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Your gas stove will likely dramatically outperform an 1800W electric heater if you use a proper pot: https://turbopot.com/ https://turbopot.com/ I would still
by amluto 4y ago
Your gas stove will likely dramatically outperform an 1800W electric heater if you use a proper pot:
https://turbopot.com/ https://turbopot.com/
I would still rather use a nice induction range, but it is possible to get decent efficiency out of gas.
- jeffbee 4y agoBuying cookware that works better on gas but is specifically incompatible with induction cooking seems a bit like rigging your Ram to roll coal, at this point in time.
- marssaxman 4y agoHow's that? Most people who have serviceable gas ranges are not going to rip them out and replace them with induction any time soon. Someone who wants to go electric badly enough to spend thousands of dollars installing a high-current power outlet is not likely to balk at the cost of new pans.
- crooked-v 4y agoThere's still a huge amount of energy that gets dumped out into the kitchen by any non-induction cooktop, no matter what pot you use.
- nerdponx 4y agoI always wanted some kind of "collar" that I could put around a burner to try to direct that excess heat back into the pan/pot.
- socialismisok 4y agoThe problem is you need airflow or you generate carbon monoxide instead of carbon dioxide. So simple solutions can get more heat but also kill you.
- ClumsyPilot 4y agominor side effect
- BuyMyBitcoins 4y agoDeath only increases the amount of carbon emissions this method saves.
- socialismisok 4y agoLower carbon emissions with this one weird trick!
- Temporary_31337 4y agoProduct idea: a broken CO detector that saves up to 100% of person’s future emissions. Saves money in the future too.
- Tepix 4y agoBut your decomposing family will release CO2!
- paranoidrobot 4y agoIt's offset against the future CO2 emissions of the family and their descendants. (Gee, this thread got dark. Like carbon-black dark)
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- bch 4y agoThere used to be (still is?) a sort of vertical chute/collar available to put around camp pots. Think mountaineering applications. The idea was that they would capture heat energy escaping off the bottom of the pot that would rise/disperse into the environment, and channel it close to the side of the pot where it would heat the vessel as it rose. Think of wrapping a section of corrugated cardboard around the outside wall of a pot. Now a birds-eye view down the cardboard should reveal the energy capturing channels that will allow the sides of your pot to heat the pot contents. Adjust your material and tune the sizing and you’ve got a camping gadget.
- thebiss 4y agoTypically, those collars are used as a wind screen. https://www.rei.com/product/139472/toaks-titanium-windscreen https://www.rei.com/product/139472/toaks-titanium-windscreen
- bch 4y agoNo - found a reference: https://www.msrgear.com/stoves/stove-accessories/heat-exchanger/321105.html https://www.msrgear.com/stoves/stove-accessories/heat-exchan...
- amluto 4y agoThis is maybe useful for boiling water but not so great for cooking. You want your pot to have a relatively uniform temperature, and gas burns very hot. This means that, especially if the walls of the pan are thin, any part of the wall that has good thermal contact with combustion products and poor contact with food will get extremely hot, with various unfortunate consequences. Also the handles will get hot.
- nerdponx 4y agoWell it takes absolutely forever to boil water on a camp stove, so I"ll take it.
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- AdamN 4y agoOld cast iron skillets had a collar under them to better fit on the pot belly stovetop.
- carabiner 4y agoCrazy. Like a Jetboil for your home stove.
- modriano 4y agoWhat efficiency (in terms of energy transfer to the intended material vs to the environment) is observed with gas? IIRC, gas achieves maybe 35-50% efficiency (depending on the surface area and material of the pan) compared with ~80% for electric resistance heating and >90% for induction. Adam Ragusea did a water boiling comparison and the gas stove was dumping so much energy into the air around the pot that his thermometer melted [0]. I just don't see how any pan geometry could extract much of the energy from the quickly rising hot gas produced by combustion. [0] https://youtu.be/Xn1LUo5ra_A?t=249 https://youtu.be/Xn1LUo5ra_A?t=249
- stephen_g 4y agoThe claim on the site is that the heat exchanger base boosts efficiency up to 60%. You still of course do have the problem that home rangehoods usually aren't powerful enough to create enough air-flow to properly deal with the NOx and SOx produced by burning gas, which turns out to be a big health risk...
- amluto 4y agoMost home range hoods are too powerful. Go to any site that calculates commercial range hood requirements, enter in your parameters, and then try to find a nice range hood that matches. Those 700 cfm or 1000 cfm beasts the appliance stores sell are entirely inappropriate. There may well be a problem with a poorly designed range hood and exhaust that inevitably isn’t captured. And people might not like using the hoods all the time.
- heisenbit 4y agoComparing gas with electrical efficiency is not representing realistic end-to-end efficiencies wrt. co2 as long as the vas majority of electricity is generated from primary energy. Power plants tend to have efficiencies lower 50%.
- zwirbl 4y agoThe gas end-to-end "efficiency" will not improve drastically ever, while for an electrical stove it is tied to energy production. Arguing with end-to-end efficiencies and power plants is misleading, as I can power my induction stove from my solar panels
- namuol 4y agoI have a gas stove in my studio apartment. I still use an electric kettle to get water boiling before dumping it into a preheated pan to cook noodles/whatever. Highly recommend this approach if you are stuck with gas.
- vineyardmike 4y ago> Highly recommend this approach if you are stuck with gas. My partner, who cooks more, bemoans that our new apartment has electric. Grew up using gas and claims that it’s better for cooking. I prefer not to intentionally dump gas into our house and welcome the minor benefit of energy efficiency. Funny how different people see the world (and technology).
- Schroedingersat 4y agoGet a (high power) portable induction hob. If you have an outlet that can supply a 1.8-3kW one, it's better than gas unless you're using a wok or simar.
- diordiderot 4y agoWatch this video about how the idea that gas was better for cooking was a marketing ploy with no basis in reality and how they used lobbyist to force has connections into building codes https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hX2aZUav-54 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hX2aZUav-54
- leoedin 4y ago"no basis in reality". Do you cook? Gas is functionally superior than traditional electric resistance cooking. That's not some evil lobby, that's practical experience. You can instantly control the temperature without juggling multiple burners at different heats. That makes it better. I'd take gas over electric (resistive or halogen) all the time - and I've lived with both. Induction is on par with gas in controllability - and although there are some downsides, the upsides (so easy to clean!) Make it worth it (imo). I'm not saying that because big induction paid me to either.