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This is demonstrably false. It is a system outputting character-for-character repository code.[1] [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33457517 https://ne

This is demonstrably false. It is a system outputting character-for-character repository code.[1] [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33457517 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33457517

pmarreck 4y ago
It can be modified to not do that (example: mutating the code to a "synonym" that is functionally but not visually identical). It can also be modified to be opt-in-only (only peoples' code that they permit to be learned on, can use the product)
- falcolas 4y ago
  Perhaps you are right, and it could be so modified. Could be, but isn’t. And that matters.
- ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
  plagiarism with some words swapped is still plagiarism
naikrovek 4y ago
- xigoi 4y ago
  Individual words can't be copyrighted.
adriand 4y ago
If I use Photoshop to create an image that is identical to a registered trademark, is the rights violation my fault or Adobe’s fault?
- xigoi 4y ago
  Photoshop can't produce copyrighted images on its own.
  - metadat 4y ago
    To play devil's advocate: Co-Pilot can't reproduce copyrighted work without appropriate user input. Just trying to demonstrate a point- this analogy seems flawed.
    - heavyset_go 4y ago
      If I draw some eyes in Photoshop, it won't automatically draw the Mona Lisa around it for me.
      - metadat 4y ago
        Until you sprinkle a bit of Stable Diffusion V2 or 3 on it, or perhaps some GaN. The more I think about it, the more this all seems like another dimension of Jack and the Magic Beanstalk crossed with The Matrix.
      - WithinReason 4y ago
        If you Google Mona Lisa the result is the Mona Lisa. If you query Copilot for a common piece of code you get that code.
        heavyset_go 4y ago
        Google doesn't sell its search feature as a product that you can just plagiarize the results from and they're yours. Microsoft does that with Copilot. Copilot is as much of a search engine as Stable Diffusion or DALL-e are, which is to say they aren't at all. If you want to compare it to a search engine, despite it being a tortured metaphor, the most apt comparison is not to Google, but to The Pirate Bay if TPB stored all of their copyrighted content and served it up themselves.
Aeolun 4y ago
Ok, cool. Presumably that is because it’s smart enough to know that there is only one (public) solution to the constraints you set (like asking it to reproduce licensed code). Now, while you may be able to get it to reproduce one function. One file, and definitely the whole repository seems extremely unlikely.

This is demonstrably false. It is a system outputting character-for-character repository code.[1] [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33457517 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33457517

pmarreck 4y ago

It can be modified to not do that (example: mutating the code to a "synonym" that is functionally but not visually identical). It can also be modified to be opt-in-only (only peoples' code that they permit to be learned on, can use the product)

falcolas 4y ago
Perhaps you are right, and it could be so modified. Could be, but isn’t. And that matters.
ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
plagiarism with some words swapped is still plagiarism

naikrovek 4y ago

xigoi 4y ago
Individual words can't be copyrighted.

adriand 4y ago

If I use Photoshop to create an image that is identical to a registered trademark, is the rights violation my fault or Adobe’s fault?

xigoi 4y ago
Photoshop can't produce copyrighted images on its own.
- metadat 4y ago
  To play devil's advocate: Co-Pilot can't reproduce copyrighted work without appropriate user input. Just trying to demonstrate a point- this analogy seems flawed.
  - heavyset_go 4y ago
    If I draw some eyes in Photoshop, it won't automatically draw the Mona Lisa around it for me.
    - metadat 4y ago
      Until you sprinkle a bit of Stable Diffusion V2 or 3 on it, or perhaps some GaN. The more I think about it, the more this all seems like another dimension of Jack and the Magic Beanstalk crossed with The Matrix.
    - WithinReason 4y ago
      If you Google Mona Lisa the result is the Mona Lisa. If you query Copilot for a common piece of code you get that code.
      - heavyset_go 4y ago
        Google doesn't sell its search feature as a product that you can just plagiarize the results from and they're yours. Microsoft does that with Copilot. Copilot is as much of a search engine as Stable Diffusion or DALL-e are, which is to say they aren't at all. If you want to compare it to a search engine, despite it being a tortured metaphor, the most apt comparison is not to Google, but to The Pirate Bay if TPB stored all of their copyrighted content and served it up themselves.

Aeolun 4y ago

Ok, cool. Presumably that is because it’s smart enough to know that there is only one (public) solution to the constraints you set (like asking it to reproduce licensed code). Now, while you may be able to get it to reproduce one function. One file, and definitely the whole repository seems extremely unlikely.