darts at the board and seeing what sticks.

adql 4y ago

> it is projected to overtake practically every single other industry including electronics at some point in the future. projected by who and how many % of his guesses turned out to be right ?

kibwen 4y ago
Presumably because somebody pointed to an asteroid somewhere and calculated that it contains a volume of platinum/gold/unobtanium that would be worth a hundred zillion kajillion trillion dollars, without taking into account that if you actually brought that much of a given precious metal into the market the price would crash to zero and we'd all be drinking Coke out of disposable platinum cans.
- cwillu 4y ago
  On the one hand, this is technically true. On the other, this is effectively because the gains to such a large windfall cannot be captured by a single entity: Aluminium becoming so cheap as to become a nearly disposable material is a massively _good_ thing. It's not inconceivable that having platinum become plentiful might also be such a boon.
  - kibwen 4y ago
    Sure, but using aluminum as an example, if we take the modern production of aluminum (as a proxy for underlying demand) and multiply by the price of aluminum in the 1800s (when it was so incredibly precious that it was chosen to cap the Washington Monument), we would expect the modern aluminum industry to have revenues of around $100 trillion, or about 1000x what it actually has. The point is just that one cannot assume a resource extraction industry's future profitability without taking into consideration how increased supply will also lower the price of the product.
    - actionfromafar 4y ago
      How much economic benefit / efficiency did aluminium bring vs had it not existed? Impossible to tell, but a ton more than what aluminium industry pulls in.
- ROTMetro 4y ago
  Isn't that the goal? If we can get rid of scarcity in materials and energy then everyone's living standards can go up. If we can move metal smelting off world, pollution goes down at the same time. Am I ignorant to think that would be a big positive for human kind?
  - kibwen 4y ago
    I'm not saying it's not a potential positive for society, rather I'm saying that the economic calculations shown so far are exceedingly simplistic and merely extrapolate from the current market price of these metals, so we cannot use these numbers to conclude that this will be the most profitable endeavor in human history.
  - giantrobot 4y ago
    It will costs trillions to bootstrap that industry in space. It would cost mere billions to make that industry on Earth cleaner. The Earth is fucking gigantic. It's literally filled with raw materials. Access to those materials is downright cheap compared to attempting to access the same material in space.
  - widjit 4y ago
    at the very least people would stop stealing catalytic converters, that's a win

anovikov 4y ago

But it has nothing to do with manned spaceflight. U.S. is beyond doubt the space power #1 today, and it has nothing to do with manned flights.

ROTMetro 4y ago
I'd argue that the goals of manned space flight and meeting those goals are what put the USA on the path to be #1, so it seems to be to have something to do with manned flights.
twawaaay 4y ago
Experience shows that the path to being #1 is usually to some extent doing a lot of stuff around the topic, throwing a lot of darts at the board and seeing what sticks.