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> I just really don’t understand how this whole situation has been this badly mismanaged. You and almost the whole world. There are still some people left beli

> I just really don’t understand how this whole situation has been this badly mismanaged. You and almost the whole world. There are still some people left believing him to play some kind of genius 4D chess. Same thing happens for Trump and Ye.

taffronaut 4y ago
Maybe Thiel is playing the 4D chess in the run up to 2024 and Musk is on board as a very effective distraction who thinks he's the central player.
- qikInNdOutReply 4y ago
  Ever since thiel datamined humanitys true nature out of facebooks data he and all his associated are in full catastrophe fallback mode. If a decline to authoriatarian rule can not be prevented, at least make it controlled. Its also a visible background pattern in almost all larger tech investment - build technology that can not be used for exponential damage in the wrong hands and make humanity resilient to catastrophic change. Example: Youtube videos containg tutorials that survive all of humanity dieing of that knew a certain technology.
squokko 4y ago
But the clear difference is that Musk is very clearly an extremely high IQ guy. Trump and Ye have incredible skills in their domain but Musk has really high general intelligence, but is clearly fucking this up beyond anyone's expectations.
- agubelu 4y ago
  I don't know if that is the case, but if it is, it's a perfect example of the difference between intelligence and wisdom.
- TheOtherHobbes 4y ago
  IQ is about processing speed, not processing quality. If you're operating outside of your competence with limited awareness and inaccurate contextual assumptions you can be super-smart and still make incredibly stupid decisions.
  - skissane 4y ago
    > IQ is about processing speed That’s not true-processing speed is just one component of IQ. Some people can have below average processing speed but be in the gifted range in other IQ components. (e.g. on WISC-V, high GAI but low PSI). It is actually reasonably common among people who are gifted but also have ADHD/ASD/OCD/etc
  - mejutoco 4y ago
    IQ is about passing IQ tests.
- otikik 4y ago
  Efficiency vs effectiveness. Different kinds of intelligence.
- syrgian 4y ago
  Do you have any indisputable example of this? (as in quick, smart reasoning in real time, so it could not have been written by someone else). It makes sense to me that he would be smart as in raw reasoning capacity, but all the content I have been linked him to made him look pretty normal or even less smart than the average career engineer.
  - theonething 4y ago
    > When I met Elon it was apparent to me that although he had a scientific mind and he understood scientific principles, he did not know anything about rockets. Nothing. That was in 2001. By 2007 he knew everything about rockets - he really knew everything, in detail. You have to put some serious study in to know as much about rockets as he knows now. This doesn't come just from hanging out with people. Robert Zubrin - aerospace engineer > Elon is brilliant. He’s involved in just about everything. He understands everything. If he asks you a question, you learn very quickly not to go give him a gut reaction. He wants answers that get down to the fundamental laws of physics. One thing he understands really well is the physics of the rockets. He understands that like nobody else. The stuff I have seen him do in his head is crazy. He can get in discussions about flying a satellite and whether we can make the right orbit and deliver Dragon at the same time and solve all these equations in real time. It’s amazing to watch the amount of knowledge he has accumulated over the years. Kevin Watson - Head of Avionics, Launcher https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/k1e0ta/evidence_that_musk_is_the_chief_engineer_of_spacex/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/k1e0ta/eviden...
    - syrgian 4y ago
      Thanks, I appreciate the links and will come back to them if Elon ever falls in grace with those people. If they don't change their opinion that would be a decent proof of his intelligence. For now, however, I would prefer a video of the many interviews he takes instead of quotes of people that have a lot to gain from praising Elon (and a lot to lose if they criticized him). Is there any quote from any of the people in that thread that paint Elon in a bad light? I know for sure there are many things bad Elon, from his direct actions. Do they ever comment on that or would they lose their livelihood within a day if they did?
- squokko 4y ago
  LOL, imagine "Elon Musk is smart" getting downvoted on a site about tech entrepreneurship and company building. This is Exhibit #1 as to why people should not take this website seriously
unsupp0rted 4y ago
It’s not necessarily 4D chess so much as “he doesn’t care at all about that which I think is important”. I think it’s important not to piss off your existing and upcoming workforce. He doesn’t. Is he obviously wrong? Time will tell.

taffronaut 4y ago

Maybe Thiel is playing the 4D chess in the run up to 2024 and Musk is on board as a very effective distraction who thinks he's the central player.

qikInNdOutReply 4y ago
Ever since thiel datamined humanitys true nature out of facebooks data he and all his associated are in full catastrophe fallback mode. If a decline to authoriatarian rule can not be prevented, at least make it controlled. Its also a visible background pattern in almost all larger tech investment - build technology that can not be used for exponential damage in the wrong hands and make humanity resilient to catastrophic change. Example: Youtube videos containg tutorials that survive all of humanity dieing of that knew a certain technology.

squokko 4y ago

But the clear difference is that Musk is very clearly an extremely high IQ guy. Trump and Ye have incredible skills in their domain but Musk has really high general intelligence, but is clearly fucking this up beyond anyone's expectations.

agubelu 4y ago
I don't know if that is the case, but if it is, it's a perfect example of the difference between intelligence and wisdom.
TheOtherHobbes 4y ago
IQ is about processing speed, not processing quality. If you're operating outside of your competence with limited awareness and inaccurate contextual assumptions you can be super-smart and still make incredibly stupid decisions.
- skissane 4y ago
  > IQ is about processing speed That’s not true-processing speed is just one component of IQ. Some people can have below average processing speed but be in the gifted range in other IQ components. (e.g. on WISC-V, high GAI but low PSI). It is actually reasonably common among people who are gifted but also have ADHD/ASD/OCD/etc
- mejutoco 4y ago
  IQ is about passing IQ tests.
otikik 4y ago
Efficiency vs effectiveness. Different kinds of intelligence.
syrgian 4y ago
Do you have any indisputable example of this? (as in quick, smart reasoning in real time, so it could not have been written by someone else). It makes sense to me that he would be smart as in raw reasoning capacity, but all the content I have been linked him to made him look pretty normal or even less smart than the average career engineer.
- theonething 4y ago
  > When I met Elon it was apparent to me that although he had a scientific mind and he understood scientific principles, he did not know anything about rockets. Nothing. That was in 2001. By 2007 he knew everything about rockets - he really knew everything, in detail. You have to put some serious study in to know as much about rockets as he knows now. This doesn't come just from hanging out with people. Robert Zubrin - aerospace engineer > Elon is brilliant. He’s involved in just about everything. He understands everything. If he asks you a question, you learn very quickly not to go give him a gut reaction. He wants answers that get down to the fundamental laws of physics. One thing he understands really well is the physics of the rockets. He understands that like nobody else. The stuff I have seen him do in his head is crazy. He can get in discussions about flying a satellite and whether we can make the right orbit and deliver Dragon at the same time and solve all these equations in real time. It’s amazing to watch the amount of knowledge he has accumulated over the years. Kevin Watson - Head of Avionics, Launcher https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/k1e0ta/evidence_that_musk_is_the_chief_engineer_of_spacex/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/k1e0ta/eviden...
  - syrgian 4y ago
    Thanks, I appreciate the links and will come back to them if Elon ever falls in grace with those people. If they don't change their opinion that would be a decent proof of his intelligence. For now, however, I would prefer a video of the many interviews he takes instead of quotes of people that have a lot to gain from praising Elon (and a lot to lose if they criticized him). Is there any quote from any of the people in that thread that paint Elon in a bad light? I know for sure there are many things bad Elon, from his direct actions. Do they ever comment on that or would they lose their livelihood within a day if they did?
squokko 4y ago
LOL, imagine "Elon Musk is smart" getting downvoted on a site about tech entrepreneurship and company building. This is Exhibit #1 as to why people should not take this website seriously

unsupp0rted 4y ago

It’s not necessarily 4D chess so much as “he doesn’t care at all about that which I think is important”. I think it’s important not to piss off your existing and upcoming workforce. He doesn’t. Is he obviously wrong? Time will tell.