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The funny thing is that for all the amazing technological improvements discussed, all the pictures in the article actually show that A. having a photographer wh

by city17 4y ago

The funny thing is that for all the amazing technological improvements discussed, all the pictures in the article actually show that A. having a photographer who knows how to frame things, and sees the right moment to capture an image, and B. having a subject worthwhile photographing, are way more important than having a top tier quality camera.

1123581321 4y ago
That’s a good observation so far as it motivates people to learn photography skills. As soon as you know how to take photos, though, you resume appreciating what the right equipment lets you capture, or have a better chance to capture.
xdfgh1112 4y ago
Well yeah but it doesn't hurt to make photography more accessible to everyone.
- ska 4y ago
  It was always pretty accessible, at least since 35mm was developed.
belfalas 4y ago
Kim Jung Gi (the artist) once said that the question he got most often was: what kind of brush pen do you use?
- bitexploder 4y ago
  It’s like asking Feynman about magnets.
- lethologica 4y ago
  RIP to Kim Jung Gi. He could have drawn with a stick in sand and still produce brilliant art. But the tool is the thing that is most visible to admirers, and the thing that they can most easily replicate with their own work, so it doesn't surprise me that that's what most people misguidedly ask about. It's also much easier to buy a pen than it is to put decades of hard work and dedication into your art on a daily basis. Instant gratification.
sumedh 4y ago
A photographer friend of mine always used to get comments like you can take such awesome shots because you are using a DSLR (this was 10 years back). So he started taking two pictures one with DSLR and one with a mobile cameras at that time. He would still get the awesome shots comments even with the pics he took with the basic mobile camera and shared them on social media.
- neverartful 4y ago
  That's not surprising. I'd put my money on a good photographer with a crummy camera rather than a crummy photographer with a good camera any day of the week. The biggest part of photography is being able to 'see' the photos before you even raise the camera.
  - saiya-jin 4y ago
    they say it takes roughly 10k photos to get to the OK level in composition and this 'seeing' (and that obviously means 10k serious photo attempts not just 30 selfies per coffee mug in starbucks). Its not that much once you carry camera and ie go to nature over weekends and travel for holidays, or walk around a lot for street photography. I think it can be sped up a bit with editing photos in say Lightroom - ie once you keep cropping the photos in same way to get the best out of them, you grok what is required and do it already in camera, or electing the best composition out of few shots etc.
  - kaba0 4y ago
    I guess it depends on the subject. E.g. no cameramen will take a good photo of flying birds with a shitty camera, but sure enough in good lighting conditions static scenes can be remarkably good even with worse hardware.
- somat 4y ago
  The joke goes something like. A photographer visits a friend for dinner and shows her some of his photos, "Oh wow! these are spectacular" she gushes, "you must have an amazing camera". The photographer then replies "that dinner was great, you must have excellent pots".
ska 4y ago
This has always been true. Most of what professional cameras and lenses get you is the ability to get shots you otherwise couldn't - lower light, further distance, faster action, etc. Particular effect in DOF of flattening. Nothing that makes a good photo. Without an eye, it's all wasted. But a good eye will see shots that can't be made; more of them if the camera at hand is limited.
IndySun 4y ago
>...all the pictures in the article actually show that... This simply is no longer as true as it once was. And has been for at least a decade. More than three decades ago my forward thinking cobol programmer friend stated, drunk, that in the future someone called a wedding photographer will be able to walk into an event with a digital camera, wave it around, then select images for publication without having to sit people, set tripods, or wait for that one-off unique special moment. They were right.
TillE 4y ago
That's all true, but sometimes your overriding goal isn't to create a beautiful photograph, it's to record a particular thing at a particular moment. Then camera technology really does make a massive difference, especially in low light, etc.
blululu 4y ago
Is this serious? Some of the side by sides are totally blacked out vs beautifully lit. The improvements in cameras open up the possibility of taking shots that would have simply not been possible. Sure photography is a skill. The realtime feedback on a smartphone might actually be the most significant improvement that smartphone has made to the camera. But discounting the obvious improvements in sensing an processing is just nonsense.
- smoldesu 4y ago
  That's not new? Computational photography has existed for years in iPhone, and decent Night Mode shots have been possible since the Pixel 3. Nobody is changing the game here, it's just some Apple nerds talking about the new Apple product. That's fine, but it's passe to talk about how revolutionary a notched camera is, or how great computational photography has become. We know these things are good. That's why these Halide iPhone camera reviews are perennially worthless. They've never released a review that feels critically substantially. It's simply "here's the new iPhone hardware we're being forced to support" being copywritten as ad-material for their app.
- bcraven 4y ago
  "Some of the side by sides are totally blacked out vs beautifully lit." Those are the side-by-side examples to show the raw file latitude.
Aeolun 4y ago
Kind of. If you have an image worth capturing but can’t capture it that’s a problem.
javajosh 4y ago
When he writes, "I took the iPhone 14 Pro on a trip around San Francisco and Northern California, to the remote Himalayas and mountains of the Kingdom of Bhutan, and Tokyo.", my first thought was: who IS this person? And is this article even at all real?
- Qahlel 4y ago
  that last bit gave me a huge chuckle
- rasz 4y ago
  Its not some random article, its a commercial for Halide subscription.
a_imho 4y ago
My very amateurish pov: quantity is the most important quality, take enough photos and you will end up with a few very good ones.

by city17 4y ago

1123581321 4y ago

That’s a good observation so far as it motivates people to learn photography skills. As soon as you know how to take photos, though, you resume appreciating what the right equipment lets you capture, or have a better chance to capture.

xdfgh1112 4y ago

Well yeah but it doesn't hurt to make photography more accessible to everyone.

ska 4y ago
It was always pretty accessible, at least since 35mm was developed.

belfalas 4y ago

Kim Jung Gi (the artist) once said that the question he got most often was: what kind of brush pen do you use?

bitexploder 4y ago
It’s like asking Feynman about magnets.
lethologica 4y ago
RIP to Kim Jung Gi. He could have drawn with a stick in sand and still produce brilliant art. But the tool is the thing that is most visible to admirers, and the thing that they can most easily replicate with their own work, so it doesn't surprise me that that's what most people misguidedly ask about. It's also much easier to buy a pen than it is to put decades of hard work and dedication into your art on a daily basis. Instant gratification.

sumedh 4y ago

A photographer friend of mine always used to get comments like you can take such awesome shots because you are using a DSLR (this was 10 years back). So he started taking two pictures one with DSLR and one with a mobile cameras at that time. He would still get the awesome shots comments even with the pics he took with the basic mobile camera and shared them on social media.

neverartful 4y ago
That's not surprising. I'd put my money on a good photographer with a crummy camera rather than a crummy photographer with a good camera any day of the week. The biggest part of photography is being able to 'see' the photos before you even raise the camera.
- saiya-jin 4y ago
  they say it takes roughly 10k photos to get to the OK level in composition and this 'seeing' (and that obviously means 10k serious photo attempts not just 30 selfies per coffee mug in starbucks). Its not that much once you carry camera and ie go to nature over weekends and travel for holidays, or walk around a lot for street photography. I think it can be sped up a bit with editing photos in say Lightroom - ie once you keep cropping the photos in same way to get the best out of them, you grok what is required and do it already in camera, or electing the best composition out of few shots etc.
- kaba0 4y ago
  I guess it depends on the subject. E.g. no cameramen will take a good photo of flying birds with a shitty camera, but sure enough in good lighting conditions static scenes can be remarkably good even with worse hardware.
somat 4y ago
The joke goes something like. A photographer visits a friend for dinner and shows her some of his photos, "Oh wow! these are spectacular" she gushes, "you must have an amazing camera". The photographer then replies "that dinner was great, you must have excellent pots".

ska 4y ago

This has always been true. Most of what professional cameras and lenses get you is the ability to get shots you otherwise couldn't - lower light, further distance, faster action, etc. Particular effect in DOF of flattening. Nothing that makes a good photo. Without an eye, it's all wasted. But a good eye will see shots that can't be made; more of them if the camera at hand is limited.

IndySun 4y ago

>...all the pictures in the article actually show that... This simply is no longer as true as it once was. And has been for at least a decade. More than three decades ago my forward thinking cobol programmer friend stated, drunk, that in the future someone called a wedding photographer will be able to walk into an event with a digital camera, wave it around, then select images for publication without having to sit people, set tripods, or wait for that one-off unique special moment. They were right.

TillE 4y ago

That's all true, but sometimes your overriding goal isn't to create a beautiful photograph, it's to record a particular thing at a particular moment. Then camera technology really does make a massive difference, especially in low light, etc.

blululu 4y ago

Is this serious? Some of the side by sides are totally blacked out vs beautifully lit. The improvements in cameras open up the possibility of taking shots that would have simply not been possible. Sure photography is a skill. The realtime feedback on a smartphone might actually be the most significant improvement that smartphone has made to the camera. But discounting the obvious improvements in sensing an processing is just nonsense.

smoldesu 4y ago
That's not new? Computational photography has existed for years in iPhone, and decent Night Mode shots have been possible since the Pixel 3. Nobody is changing the game here, it's just some Apple nerds talking about the new Apple product. That's fine, but it's passe to talk about how revolutionary a notched camera is, or how great computational photography has become. We know these things are good. That's why these Halide iPhone camera reviews are perennially worthless. They've never released a review that feels critically substantially. It's simply "here's the new iPhone hardware we're being forced to support" being copywritten as ad-material for their app.
bcraven 4y ago
"Some of the side by sides are totally blacked out vs beautifully lit." Those are the side-by-side examples to show the raw file latitude.

Aeolun 4y ago

Kind of. If you have an image worth capturing but can’t capture it that’s a problem.

javajosh 4y ago

When he writes, "I took the iPhone 14 Pro on a trip around San Francisco and Northern California, to the remote Himalayas and mountains of the Kingdom of Bhutan, and Tokyo.", my first thought was: who IS this person? And is this article even at all real?

Qahlel 4y ago
that last bit gave me a huge chuckle
rasz 4y ago
Its not some random article, its a commercial for Halide subscription.

a_imho 4y ago

My very amateurish pov: quantity is the most important quality, take enough photos and you will end up with a few very good ones.