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Vasa's sister ship Äpplet found
- NegativeLatency 4y agoAre there any surviving line drawings of these boats?
- moffkalast 4y ago
- hericium 4y agoThere's Vasa Museum[1] in Stockholm with the whole ship. [1] https://www.vasamuseet.se/en/ https://www.vasamuseet.se/en/
- zdw 4y agoIf you have the opportunity, visiting this museum is highly recommended - they let you walk inside the ship and see both the historical context, as well as the modern restoration process. It's located in a beautiful park and the nearby Nordiska museum is also quite impressive.
- matthiasv 4y agoThey won't let you walk inside the ship. At least not a year ago.
- skookum 4y agoI've been visiting the Vasa every few years for 3 decades and there has never been a time when museum goers were allowed onto or into the ship. I haven't been to Stockholm since the start of the Covid pandemic but I very much doubt that has changed. They do have some rooms on the side with mock-ups of some of the ship's quarters - maybe that is what you are remembering?
- mwidell 4y agoIt's funny because I also had this memory of walking around inside the ship when I visited the museum as a child. A few years ago when I visited again I realised it must had been the interior mockups I remember.
- zdw 4y agoAh, might have been a mockup I remember - the ceilings were quite low and the floor very angled. It's a sign of how good the mockup and whole museum was that I remember it being better than it actually was.
- AtNightWeCode 4y agoEh, no, you are not allowed onto the ship. Still, it is probably the best museum in Sweden.
- ggm 4y agoIt sometimes felt like it was a giant candle-wax drip model 1:1 scale, there is so much preserving coating on the wood.
- pavlov 4y agoThe naming of the first ship is obvious: Vasa was the royal house of Sweden. But why did the king decide to call the second ship "The Apple"? Did he like his Macintosh so much?
- robin_reala 4y agoWikipedia says: "The Apple" is the Swedish term for the globus cruciger, the regal orb and cross.
- airstrike 4y ago"Globus Cruciger" is a badass name for an indie game
- Bronze_Colossus 4y agoIt's tradition in the Swedish navy to give the largest and mightiest ships name from the Swedish royal regalia. But sure doesn't sound intimidating.
- mayormcmatt 4y agoTangentially, there is an interesting connection between Scandanavia and the Mac: the command key symbol, AKA Saint John's Arms (among others). When I've visited Sweden, it's all over the countryside, on signs marking places of interest.
- jfk13 4y ago> The ship's designer was Hein Jakobsson, the same master shipbuilder who completed Vasa. He realized that Vasa had the wrong proportions even before she was launched, which could lead to instability. And indeed, she tipped, foundered and sank on her maiden voyage. > The Apple was therefore built wider than the Vasa, but despite this, the ship was not successful... Being a "master shipbuilder" in those days was apparently a tough gig.
- colourgarden 4y ago> He realized that Vasa had the wrong proportions even before she was launched Not only did he realise it, he proved it. Days before launching the ship, he had 30 men run across the deck to demonstrate its stability. The ship listed badly and they stopped the demonstration before the King arrived.
- abcd_f 4y agoAnd the proportions of Vasa were wrong only because the king got to participate in and drive the design process.
- pavlov 4y agoIn fact being a master shipbuilder in 1612 was very similar to being a master software architect in 2022.
- labster 4y agoThat would explain why someone wrote IT shanties. https://www.npr.org/2022/01/22/1074964815/opinion-sea-shanties-written-for-the-digital-age https://www.npr.org/2022/01/22/1074964815/opinion-sea-shanti...
- floren 4y agoNot a patch on the White Collar Holler: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsDkmVo2fg4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsDkmVo2fg4
- coldcode 4y agoI must resist asking if it used Java. I would love to see the Vasa but have not made it to Stockholm yet. I did see the Mary Rose in Portsmouth which was incredibly fascinating to see (large portions of the ship remain so you can see the layout). Mary Rose is from the century prior to Vasa and Äpplet.
- BurningFrog 4y agoI've been across much of the world, and never seen or heard of anything like Vasa. If I'm wrong, I'm sure comments below will have counterexamples :) I tell people that if they only do one thing in Stockholm, it should be that.
- lastofthemojito 4y agoCertainly not the same thing, but the 2 literally jaw-dropping moments I've experienced looking at "ships" in museums are the Vasa and the Space Shuttle Discovery (at the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum's Udvar-Hazy Center outside of Washington).
- gokhan 4y agoVisited both. Mary Rose is well presented with all the extracted findings in their own galleries. But visiting Vasa is much better experience, it's intact, you're so close etc.
- dendrite9 4y agoHave you been to the Mary Rose recently? I read about the changes since I was there around 2000. I remember the spraying and thinking it would take forever for that process to be finished. Interesting to be on that other side of forever and see visitors can see the boat without the spraying chamber in place.
- gokhan 4y agoBeen there this summer. It's in the section where you go through double doors, to control temp and humidity.
- dingosity 4y ago
- DougN7 4y agoIf you find this interesting, you might like learning about the Goethenborg, which you can even volunteer and sail on. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff6aQdszTiE https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff6aQdszTiE
- worldsayshi 4y agoAnd also right now they need volunteers willing to work on rig and hull maintenance for food and sleeping quarters during its winter stop over in Barcelona.
- cromulent 4y agoI wonder if a statue of Paavo Nurmi will be on the deck. https://www.ayy.fi/en/student-culture/pranks https://www.ayy.fi/en/student-culture/pranks
- hal-eisen 4y agoWhile we're talking about old ships, let me toss in a plug (ha ha) for the Edwin Fox. Not quite so old, but still very interesting history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Fox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Fox
- mherdeg 4y agoI hope they treat it right! My biggest takeaway from visiting Vasa was that it only has decades left, after being essentially immortal underwater, due to some preservation-related choices that seemed right at the time. A final irony for the vessel I guess.
- gambiting 4y agoThat's not quite what the museum page says: "Vasa lay in the grimy waters in Stockholm for 333 years. After all these years in the water the ship was attacked by bacteria and rust.Vasa was slowly decomposing, and is still doing so today, due to a number of different factors. The museum is conducting world-leading research on how to counteract these decomposition processes. And considering the age, we must say that Vasa is in an impressive shape. Our goal is to preserve Vasa for a thousand years."
- mherdeg 4y agoMaybe the science on this has changed? The display I saw when I visited in 2016 says they attribute significantly accelerated deterioration to the choice to spray the vessel with PEG. Some discussion on this at https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/pressroom/presspacs/2012/acs-presspac-august-29-2012/warning-on-deterioration-of-famous-swedish-warship-vasa.html https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/pressroom/presspacs/2012/.... But I'd certainly believe them if they've changed their estimates.
- henrikschroder 4y agoWhen I was a kid in the 80's I visited the old museum where they were actively spraying the ship, and I think they took that decision in the 70's, so I wouldn't be surprised if they know a lot more now about wood conservation. Anyway, I think they're saying now that the biggest problem is that the old iron is reacting badly somehow, and they're thinking about - very carefully - replacing all the nails. But the whole thing is very much a work in progress when it comes to conservation, no-one has done anything like this at this scale ever.
- yuvalr1 4y agoIf you have some free hours in Stockholm, treat yourself a visit to the Vasa museum. Seeing these ships with your own eyes and internalizing the amount of work and thought that was put into them is a real thought provoking experience. The eventual magnificent failure of the ship only adds to the story. This is one of the more impressive museums I had the pleasure to visit.
- DoneWithAllThat 4y agoWhen I told a coworker I was visiting Stockholm for the first time a few years back, we had the following conversation: Him: “You gonna go see the boat museum?” Me: “The what?” Him: “The boat museum. It’s a museum with a boat in it.” Me: “…just one boat?” Him: “Trust me. Go see the boat.” He was right. One of the coolest museums I’ve ever visited in my life.
- nevster 4y agoThe Vasa museum is awesome! And while we're talking about Nordic countries, the Fram museum in Oslo is amazing. Being able to walk on and through the actual boat that Roald Amundsen took to the Antarctic is kind of incredible.
- Agentlien 4y agoI always recommend the Vasa museum to people visiting Stockholm as a tourist. My wife and I visited it once when we spent a weekend trip sightseeing in Stockholm. It was one of the best museums I've been to.
- pepy 4y agothe moment I stepped in I could only say 2 words: "holy shit"
- lproven 4y agoHe was, and you are. Highlight of one my last visits to Stockholm so far.
- kyleblarson 4y agoI generally don't get into museums, but I found the Vasa Museum and the Viking Ship museum in Oslo to be incredibly interesting.
- tapland 4y agoAside from Vasa, the museums I'd recommend in Stockholm are: The Royal Amory (https://livrustkammaren.se/en/home/ https://livrustkammaren.se/en/home/) A lot of old items from royalty and nobility. If you ever wanted to see how armor was deemed bullet-proof they have some dented chestplates that shows it off. Swedish Army Museum (https://armemuseum.se/en/start/ https://armemuseum.se/en/start/) Army history from the 1500s and through the Cold War. Old collections of weapons, explanations of how huge armies were maintaned and fed and iirc they also have a huge old soviet missile.
- dchasson 4y ago
- undoware 4y agoI'm lowkey waiting to hear about Applet's other sister-ship, JDK ...implausible? Really? Ha! You can't tell me you've never thought about what you'd name things if you were warped into the past and worked as a Swedish shipwright. Like, it's just too tempting to troll 21st-century conspiracists with anachronistic ship names, of course it would be a thing you'd do. Call this the 'anthwarpic principle' (no I don't care) and by 2022 epistemological standards, it's as likely to be real as anything else OK, fine, downvote me, you cowards
- henrikschroder 4y agoIn English, "Ä" is an "A" with a diaresis modifier: ¨, and is treated as an A for all purposes. In German, "Ä" is the umlaut of "A", and it's not quite a letter of the German alphabet, but also not quite a regular A. In Swedish, "Ä" is a unique letter of the alphabet which makes the "applet" jokes completely nonsensical. If the ship had been named "Epplet", would you have made an applet joke? You're only making the connection because you literally can't see the ¨.
- tephra 4y agoFunilly enough if you looked at the rolls that were presented in the press conference of which battles the ship was a part of it is spelled "Eplet" there. We didn't have a consistent way of spelling things in Sweden until the 1800s.
- undoware 4y agoMy fave German/English confusion is still the word 'Mist' -- I'll never get over hearing how Rolls Royce couldn't understand how their luxury car, the Silver Mist, sold so poorly in Germany
- rippercushions 4y ago> Today, wrecks must remain on the sea bottom, and there is a new museum that is not based primarily on objects,” "Must remain on the sea bottom"? Why? (Seriously.)
- ekimekim 4y agoThere are two important reasons to not disturb historical wrecks: * In many cases the Baltic can do a better job of preservation than we can on the surface. It's survived 300 years down there, it's more likely to survive the next 300 if left in the same environment rather than introducing new effects. Put another way, anything that DOESN'T get preserved well in that environment is already gone anyway. * It keeps the artifacts in their "context" - the place they were originally. You never know what new information may come to light later, and something seemingly insignifigant about the wreck site may prove to be important later. If you remove the wreck from the site, it's much much harder to link back all the artifacts to the place they came from.
- Zigurd 4y agoin September of 2001 I found myself stuck in Stockholm for a few days. I did a lot of walking around in a bit of a daze. I was walking around thinking "Well, at least not much happens here" and I turned the corner to find myself at the place where Olof Palme was shot. Later, I went to the Vasa museum. It struck me how recently that was a state of the art war machine.