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Raspberry Pi zero 2 now costs $114.99 (used to be 7$ few months ago)
- spzb 4y agoI sold a second hand Pi Zero W (v1.3) with a broken camera connector for over $40 on eBay recently. Broken (as in LEDs come on solid, no HDMI output, or completely dead) Pi 3s are going for similar prices in the $30-60 range. It's all a bit mad.
- sentientslug 4y agoThis is a third party price gouger on Amazon, the price is $15 (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/new-raspberry-pi-zero-2-w-2/ https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/new-raspberry-pi-zero-2-w-2...) and seems like it has been since the product released.
- throwaway71271 4y agoeverywhere its sold out and has been for few months, even on ali express its 110$
- postalrat 4y agoHow many can you sell me? I'll pay double that.
- kotaKat 4y agoI heard a rumor floating that the problem is Broadcomm now wanting the Pi foundation to cough up full price (because for the longest time they were receiving a charity discount) now that Pi is producing their own SoCs (the RP2040 is getting their feet wet, and what pissed Broadcom off).
- barefoot 4y agoIs limited supply reason enough to explain the high market prices or has there also been an increase in demand?
- bb88 4y agoUnfortunately as long as there's a perceived shortage scalpers will be competing amongst everyone else who have no intent on reselling.
- RussianCow 4y agoBut who's willing to buy Raspberry Pis for $115 when there are so many alternatives on the market that are drastically cheaper?
- water8 4y ago
- rdtwo 4y agoIs there some unobtainable chip on the board that other manufacturers need and are buying up?
- 8bitsrule 4y agoThe many alternatives do not, of course, have the huge community that's built up around the Pis. Hundreds (thousands?) of projects for example.
- RussianCow 4y agoI understand, but part of the draw of Raspberry Pis is the price. When that price goes up by 20x, I can't imagine very many scenarios where that would still be worth it, regardless of the size of the community.
- rdtwo 4y agoScalping groups have setup sneaker/ps5 bots to get them as they are so profitable. All the bots now support the major retailers. Idk who needs them so badly to pay these prices just use a different board
- salawat 4y agoThe problem is that you have people with these bots at all, and it should be clear that in the absence of mitigations, these networks of bots can be trivially retargeted. Speculation, and artificial scarcity through predatory automation is the issue. No one wants to concede that though, because that'd put a giant spotlight on what is a disproportionate part of the finance industry, and start prompting serious questions around whether or not this type of thing is desirable behavior worthy of tolerance from them.
- rahimnathwani 4y ago"artificial scarcity through predatory automation" It's not artificial scarcity, though. The number of Pis or PS5s that get into the hands of end users is determined by the manufacturers. The scalpers only affect the allocation. Rather that the devices being allocated randomly among folks willing to pay the sticker price, they go only to the ones willing to pay the most.
- rdtwo 4y agoThat’s true but these major scalping operations often ship internationally. The ps5 would get bundled and go to Asia and the Middle East. I think the market for these scalped goods state side is shallower than you would expect.
- salawat 4y agoErgo... Artifical scarcity (of Pi's at MSRP) created by (non-practicing) scalpers (arbitragers, as they like to be called) reestablishing a price point, far in excess of what is reasonable, basically undoing the actual feat of engineering that resulted in such a cheap system in the first place. Obligatory, and apropos: https://xkcd.com/1499/ https://xkcd.com/1499/ The bit people don't realize, is finance draws in people like this, and does the same thing, day in, day out. No value extraction opportunity left unexploited lest one "leave money on the table". These people are a significant contributor to why we cannot have nice things.
- throwaway5959 4y agoI’m starting to think that the RPi organization is limiting supply intentionally. How are companies like MinisForum able to keep shipping minipcs with vastly more complex hardware? It just doesn’t make any sense
- randomopining 4y agoProb upstream suppliers know the demand and are artificially limiting their inputs... idk why RPi org would care that much. Plus if it gets out that would damage their rep BIGLY.
- water8 4y ago
- rasz 4y agoRpee doesnt control manufacturing of those chips. Broadcom/Avago is,and they didnt bother contracting new batches. Rpee fully controls rp2040 supply chain and you can buy as many as you want <$1 a pop.
- harry8 4y agoI've used the Orange Pi 2 Zero as a reasonable replacement. Still overpriced at about USD $35 shipped on Aliexpress. The price jump is pretty annoying.
- grepLeigh 4y agoThe #1 threat to my business right now is the dependency on Raspberry Pis. I'm evaluating other SBCs for my embedded ML product (Rock Pi on the low end, Intel NUC on the high end).
- ahepp 4y agoHave you looked into the beaglebone products? I assume you're talking about the business listed in your about page? If you're doing any kind of stepper motor control ,the AM335X and AM57XX SoC families seem to have some pretty cool realtime units and cortex M mcus onboard.
- grepLeigh 4y agoThe Raspberry Pi doesn't drive 3D printer motors - that's typically an ATMega, Duet, or another 32-bit ARM SoC like the boards you mentioned. 3D printer manufacturers typically distribute a 32-bit SoC with either Marlin or Klipper firmware. https://www.klipper3d.org/ https://www.klipper3d.org/ I distribute an aarch64 Linux distro for the Pi (PrintNanny OS), which handles monitoring and automation tasks. The Pi also hosts a web GUI.
- ahepp 4y agoMakes sense, looks like a cool project! Are you saying you don't think your software could run on a 32 bit SoC? That would surprise me, but you would certainly no better than I would. Edit: I didn't realize there was CV involved, that probably uses a lot more resources. Really awesome project, I hope the supply issues get better.
- grepLeigh 4y agoThank you! Yeah, I run a WebRTC stack and gstreamer+nnstreamer application to stream video from the Pi. I'm running a TensorFlow Lite model on-device for object detection. Getting that stack to run on a 32-bit SoC without an operating system would be tough. That said, there are some incredibly talented people in the world advancing the field of "TinyML" https://www.tinyml.org/ https://www.tinyml.org/ - it's not like you're suggesting something ridiculous! There are already specialized camera + NPU (Neural Processing Units) boards on the market for specialized edge CV tasks. PrintNanny's workflow/automation requires general computing capability though, which rules out a lot of specialized CV boards.
- ahepp 4y agoWhen was the price ever $7? Raspberry Pi Trading started selling them at $15[0]. The Amazon scalpers haven't sold the product you listed at less than $40 in a year[1]. [0] https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/new-raspberry-pi-zero-2-w-2/ https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/new-raspberry-pi-zero-2-w-2... [1] https://camelcamelcamel.com/product/B09LH5SBPS https://camelcamelcamel.com/product/B09LH5SBPS
- trynewideas 4y agoThe original Zero started at $5 when first released in 2015.[1] The Zero W was $10.[2] The $15 board press release you link is for the Zero 2 W. [1] https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/raspberry-pi-zero/ https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/raspberry-pi-zero/ [2] https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-zero-w/ https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-zero-w/
- ahepp 4y agoThere is no non-wireless version of the Zero 2 (at least as far as I'm aware). The board OP posted has never been available for purchase for $7. Even the 32 bit armv6l predecessor cost $10 at launch And either way, as my previous post points out, the Amazon price history has never dipped below $40.
- dimatura 4y agoAs others have said, these are essentially scalpers - the authorized retailers still have at the original price, but as a result are also sell out quickly whenever there's any stock. https://rpilocator.com https://rpilocator.com is a tracker of availability in various sellers. But stock has been super scarce - i believe they are prioritizing business customers.
- randomopining 4y agoI randomly got a RPi4 (8gb) online earlier this year for like $90. I assume I was lucky just checking at the right time
- slenk 4y agoIsn't that basically scalper prices?
- big_red 4y agoThe orange pi line from Shenzhen is very nice indeed. Fully documented with sdcard images ready to go. Theres a clone of the pie zero 2 with a neat metal case and another softrouter design, that also has a metal case looks like a little mac mini. You can buy direct on the alibaba express store. 20-60USD depending on the memory config.
- keewee7 4y agoThere is a lot of "over-demand" for RPis because many companies and universities mistakenly think it's the only way to do embedded Linux. The truth is that there are many cheaper alternatives out there that are more appropriate for embedded projects (ADC, PWM etc.) Edit: Forgot to add a link to this article that goes through some of the alternatives: https://jaycarlson.net/embedded-linux/ https://jaycarlson.net/embedded-linux/
- cyberge99 4y agoAnd there’s still a global supply chain shortage on some dependent components.
- rdtwo 4y agoWhat are better options? At lot of that also means better documentation. Better hardware doesn’t mean much if they docs aren’t there
- ahepp 4y agoMost "how do I do X on the Raspberry Pi" questions are just "how do I do X on Linux" questions. Maybe there is some device specific stuff in the device tree, but if you're messing with that you're already in an advanced use case. A lot of Raspberry Pi projects could just as easily be using BeagleBone Blacks. There's a pretty robust community around those products too. I don't know that the Raspberry Pi Linux boards are particularly notably well documented compared to competitors. Maybe I'm just unaware, because it generally runs Linux well and causes few problems. I will say that I think their support for the Pico microcontroller is pretty exceptionally high quality.
- rdtwo 4y agoBetter than arduino?
- leloctai 4y agoThe last time I tried some pi derivative, many softwares doesn't work on them. If there is a fix, it usually involve self compiling the broken software, along with some of their dependencies. Of course they're all using different build system that you have to learn. The labor cost of that is probably greater than the cost per unit of the hardware. Especially since pi-based products are necessarily low volume.
- NoboruWataya 4y agoAs far as I know, various Pi models are still for sale at the "proper" price at their physical store in Cambridge, UK (with per-person limits on purchases). Now obviously it's generally not worth the trip out there just to buy one, but if you're in the south-east of England and are planning a weekend away anyway, you could do worse...