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I'm not sure what this is offering over normal Firefox other than not having to turn off telemetry, install ublock ( and the other mentioned add-ons), and makin

I'm not sure what this is offering over normal Firefox other than not having to turn off telemetry, install ublock ( and the other mentioned add-ons), and making use of user.js myself? Also if you're making an issue of providing software with no telemetry then your website should probably not include cloud insights tech that: "collects web vitals from the actual devices your visitors are using".

dartharva 4y ago
"Hyper minimalistic UI"
- nonrandomstring 4y ago
  I'm glad to see someone still has the courage to work on browsers - which is increasingly declared "infeasible". Well done. > We have been moving further away from privacy and towards But sorry, I literally stopped reading at that point. The only feature that people want and need from browsers, and the only reason to even glance twice at yet another Firefox fork is enhanced privacy and cast-iron control over what a browser is doing. There is enormous scope here to add value - adding client web application firewalls, different, customisable jailing schemes, detailed easy to understand monitoring, file monitors, inviolable fine-grained per-io-device permissions, better Tor and IPFS integration. How about starting with a browser that can remember your privacy settings, instead of silently "updating" and defaulting back to the worst possible settings as Firefox does? Having the latest (probably broken and more privacy invasive) presentation features would be very low on my list.
  - kristiandupont 4y ago
    >The only feature that people want [...] Well, not me.
  - chrismonsanto 4y ago
    > The only feature that people want and need from browsers ... is enhanced privacy and cast-iron control over what a browser is doing. ... client web application firewalls, different, customisable jailing schemes, detailed easy to understand monitoring, file monitors, inviolable fine-grained per-io-device permissions, better Tor and IPFS integration That's what you're interested in at least, I don't care about these features and if it was up to me the #1 priority for Firefox developers would be making desktop mode persistent by-site on Android
    - nonrandomstring 4y ago
      Anyway, once again, well done. It seems to me that mainstream "web browsers" have become new "operating systems", but without the visbility, structure and purpose of actual operating systems.
      - agileAlligator 4y ago
        I'll say this to anyone who will listen, we need to stop treating browsers as OS'. Whatever happened to good old desktop applications?
  - latexr 4y ago
    > I'm glad to see someone still has the courage to work on browsers - which is increasingly declared "infeasible". It’s new browser engines which are increasingly declared unfeasible. Browsers themselves are a dime a dozen.
  - agileAlligator 4y ago
    > adding client web application firewalls, different, customisable jailing schemes, detailed easy to understand monitoring, file monitors, inviolable fine-grained per-io-device permissions, better Tor and IPFS integration. How many people really care or even know about these things? 1 percent of the populace? Privacy is one aspect, sure, but it seems to me that the majority of the population simply doesn't care one way or the other. It's not a "killer app". Otherwise, everyone would be using something like Pale Moon by now.
  - xigoi 4y ago
    > The only feature that people want and need from browsers, and the only reason to even glance twice at yet another Firefox fork is enhanced privacy and cast-iron control over what a browser is doing. How many people have you asked?
  - deleted 4y ago
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- WithinReason 4y ago
  Pressing F11 in Firefox is even more minimalistic
trickypr 4y ago
Hi, I am a dev on Pulse Browser. I want to clarify our current development direction (I haven't significant updated the website recently). We have been moving further away from privacy and towards developing/iterating on features faster than Firefox is willing to, along with providing sane defaults. For example, we have been experimenting with a opera/vivaldi-like method of accessing Firefox's sidebar. Whilst you could technically achieve this via patching `omni.ja`, you would need to repatch it every update. At that point, it might as well be a custom browser. Sorry about Vercel's insight stuff, not sure how that got enabled, but it should be disabled now (or whenever Cloudflare invalidates your cache). If you want further reading into some of the specific parts of our code that we are putting most of our effort into, here are some links: - https://github.com/pulse-browser/browser/blob/alpha/src/browser/base/content/browser-sidebar-js.patch https://github.com/pulse-browser/browser/blob/alpha/src/brow... - https://github.com/pulse-browser/browser/tree/alpha/src/browser/components/extensions https://github.com/pulse-browser/browser/tree/alpha/src/brow...
- csande17 4y ago
  > We have been moving further away from privacy [...] I appreciate your honesty, but hearing this was enough for me to file your project into the "not touching with a ten-foot pole" bucket alongside the likes of Wave Browser.
  - knok_off 4y ago
    I believe that they meant, changing focus. Which is not a bad thing. Once the majority of the privacy stuff is achieved what more is there to do without making it into Tor browser?
  - trickypr 4y ago
    I think you are miss interpreting me. I don't want to focus on privacy above all else. To do that well would compromise on the usability of the browser. For example, if I were to advertise it as "privacy focused", I would not feel comfortable unless I included strict anti-fingerprinting, which would break websites. It is a balancing act, and I won't be collecting or selling your data, but I won't be competing with Librewolf or Tor for the "privacy" market either. However, at the bare minimum, we will be more "private" than Firefox by extent of including uBo and disabling Mozilla's non-critical telemetry by default.
forgotmypw17 4y ago
If you think you've turned off all "telemetry" spyware in a Firefox build, you're probably wrong.

dartharva 4y ago

"Hyper minimalistic UI"

nonrandomstring 4y ago
I'm glad to see someone still has the courage to work on browsers - which is increasingly declared "infeasible". Well done. > We have been moving further away from privacy and towards But sorry, I literally stopped reading at that point. The only feature that people want and need from browsers, and the only reason to even glance twice at yet another Firefox fork is enhanced privacy and cast-iron control over what a browser is doing. There is enormous scope here to add value - adding client web application firewalls, different, customisable jailing schemes, detailed easy to understand monitoring, file monitors, inviolable fine-grained per-io-device permissions, better Tor and IPFS integration. How about starting with a browser that can remember your privacy settings, instead of silently "updating" and defaulting back to the worst possible settings as Firefox does? Having the latest (probably broken and more privacy invasive) presentation features would be very low on my list.
- kristiandupont 4y ago
  >The only feature that people want [...] Well, not me.
- chrismonsanto 4y ago
  > The only feature that people want and need from browsers ... is enhanced privacy and cast-iron control over what a browser is doing. ... client web application firewalls, different, customisable jailing schemes, detailed easy to understand monitoring, file monitors, inviolable fine-grained per-io-device permissions, better Tor and IPFS integration That's what you're interested in at least, I don't care about these features and if it was up to me the #1 priority for Firefox developers would be making desktop mode persistent by-site on Android
  - nonrandomstring 4y ago
    Anyway, once again, well done. It seems to me that mainstream "web browsers" have become new "operating systems", but without the visbility, structure and purpose of actual operating systems.
    - agileAlligator 4y ago
      I'll say this to anyone who will listen, we need to stop treating browsers as OS'. Whatever happened to good old desktop applications?
- latexr 4y ago
  > I'm glad to see someone still has the courage to work on browsers - which is increasingly declared "infeasible". It’s new browser engines which are increasingly declared unfeasible. Browsers themselves are a dime a dozen.
- agileAlligator 4y ago
  > adding client web application firewalls, different, customisable jailing schemes, detailed easy to understand monitoring, file monitors, inviolable fine-grained per-io-device permissions, better Tor and IPFS integration. How many people really care or even know about these things? 1 percent of the populace? Privacy is one aspect, sure, but it seems to me that the majority of the population simply doesn't care one way or the other. It's not a "killer app". Otherwise, everyone would be using something like Pale Moon by now.
- xigoi 4y ago
  > The only feature that people want and need from browsers, and the only reason to even glance twice at yet another Firefox fork is enhanced privacy and cast-iron control over what a browser is doing. How many people have you asked?
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
WithinReason 4y ago
Pressing F11 in Firefox is even more minimalistic

trickypr 4y ago

Hi, I am a dev on Pulse Browser. I want to clarify our current development direction (I haven't significant updated the website recently). We have been moving further away from privacy and towards developing/iterating on features faster than Firefox is willing to, along with providing sane defaults. For example, we have been experimenting with a opera/vivaldi-like method of accessing Firefox's sidebar. Whilst you could technically achieve this via patching `omni.ja`, you would need to repatch it every update. At that point, it might as well be a custom browser. Sorry about Vercel's insight stuff, not sure how that got enabled, but it should be disabled now (or whenever Cloudflare invalidates your cache). If you want further reading into some of the specific parts of our code that we are putting most of our effort into, here are some links: - https://github.com/pulse-browser/browser/blob/alpha/src/browser/base/content/browser-sidebar-js.patch https://github.com/pulse-browser/browser/blob/alpha/src/brow... - https://github.com/pulse-browser/browser/tree/alpha/src/browser/components/extensions https://github.com/pulse-browser/browser/tree/alpha/src/brow...

csande17 4y ago
> We have been moving further away from privacy [...] I appreciate your honesty, but hearing this was enough for me to file your project into the "not touching with a ten-foot pole" bucket alongside the likes of Wave Browser.
- knok_off 4y ago
  I believe that they meant, changing focus. Which is not a bad thing. Once the majority of the privacy stuff is achieved what more is there to do without making it into Tor browser?
- trickypr 4y ago
  I think you are miss interpreting me. I don't want to focus on privacy above all else. To do that well would compromise on the usability of the browser. For example, if I were to advertise it as "privacy focused", I would not feel comfortable unless I included strict anti-fingerprinting, which would break websites. It is a balancing act, and I won't be collecting or selling your data, but I won't be competing with Librewolf or Tor for the "privacy" market either. However, at the bare minimum, we will be more "private" than Firefox by extent of including uBo and disabling Mozilla's non-critical telemetry by default.

forgotmypw17 4y ago

If you think you've turned off all "telemetry" spyware in a Firefox build, you're probably wrong.