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"They do not hire disagreeable people." And this is why skilled people can't find a job. Unless you can kiss a*s you won't get hired. This is wrong! If some on

by tux 4y ago

"They do not hire disagreeable people." And this is why skilled people can't find a job. Unless you can kiss a*s you won't get hired. This is wrong! If some one agrees with every word you say, this should be a red light. This might means the person don't have a mind of there own. Unless you want to hire a robot ^_^

gw98 4y ago
I dunno I'm an asshole and I'm having to beat people off with a stick at the moment. However in UK and there is a market vacuum. Anyway you don't have to kiss ass. All you have to do is have a solution to problems and ability to shape ideas not just cut them off. Unless it's nodejs. That can just fuck off. When I hire people myself I'm looking for people who are opinionated but can back that up with experience and evidence and thought processes which show how the conclusion was reached. I really don't want to hire passive production monkeys.
popotamonga 4y ago
It works, the following words made me rich: - Great idea - Makes total sense - That's how I would do it - I agree And this is not a joke.
- gardenhedge 4y ago
  Well a team has to come together around a shared goal. If a team is made up of people who disagree with what the team is trying to do... it's not a team
  - jasonjmcghee 4y ago
    I think people often share common goals, but “how” is where disagreement tends to be. And I think that’s healthy. Some friction in decision making will often yield better decisions.
    - simplotek 4y ago
      > Some friction in decision making will often yield better decisions. I agree. The problem starts when this sort of friction continues after all the decision-making is done and starts manifesting as contrarian positions towards how the project is being conducted, always insisting that their idea was better, and even assuming aspects of sabotage. It's one thing to determine a path forward, but an entirely different thing to assume a "my way or no way" stance.
- icedchai 4y ago
  Even if I don't agree 100%, I'll find myself saying these things. Especially in today's world of pointless Zoom meetings, endless "check-ins", it's often not worth arguing. Rarely is anything mission critical. (If it's a "big deal", I will disagree.)
- ransom1538 4y ago
  them: "We should switch to rebase! I read this blog!" me: "ok." (even though this will cost hundreds of productivity hours - explaining it to new devs and wondering why all your history disappeared again, sigh you shouldn't rebase on a public branch! , gah fuck it)
  - Aeolun 4y ago
    Is this a hill I’m willing to die on?… again?… Yeah, sure, sounds like a great idea.
  - simplotek 4y ago
    I worked on projects where rebase was the norm, even for public feature branches. Not a problem. Rebase is a tradeoff of handling merge conflicts with achieving a commit history that is far cleaner and audit-friendly. The point being that some technical choices are not black and white, and people mistake baseless personal opinions with technical truths. There's an awful lot of workable grey areas with tradeoffs. If a team member insists on pushing his personal opinions as the truth, challenges and opposes each and every proposal that does not match his personal opinion, and drags on personal vendettas in decisions that didn't went their way... I'd say that no matter where their tech skills are, that person is still incompetent and a liability in any team.
simplotek 4y ago
>>And this is why skilled people can't find a job. Unless you can kiss a*s you won't get hired. You're trying too hard to rationalize away personal problems and your inability and/or unwillingness to address them. The opposite of disagreeable is not "kissing ass". The opposite of disagreeable, to start off, is not being a total asshole. No one's technical prowess is impressive enough to ignore the fact that they are completely insufferable. A project survives extra weeks or even months, but a team does not survive an eggeegious team member who makes everyone around them miserable. Take a long hard look at yourself before throwing blanket accusations at anyone and everyone around you. As the saying goes, "if someone is an asshole, they're an asshole, if everyone is an asshole, you're the asshole"
- danaris 4y ago
  "I do not hold all the exact same beliefs as you" is not at all the same thing as "I am a disagreeable person." "I will say yes to absolutely everything you say" is not at all the same thing as "I will do a good job." There are absolutely far too many workplaces where you are expected to kiss ass to be hired or to progress. Personally, I know that I would never feel OK working there, so I don't see the point of trying to pretend I'm an ass-kisser in interviews. I actually am an agreeable person, overall; I just want to find a place to work that will be OK working with me, not with some extremely different false face I have to spend a huge amount of energy putting on every day just to get paid there.
- ahMath8 4y ago
  That’s not an unreasonable take when it comes to companies. Missed calls, days to hear anything, weeks of back and forth, constant apologies, spaced out mgmt, PMs, euphemisms, platitudes, a whole bunch of typical humans nitpicking every sentence and syntax structure, unpaid wages… it’s rampant across society and we all keep accepting it. You’re turning this into a blame game on one person when there’s plenty of anecdotes, legal cases, and data to show that company’s are full of assholes.
- jsjsof 4y ago
  What makes someone an asshole?
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roflyear 4y ago
Every time I've hired someone like this they've made awful decisions. The same thing that makes them so agreeable, I think, makes them awful at making decisions.
s3000 4y ago
>>"They do not hire disagreeable people." >And this is why skilled people can't find a job Which is a good thing because it makes it affordable for startups to hire skilled people.

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gw98 4y ago

I dunno I'm an asshole and I'm having to beat people off with a stick at the moment. However in UK and there is a market vacuum. Anyway you don't have to kiss ass. All you have to do is have a solution to problems and ability to shape ideas not just cut them off. Unless it's nodejs. That can just fuck off. When I hire people myself I'm looking for people who are opinionated but can back that up with experience and evidence and thought processes which show how the conclusion was reached. I really don't want to hire passive production monkeys.

popotamonga 4y ago

It works, the following words made me rich: - Great idea - Makes total sense - That's how I would do it - I agree And this is not a joke.

gardenhedge 4y ago
Well a team has to come together around a shared goal. If a team is made up of people who disagree with what the team is trying to do... it's not a team
- jasonjmcghee 4y ago
  I think people often share common goals, but “how” is where disagreement tends to be. And I think that’s healthy. Some friction in decision making will often yield better decisions.
  - simplotek 4y ago
    > Some friction in decision making will often yield better decisions. I agree. The problem starts when this sort of friction continues after all the decision-making is done and starts manifesting as contrarian positions towards how the project is being conducted, always insisting that their idea was better, and even assuming aspects of sabotage. It's one thing to determine a path forward, but an entirely different thing to assume a "my way or no way" stance.
icedchai 4y ago
Even if I don't agree 100%, I'll find myself saying these things. Especially in today's world of pointless Zoom meetings, endless "check-ins", it's often not worth arguing. Rarely is anything mission critical. (If it's a "big deal", I will disagree.)
ransom1538 4y ago
them: "We should switch to rebase! I read this blog!" me: "ok." (even though this will cost hundreds of productivity hours - explaining it to new devs and wondering why all your history disappeared again, sigh you shouldn't rebase on a public branch! , gah fuck it)
- Aeolun 4y ago
  Is this a hill I’m willing to die on?… again?… Yeah, sure, sounds like a great idea.
- simplotek 4y ago
  I worked on projects where rebase was the norm, even for public feature branches. Not a problem. Rebase is a tradeoff of handling merge conflicts with achieving a commit history that is far cleaner and audit-friendly. The point being that some technical choices are not black and white, and people mistake baseless personal opinions with technical truths. There's an awful lot of workable grey areas with tradeoffs. If a team member insists on pushing his personal opinions as the truth, challenges and opposes each and every proposal that does not match his personal opinion, and drags on personal vendettas in decisions that didn't went their way... I'd say that no matter where their tech skills are, that person is still incompetent and a liability in any team.

simplotek 4y ago

>>And this is why skilled people can't find a job. Unless you can kiss a*s you won't get hired. You're trying too hard to rationalize away personal problems and your inability and/or unwillingness to address them. The opposite of disagreeable is not "kissing ass". The opposite of disagreeable, to start off, is not being a total asshole. No one's technical prowess is impressive enough to ignore the fact that they are completely insufferable. A project survives extra weeks or even months, but a team does not survive an eggeegious team member who makes everyone around them miserable. Take a long hard look at yourself before throwing blanket accusations at anyone and everyone around you. As the saying goes, "if someone is an asshole, they're an asshole, if everyone is an asshole, you're the asshole"

danaris 4y ago
"I do not hold all the exact same beliefs as you" is not at all the same thing as "I am a disagreeable person." "I will say yes to absolutely everything you say" is not at all the same thing as "I will do a good job." There are absolutely far too many workplaces where you are expected to kiss ass to be hired or to progress. Personally, I know that I would never feel OK working there, so I don't see the point of trying to pretend I'm an ass-kisser in interviews. I actually am an agreeable person, overall; I just want to find a place to work that will be OK working with me, not with some extremely different false face I have to spend a huge amount of energy putting on every day just to get paid there.
ahMath8 4y ago
That’s not an unreasonable take when it comes to companies. Missed calls, days to hear anything, weeks of back and forth, constant apologies, spaced out mgmt, PMs, euphemisms, platitudes, a whole bunch of typical humans nitpicking every sentence and syntax structure, unpaid wages… it’s rampant across society and we all keep accepting it. You’re turning this into a blame game on one person when there’s plenty of anecdotes, legal cases, and data to show that company’s are full of assholes.
jsjsof 4y ago
What makes someone an asshole?
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roflyear 4y ago

Every time I've hired someone like this they've made awful decisions. The same thing that makes them so agreeable, I think, makes them awful at making decisions.

s3000 4y ago

>>"They do not hire disagreeable people." >And this is why skilled people can't find a job Which is a good thing because it makes it affordable for startups to hire skilled people.