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Inca Child Sacrifice Victims Were Drugged
- tele_dude 4y ago
- gardenfelder 4y agoIn Firefox, use reader view if you cannot log in
- newguynewphone 4y agoI was actually so mad when it suddenly stopped me from reading. Thanks.
- cercatrova 4y agoIf they were to be sacrificed anyway, then this is a mercy. It's much better to be drugged and killed than to have your still-beating heart excised from your body like the Maya sometimes did.
- cm_silva 4y agoThey did it so the victims would become passive. There's nothing merciful about cold blooded murder.
- aliqot 4y ago
- bpodgursky 4y agoMost murderers think the person they murder should be dead, and that killing them is a good thing.
- satvikpendem 4y agoDon't conflate today's ethics (and especially your particular ethics that is derived from your lived experience in this day and age) with those of the past, they are highly different and cannot be reasonably compared. In the past it was seen as, if we don't sacrifice this child, our entire civilization might die. This was especially justified by those people of the past if there was prolonged drought or suffering where many people were already dying. Due to a lack of scientific context, they simply did not know any better, so we should not map our ethics today onto those of the past.
- bllcrpdtctr 4y agoBullshit, might as well justify slavery, there are certainly enough contemporary arguments from the time about why it was ethical and scientific.
- notart666 4y agoSlavery still exists today. It's everywhere we just choose to ignore it for the small chance that one of us will become insanely wealthy. It's just greed. Everyone is capable of it in any time.
- solveit 4y agoPeople justify conscription all the time, which is a particularly bad form of slavery. There is a difference between someone being evil and someone being wrong.
- jjoonathan 4y agoNo, I don't think there is. Anyone about to do evil will cook up a batch of kool-aid to transform the act of evil into a "mere" act of being wrong, and the "mere" act of being wrong can certainly lead to being evil in short order. I do not think this distinction exists with anywhere near the level of clarity that would be required to redeem the concept of moral relativism.
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- option 4y agoso happy to live in society mostly free from religious cruelty
- gardenfelder 4y agosarcasm :)
- jrochkind1 4y agoif only
- Brybry 4y agoMaybe some day we'll stop genitally mutilating baby boys but at least we started (mostly) using analgesics/local anesthetics.
- fit2rule 4y ago
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- hulitu 4y agoDo you have a source for that ? "History is written by historians." Frank Herbert - Dune
- chestertn 4y agoAccording to Wikipedia. Spanish Inquisition executed between 3000 and 5000 people over 3 centuries: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition According to this article. “When the Great Pyramid of Tenochtitlan was consecrated in 1487 the Aztecs recorded that 84,000 people were slaughtered in four days” https://qz.com/374994/aztec-sacrifice-was-real-and-its-not-fetishistic-to-be-fascinated-by-it/amp https://qz.com/374994/aztec-sacrifice-was-real-and-its-not-f... So, the math checks out.
- shrimp_emoji 4y agoHey again. c: Note that the Aztecs likely exaggerated their sacrifice counts[0]: >Some post-conquest sources report that at the re-consecration of Great Pyramid of Tenochtitlan in 1487, the Aztecs sacrificed about 80,400 prisoners over the course of four days. This number is considered by Ross Hassig, author of Aztec Warfare, to be an exaggeration. Hassig states "between 10,000 and 80,400 persons" were sacrificed in the ceremony.[15] The higher estimate would average 15 sacrifices per minute during the four-day consecration. Four tables were arranged at the top so that the victims could be jettisoned down the sides of the temple.[22] Additionally, some historians argue that these numbers were inaccurate as most written account of Aztec sacrifices were made by Spanish sources to justify Spain's conquest.[23] Nonetheless, according to Codex Telleriano-Remensis, old Aztecs who talked with the missionaries told about a much lower figure for the reconsecration of the temple, approximately 4,000 victims in total. Also, it seems like we'd wanna count the 40,000 to 240,000 Aztecs slaughtered by the Spaniards[1]. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sacrifice_in_Aztec_culture#Scope_of_human_sacrifice_in_Aztec_culture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sacrifice_in_Aztec_cultu... 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Tenochtitlan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Tenochtitlan
- thinkyfish 4y agoI wonder if all these sacrifices were because of a lack of food. Better to give your kid to the gods than to watch them slowly starve to death during a bad winter.
- ourmandave 4y agoIf this were a bad movie, it would end with the knife falling and then zoom out to show the FEMA trucks only minutes away. Whoopsie!
- peteradio 4y agoWTF, thats M'night shamalama from the 90s
- WirelessGigabit 4y agoDid you just watch the movie version of The Mist by Stephen King?
- newguynewphone 4y ago"In especially uncertain times, such as when an emperor died, or when volcanoes erupted or severe earthquakes or famine struck, priests sacrificed captured warriors or specially raised, perfectly formed children to the gods." related to the article above https://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/aug/04/why-incas-performed-human-sacrifice https://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/aug/04/why-incas-pe...
- ourmandave 4y agohttps://archive.ph/GfxpM https://archive.ph/GfxpM
- anotheryou 4y agoCoca leaves are not that strong, are they? I mean, can you get really high just by chewing them?
- jeffalyanak 4y agoYou'd have to chew quite a lot of them, but it's certainly possible.
- drewcoo 4y agoNo. https://cocateaexpress.com/chewing-coca-leaves-the-good-the-bad-and-the-truth/ https://cocateaexpress.com/chewing-coca-leaves-the-good-the-...
- renewiltord 4y agoFascinating. I wonder what the purpose of the drugs were. Coca is a stimulant so was it a religious experience? But the alcohol is a depressant. Overall I'm wondering if the objective was analgesia or for a religious experience.
- drewcoo 4y agoThey were probably used because the Inca needed to sacrifice for religion but they were still humane. We're talking about people, not very different or separated in time from you and I, but with different religious practices. It only takes a little distance to see that religious practices elsewhere lead to death even today, and one would hope that those would not be painful deaths.
- renewiltord 4y agoRight, so you believe it is for analgesia. But sacrifices need not be humane: they could just as well include components of ritualistic torture for the purpose of punishment. An example: https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/kerala-human-sacrifice-victims-were-brutally-tortured-says-probe-168799 https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/kerala-human-sacrifice... I am curious if there is evidence that this is for analgesia or for something else.