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Przewodów village in Poland hit by two Russian missiles, two dead

172 points by Ralfp 4y ago

egberts1 4y ago
There has got to be verifiable source somehow otherwise we could be looking at an expanding scope of this conflict.
- acgh213 4y ago
  https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-zelenskyy-kherson-9202c032cf3a5c22761ee71b52ff9d52 https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-zelenskyy-kher... gotchu
iso1631 4y ago
Reuters wire report (based on the Radio ZET report) In English https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/explosion-kills-two-poland-near-ukraine-border-2022-11-15/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/explosion-kills-two-pol...
Ralfp 4y ago
Associated Press report based on US sources: https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-zelenskyy-kherson-9202c032cf3a5c22761ee71b52ff9d52 https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-zelenskyy-kher...
- iso1631 4y ago
  Not US sources. It seem to comes from the Radio ZET post this points to "Polish media reported that two people died Tuesday afternoon after a projectile struck an area where grain was drying in Przewodów, a Polish village near the border with Ukraine." ZET seems a legitimate source, but it's still a single journalist and some twitter posts. More coverage at https://wiadomosci.radiozet.pl/Polska/przewodow-rakiety-spadly-na-polske-amerykanski-wywiad-potwierdza-ze-byly-rosyjskie https://wiadomosci.radiozet.pl/Polska/przewodow-rakiety-spad...
  - Ralfp 4y ago
    At the time of me posting comment, the article opened with "A senior U.S. intelligence official says Russian missiles crossed into NATO member Poland, killing two people."
  - rich_sasha 4y ago
    It's not top tier but certainly respectable. One of most popular radio station.
baybal2 4y ago
yrgulation 4y ago
Oh i bet that beast hiding in the kremlin would love for things to escalate. But boy is the russian army and their equipment a joke.
- vkou 4y ago
  I bet you he doesn't, both because he has had ample opportunity to do so already, because he's already losing conventionally, and because none of the endgames for escalation between two nuclear powers end well for anyone. Occam's razor tells me that this was an accident, just like MH17 and Iran Air Flight 655 were. Notice how neither Iran nor Malaysia 'escalated' in response to those attacks against them.
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  - codedokode 4y ago
    He is not losing though because potentially Russia can mobilize 20-40 millions of soldiers or even more if he convinces other countries like Belarus or Iran to help him.
    - dekhn 4y ago
      They don't have the logistics to support that. But we do know that Russia is highly capable of sending its men to the meat grinder.
      - thdespou 4y ago
        Those 20 Million should revolt and blast Putin into the black sea.
        dekhn 4y ago
        it would be nice if the russian citizenry removed putin and removed all their troops from Ukraine, along with paying reparations. I don't think that's going to happen, though. Look at the convoluted path for the Soviet Union becoming Russia in the first place- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_the_Soviet_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_the_Soviet_Unio... and contrast to the power structure and revenue structure that Putin has assembled.
IdealeZahlen 4y ago
Is this the start of WW3? How will NATO respond?
- yrgulation 4y ago
  - v8xi 4y ago
    Ok I'll bite. Why would Germany sanction Poland for this?
    - yrgulation 4y ago
      They’ll find a reason, its how the EU works.
      - Quarrelsome 4y ago
        So your position is that Germany will find a reason to sanction Poland because Poland have been accidentally bombed by the Russian Federation? Sorry, I'm struggling to follow. Are you sure? Perhaps you are still championing the dated notion that Germany is over exposed to the Russian energy market and thus is in thrall to the Russian Federation? I thought since the Nord Stream exploderised that was no longer really the case.
        yrgulation 4y ago
        I was beyond sarcastic, cant help it, i am sorry and i know it has no place here but the current state of affairs in the eu makes it too easy. On a serious note, you may want to read about german, and other western, companies’ russia “exits”: https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/11/03/are-western-brands-as-serious-about-withdrawing-from-russia-as-they-appear-a79265 https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/11/03/are-western-brands... Cant find the link but apparently german carmakers expect to be back in about 5 years time (there is a clause in their exit contracts that they will be allowed to take back their assets after that amount of time).
pmoriarty 4y ago
This has to be deescalated. The risk of even accidental nuclear war is just too great.
- karpierz 4y ago
  - midislack 4y ago
    - mantas 4y ago
      - gbshsbdbdhd 4y ago
        mantas 4y ago
        It's insane how many people in West don't understand why people here in eastern europe run for NATO cover. Bucha and other events didn't raise an eyebrow here. It's just business-as-usual for Muscovy :/
- nickff 4y ago
  >"This has to be deescalated." What do you mean by "this"? Do you mean the attack on Poland, the continuing war on Ukraine, or mutually assured destruction in general? What do you mean by "deescalated"? Do you mean someone should surrender? Who and why would they?
  - pmoriarty 4y ago
    Whatever it takes to prevent nuclear war. Because the alternative is everybody dies.
kklisura 4y ago
I don't think this was intentional as real attack on Poland as that would take course which will not end up good either for Russia or for rest of the world. I see this as accident, until more information comes. And given similar accidents before, like India-Pakistan missile incident from this year [1] or crash of a drone in Zagreb [2] in March of this year - this will yield nothing. Edit: Another data point re accident: MH17 [3], Iran Air Flight 655 [4]. Both of those still yielded nothing. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_India%E2%80%93Pakistan_missile_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_India%E2%80%93Pakistan_mi... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Zagreb_Tu-141_crash https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Zagreb_Tu-141_crash [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17 [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
- luckylion 4y ago
  That's very likely. But of course, an accidental attack is still an attack. Will Russia stop attacking Poland and Ukraine? Doubtful, unless NATO makes it stop. Otherwise we can wait for the next "accident" where Russia fires missiles into NATO countries and murders people. All the while they're committing war crimes in Ukraine, day by day, for the world to see.
  - Gumberclaus 4y ago
    These countries have been committing war crimes against one another for nine years now throughout this history of this proxy war. Why should we start caring now or sacrifice global stability because of two errant rockets? Your fear-based rhetoric about other NATO countries being targeted because of two errant rockets (rockets are unguided munitions btw, not cruise missiles) is ridiculous. Stop being a war monger.
- woeirua 4y ago
  One missile just crossing over the border is an accident. It's kind of hard to see how two missiles could cross the border by more than a few miles unintentionally. I mean, we are talking about Russian cruise missiles, so maybe their INUs are that bad, but still...
anthropodie 4y ago
Better source: https://www.dw.com/en/russian-missiles-cross-into-nato-member-poland-report/a-63770954?platform=android&mobileApp=true https://www.dw.com/en/russian-missiles-cross-into-nato-membe...
datalopers 4y ago
This village is ~5 miles from the Ukrainian border.
- Ptchd 4y ago
  I read that the missiles hit 40 miles from the border
the4anoni 4y ago
Nato Article 5 there we go
midislack 4y ago
vbezhenar 4y ago
It was ukrainian rocket.
- PoliticsTalker 4y ago
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  - vbezhenar 4y ago
    It was defensive rocket indeed. Explosion site is obviously too small for a real attack rocket. It would blow up everything in a much larger radius.
  - terramex 4y ago
    S-300 are also used by Russia as offensive missiles since July. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/russia-now-firing-s-300-surface-to-air-missiles-at-land-targets-in-ukraine-official https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/russia-now-firing-s-30... https://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-attack-kills-dozens-of-civilians-in-ukraine-hours-before-planned-annexations-11664531345 https://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-attack-kills-dozens-of-...
    - vbezhenar 4y ago
      This is lies. But anyway Poland border is too far away from the launch sites for S300 even if someone would try to do that.
      - PoliticsTalker 4y ago
      - u10 4y ago
        ? There have been plently of reports of Russia using S-300 missile systems in the ground attack configuration. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-63247287 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-63247287 And it is not unreasonable that the missiles may have originated from Belarus, since Russia has sortied out of the country throughout the war.
thesuperbigfrog 4y ago
NATO could make the case that Russia needs to stop shooting missiles since they cannot aim. Alternatively, NATO could say that they can shoot down any Russian missiles since Russia cannot be trusted and has bad aim. It's really suspicious that two missiles hit Poland. If it were one missile, it could be due to some kind of component failure that caused the missile to go off course. Two missiles are not likely to both fail, so that suggests Poland was targeted on purpose.
- yrgulation 4y ago
  My real concern is why havent our systems intercepted them in due time? This not the first time it happens.
  - TradingPlaces 4y ago
    Still very early but it looks like this was debris from intercepted missiles. From the Polish reporter who broke the story [Google Translate] >My sources in the services say that what hit Przewowo is most likely the remains of a rocket shot down by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. https://twitter.com/mariuszgierszew/status/1592595507427545088?s=61&t=BBicmG0Gqc6fnl879pe05Q https://twitter.com/mariuszgierszew/status/15925955074275450...
  - rich_sasha 4y ago
    This is right by the border and not close to any "valuable" infrastructure. Clearly the lives of two people and their property are valuable! But wartime calculus has a heavy discount factor...
    - Ptchd 4y ago
      > This is right by the border 40 miles from the border
      - rich_sasha 4y ago
        I think it's this place: https://maps.app.goo.gl/dpYkJZwqswhHgeDd8 https://maps.app.goo.gl/dpYkJZwqswhHgeDd8 about 5 miles from the border at the closest.
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lo_zamoyski 4y ago
As others have said, I suspect this was in error. However, there is still diplomatic work to be done even if this was an accident. Specifically, Russia must make a public statement confirming that this was in error, apologize unequivocally, and offer some form of meaningful compensation. The risk of no response is that it will make Poland and NATO look weak, and Russia is known for prodding and provoking to see what it can get away with. Better to nip this in the bud through diplomatic means to avoid any lingering doubts about Polish/NATO readiness to defend itself.
- TheLoafOfBread 4y ago
  > apologize unequivocally To Poland? They will rather go to WW3 than apologize to Poland.
  - avmich 4y ago
    While Putin has lots of terrible habits, putting himself in grave danger isn't among them.
lizardactivist 4y ago
- glorfindelete 4y ago
  odd I had to scroll this far down to see someone calling a spade a spade
- polotics 4y ago
  Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You really think the US would take the risk to murder some polish people? For what gain? To make the world realize that Putin is doing what everyone already knows he's doing? This makes no sense.
durnygbur 4y ago
Today Ukrainians shot down 73 of 90 Russian rockets, the largest Russian rocket offensive so far. Could be stray Russian or Ukrainian rockets, or bloody grain dust explosion. Wait, Nato knows what they are doing. Pity that we depend entirely on Americans to find out what happened.
jkaltr 4y ago
- durnygbur 4y ago
  leave
- luckylion 4y ago
  I guess HN never really had to deal with sock puppet accounts from state run propaganda outlets. It'll be interesting to see how they handle it.
  - glorfindelete 4y ago
    > sock puppet accounts from state run propaganda outlets LOL fascinating way of dismissing all those who disagree with you
    - timeon 4y ago
      No way you can tell that from one comment.
    - luckylion 4y ago
      > created: 49 minutes ago And immediately starts posting crazy propaganda talking points the Russians have been dispersing for months. I guess they could be volunteering as propagandists, but there's not a meaningful difference in being paid to do it and doing it voluntarily. It's propaganda for Russia in both cases.
- timeon 4y ago
  What is proven: Russia is bombing Ukraine. Whatever hit Poland is consequence of that.
betaby 4y ago
- robocat 4y ago
  Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, bots, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data. — https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- dzhiurgis 4y ago
  They have been for a while on HN and has been getting worse, but it's kinda unsurprising that dang and the likes wouldn't sniff them out
  - hdjjhhvvhga 4y ago
    > it's kinda unsurprising that dang and the likes wouldn't sniff them out And you say this because? Dang is doing a very good job in general, but I can't imagine him intervening in this case. How is he going to check if a given user is a Putin's troll or just a normal citizen afraid of escalation? Heck, even Musk suggested surrendering a large part of Ukraine just to get an illusion of peace. So how on Earth could any moderator do this kind of job in a reliable way?
aPoCoMiLogin 4y ago
some fotage with potential parts of the missiles https://imgur.com/a/Cc9JezQ https://imgur.com/a/Cc9JezQ
r721 4y ago
"Poland says it's going to investigate in depth and will not rush to escalate. 1. Confirmation of armed incident taking place. 2. Government considers triggering art.4 after consulting US. 3. Some parts of Armed Forces are on high alert. No further details." https://twitter.com/SaladinAlDronni/status/1592627876121432065 https://twitter.com/SaladinAlDronni/status/15926278761214320... "Polish Govt spox: - investigating reasons behind the explosion - two people dead - military readiness level raised in response - President Duda spoke with Stoltenberg tonight - Poland considering whether to call for NATO discussions under Article 4 - Cabinet meeting to follow" https://twitter.com/JakubKrupa/status/1592626871367520257 https://twitter.com/JakubKrupa/status/1592626871367520257
DIARRHEA_xd 4y ago
Ongoing investigation, good idea to wait before coming to judgements about intent and origin. From the BBC [0]: Unverified pictures indicate it was from an S-300, used by both Ukraine and Russia. [0]: https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-asia-63593855 https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-asia-63593855
beaylott1986 4y ago
Sky News in UK is quoting 'security experts' commenting on photos showing wreckage that looks like from S-300 system. Only Ukraine is operating these within range of the border so entirely plausible this was an interception of a missile aimed at a target near border. In this context the comments from some eastern European and Ukraine itself are irresponsible. At least Poland and other NATO partners are urging caution.
- timeon 4y ago
  It is still security threat for NATO member. No meter what landed on Poland it was consequence of Russian shelling in proximity of Ukrainian-Polish border.
  - beaylott1986 4y ago
    I'm sorry ... 'shelling'...? There is no russian artillery in range of the ukranian polish border please go and look at a map!
Georgelemental 4y ago
It seems the missile may not be Russian: https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2022-11-16/us-officials-initial-findings-suggest-missile-that-hit-poland-was-fired-by-ukrainian-forces-at-incoming-russian-missile https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2022-11-16/us-offici...
- tim333 4y ago
  link broken
  - Georgelemental 4y ago
    Live link: https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/article/Alert-US-officials-Initial-findings-suggest-17588223.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/article/Alert-US-officials-...
pchangr 4y ago
This has determined to be an accident by the Ukrainian air defense system https://mobile.twitter.com/prezydentpl/status/1592835668426002433 https://mobile.twitter.com/prezydentpl/status/15928356684260...

172 points by Ralfp 4y ago

egberts1 4y ago

There has got to be verifiable source somehow otherwise we could be looking at an expanding scope of this conflict.

acgh213 4y ago
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-zelenskyy-kherson-9202c032cf3a5c22761ee71b52ff9d52 https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-zelenskyy-kher... gotchu

iso1631 4y ago

Reuters wire report (based on the Radio ZET report) In English https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/explosion-kills-two-poland-near-ukraine-border-2022-11-15/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/explosion-kills-two-pol...

Ralfp 4y ago

Associated Press report based on US sources: https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-zelenskyy-kherson-9202c032cf3a5c22761ee71b52ff9d52 https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-zelenskyy-kher...

iso1631 4y ago
Not US sources. It seem to comes from the Radio ZET post this points to "Polish media reported that two people died Tuesday afternoon after a projectile struck an area where grain was drying in Przewodów, a Polish village near the border with Ukraine." ZET seems a legitimate source, but it's still a single journalist and some twitter posts. More coverage at https://wiadomosci.radiozet.pl/Polska/przewodow-rakiety-spadly-na-polske-amerykanski-wywiad-potwierdza-ze-byly-rosyjskie https://wiadomosci.radiozet.pl/Polska/przewodow-rakiety-spad...
- Ralfp 4y ago
  At the time of me posting comment, the article opened with "A senior U.S. intelligence official says Russian missiles crossed into NATO member Poland, killing two people."
- rich_sasha 4y ago
  It's not top tier but certainly respectable. One of most popular radio station.

baybal2 4y ago

yrgulation 4y ago

Oh i bet that beast hiding in the kremlin would love for things to escalate. But boy is the russian army and their equipment a joke.

vkou 4y ago
I bet you he doesn't, both because he has had ample opportunity to do so already, because he's already losing conventionally, and because none of the endgames for escalation between two nuclear powers end well for anyone. Occam's razor tells me that this was an accident, just like MH17 and Iran Air Flight 655 were. Notice how neither Iran nor Malaysia 'escalated' in response to those attacks against them.
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- codedokode 4y ago
  He is not losing though because potentially Russia can mobilize 20-40 millions of soldiers or even more if he convinces other countries like Belarus or Iran to help him.
  - dekhn 4y ago
    They don't have the logistics to support that. But we do know that Russia is highly capable of sending its men to the meat grinder.
    - thdespou 4y ago
      Those 20 Million should revolt and blast Putin into the black sea.
      - dekhn 4y ago
        it would be nice if the russian citizenry removed putin and removed all their troops from Ukraine, along with paying reparations. I don't think that's going to happen, though. Look at the convoluted path for the Soviet Union becoming Russia in the first place- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_the_Soviet_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_the_Soviet_Unio... and contrast to the power structure and revenue structure that Putin has assembled.

IdealeZahlen 4y ago

Is this the start of WW3? How will NATO respond?

yrgulation 4y ago
- v8xi 4y ago
  Ok I'll bite. Why would Germany sanction Poland for this?
  - yrgulation 4y ago
    They’ll find a reason, its how the EU works.
    - Quarrelsome 4y ago
      So your position is that Germany will find a reason to sanction Poland because Poland have been accidentally bombed by the Russian Federation? Sorry, I'm struggling to follow. Are you sure? Perhaps you are still championing the dated notion that Germany is over exposed to the Russian energy market and thus is in thrall to the Russian Federation? I thought since the Nord Stream exploderised that was no longer really the case.
      - yrgulation 4y ago
        I was beyond sarcastic, cant help it, i am sorry and i know it has no place here but the current state of affairs in the eu makes it too easy. On a serious note, you may want to read about german, and other western, companies’ russia “exits”: https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/11/03/are-western-brands-as-serious-about-withdrawing-from-russia-as-they-appear-a79265 https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/11/03/are-western-brands... Cant find the link but apparently german carmakers expect to be back in about 5 years time (there is a clause in their exit contracts that they will be allowed to take back their assets after that amount of time).

pmoriarty 4y ago

This has to be deescalated. The risk of even accidental nuclear war is just too great.

karpierz 4y ago
- midislack 4y ago
  - mantas 4y ago
    - gbshsbdbdhd 4y ago
      - mantas 4y ago
        It's insane how many people in West don't understand why people here in eastern europe run for NATO cover. Bucha and other events didn't raise an eyebrow here. It's just business-as-usual for Muscovy :/
nickff 4y ago
>"This has to be deescalated." What do you mean by "this"? Do you mean the attack on Poland, the continuing war on Ukraine, or mutually assured destruction in general? What do you mean by "deescalated"? Do you mean someone should surrender? Who and why would they?
- pmoriarty 4y ago
  Whatever it takes to prevent nuclear war. Because the alternative is everybody dies.

kklisura 4y ago

I don't think this was intentional as real attack on Poland as that would take course which will not end up good either for Russia or for rest of the world. I see this as accident, until more information comes. And given similar accidents before, like India-Pakistan missile incident from this year [1] or crash of a drone in Zagreb [2] in March of this year - this will yield nothing. Edit: Another data point re accident: MH17 [3], Iran Air Flight 655 [4]. Both of those still yielded nothing. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_India%E2%80%93Pakistan_missile_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_India%E2%80%93Pakistan_mi... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Zagreb_Tu-141_crash https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Zagreb_Tu-141_crash [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17 [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

luckylion 4y ago
That's very likely. But of course, an accidental attack is still an attack. Will Russia stop attacking Poland and Ukraine? Doubtful, unless NATO makes it stop. Otherwise we can wait for the next "accident" where Russia fires missiles into NATO countries and murders people. All the while they're committing war crimes in Ukraine, day by day, for the world to see.
- Gumberclaus 4y ago
  These countries have been committing war crimes against one another for nine years now throughout this history of this proxy war. Why should we start caring now or sacrifice global stability because of two errant rockets? Your fear-based rhetoric about other NATO countries being targeted because of two errant rockets (rockets are unguided munitions btw, not cruise missiles) is ridiculous. Stop being a war monger.
woeirua 4y ago
One missile just crossing over the border is an accident. It's kind of hard to see how two missiles could cross the border by more than a few miles unintentionally. I mean, we are talking about Russian cruise missiles, so maybe their INUs are that bad, but still...

anthropodie 4y ago

Better source: https://www.dw.com/en/russian-missiles-cross-into-nato-member-poland-report/a-63770954?platform=android&mobileApp=true https://www.dw.com/en/russian-missiles-cross-into-nato-membe...

datalopers 4y ago

This village is ~5 miles from the Ukrainian border.

Ptchd 4y ago
I read that the missiles hit 40 miles from the border

the4anoni 4y ago

Nato Article 5 there we go

midislack 4y ago

vbezhenar 4y ago

It was ukrainian rocket.

PoliticsTalker 4y ago
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- vbezhenar 4y ago
  It was defensive rocket indeed. Explosion site is obviously too small for a real attack rocket. It would blow up everything in a much larger radius.
- terramex 4y ago
  S-300 are also used by Russia as offensive missiles since July. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/russia-now-firing-s-300-surface-to-air-missiles-at-land-targets-in-ukraine-official https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/russia-now-firing-s-30... https://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-attack-kills-dozens-of-civilians-in-ukraine-hours-before-planned-annexations-11664531345 https://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-attack-kills-dozens-of-...
  - vbezhenar 4y ago
    This is lies. But anyway Poland border is too far away from the launch sites for S300 even if someone would try to do that.
    - PoliticsTalker 4y ago
    - u10 4y ago
      ? There have been plently of reports of Russia using S-300 missile systems in the ground attack configuration. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-63247287 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-63247287 And it is not unreasonable that the missiles may have originated from Belarus, since Russia has sortied out of the country throughout the war.

thesuperbigfrog 4y ago

NATO could make the case that Russia needs to stop shooting missiles since they cannot aim. Alternatively, NATO could say that they can shoot down any Russian missiles since Russia cannot be trusted and has bad aim. It's really suspicious that two missiles hit Poland. If it were one missile, it could be due to some kind of component failure that caused the missile to go off course. Two missiles are not likely to both fail, so that suggests Poland was targeted on purpose.

yrgulation 4y ago
My real concern is why havent our systems intercepted them in due time? This not the first time it happens.
- TradingPlaces 4y ago
  Still very early but it looks like this was debris from intercepted missiles. From the Polish reporter who broke the story [Google Translate] >My sources in the services say that what hit Przewowo is most likely the remains of a rocket shot down by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. https://twitter.com/mariuszgierszew/status/1592595507427545088?s=61&t=BBicmG0Gqc6fnl879pe05Q https://twitter.com/mariuszgierszew/status/15925955074275450...
- rich_sasha 4y ago
  This is right by the border and not close to any "valuable" infrastructure. Clearly the lives of two people and their property are valuable! But wartime calculus has a heavy discount factor...
  - Ptchd 4y ago
    > This is right by the border 40 miles from the border
    - rich_sasha 4y ago
      I think it's this place: https://maps.app.goo.gl/dpYkJZwqswhHgeDd8 https://maps.app.goo.gl/dpYkJZwqswhHgeDd8 about 5 miles from the border at the closest.

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lo_zamoyski 4y ago

As others have said, I suspect this was in error. However, there is still diplomatic work to be done even if this was an accident. Specifically, Russia must make a public statement confirming that this was in error, apologize unequivocally, and offer some form of meaningful compensation. The risk of no response is that it will make Poland and NATO look weak, and Russia is known for prodding and provoking to see what it can get away with. Better to nip this in the bud through diplomatic means to avoid any lingering doubts about Polish/NATO readiness to defend itself.

TheLoafOfBread 4y ago
> apologize unequivocally To Poland? They will rather go to WW3 than apologize to Poland.
- avmich 4y ago
  While Putin has lots of terrible habits, putting himself in grave danger isn't among them.

lizardactivist 4y ago

glorfindelete 4y ago
odd I had to scroll this far down to see someone calling a spade a spade
polotics 4y ago
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You really think the US would take the risk to murder some polish people? For what gain? To make the world realize that Putin is doing what everyone already knows he's doing? This makes no sense.

durnygbur 4y ago

Today Ukrainians shot down 73 of 90 Russian rockets, the largest Russian rocket offensive so far. Could be stray Russian or Ukrainian rockets, or bloody grain dust explosion. Wait, Nato knows what they are doing. Pity that we depend entirely on Americans to find out what happened.

jkaltr 4y ago

durnygbur 4y ago
leave
luckylion 4y ago
I guess HN never really had to deal with sock puppet accounts from state run propaganda outlets. It'll be interesting to see how they handle it.
- glorfindelete 4y ago
  > sock puppet accounts from state run propaganda outlets LOL fascinating way of dismissing all those who disagree with you
  - timeon 4y ago
    No way you can tell that from one comment.
  - luckylion 4y ago
    > created: 49 minutes ago And immediately starts posting crazy propaganda talking points the Russians have been dispersing for months. I guess they could be volunteering as propagandists, but there's not a meaningful difference in being paid to do it and doing it voluntarily. It's propaganda for Russia in both cases.
timeon 4y ago
What is proven: Russia is bombing Ukraine. Whatever hit Poland is consequence of that.

betaby 4y ago

robocat 4y ago
Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, bots, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data. — https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
dzhiurgis 4y ago
They have been for a while on HN and has been getting worse, but it's kinda unsurprising that dang and the likes wouldn't sniff them out
- hdjjhhvvhga 4y ago
  > it's kinda unsurprising that dang and the likes wouldn't sniff them out And you say this because? Dang is doing a very good job in general, but I can't imagine him intervening in this case. How is he going to check if a given user is a Putin's troll or just a normal citizen afraid of escalation? Heck, even Musk suggested surrendering a large part of Ukraine just to get an illusion of peace. So how on Earth could any moderator do this kind of job in a reliable way?

aPoCoMiLogin 4y ago

some fotage with potential parts of the missiles https://imgur.com/a/Cc9JezQ https://imgur.com/a/Cc9JezQ

r721 4y ago

"Poland says it's going to investigate in depth and will not rush to escalate. 1. Confirmation of armed incident taking place. 2. Government considers triggering art.4 after consulting US. 3. Some parts of Armed Forces are on high alert. No further details." https://twitter.com/SaladinAlDronni/status/1592627876121432065 https://twitter.com/SaladinAlDronni/status/15926278761214320... "Polish Govt spox: - investigating reasons behind the explosion - two people dead - military readiness level raised in response - President Duda spoke with Stoltenberg tonight - Poland considering whether to call for NATO discussions under Article 4 - Cabinet meeting to follow" https://twitter.com/JakubKrupa/status/1592626871367520257 https://twitter.com/JakubKrupa/status/1592626871367520257

DIARRHEA_xd 4y ago

Ongoing investigation, good idea to wait before coming to judgements about intent and origin. From the BBC [0]: Unverified pictures indicate it was from an S-300, used by both Ukraine and Russia. [0]: https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-asia-63593855 https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-asia-63593855

beaylott1986 4y ago

Sky News in UK is quoting 'security experts' commenting on photos showing wreckage that looks like from S-300 system. Only Ukraine is operating these within range of the border so entirely plausible this was an interception of a missile aimed at a target near border. In this context the comments from some eastern European and Ukraine itself are irresponsible. At least Poland and other NATO partners are urging caution.

timeon 4y ago
It is still security threat for NATO member. No meter what landed on Poland it was consequence of Russian shelling in proximity of Ukrainian-Polish border.
- beaylott1986 4y ago
  I'm sorry ... 'shelling'...? There is no russian artillery in range of the ukranian polish border please go and look at a map!

Georgelemental 4y ago

It seems the missile may not be Russian: https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2022-11-16/us-officials-initial-findings-suggest-missile-that-hit-poland-was-fired-by-ukrainian-forces-at-incoming-russian-missile https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2022-11-16/us-offici...

tim333 4y ago
link broken
- Georgelemental 4y ago
  Live link: https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/article/Alert-US-officials-Initial-findings-suggest-17588223.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/article/Alert-US-officials-...

pchangr 4y ago

This has determined to be an accident by the Ukrainian air defense system https://mobile.twitter.com/prezydentpl/status/1592835668426002433 https://mobile.twitter.com/prezydentpl/status/15928356684260...