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I got my Amazon account deleted. I have old credit card linked to AWS with billing address in one city of Ukraine. Few weeks later after city been occupied I g

by AlfeG 4y ago

I got my Amazon account deleted. I have old credit card linked to AWS with billing address in one city of Ukraine. Few weeks later after city been occupied I got message from Amazon that my account is locked due to sanctions. They give me ability to comply by removing offending credit card. But I can't do this because account is locked. I've got zero human response only broken scripts from support that I need to login and change my details.

MikePlacid 4y ago
I’ve stopped using Amazon after AWS started political censorship. Actually, saves you a lot of money: much less impulse buying. It appears a lot of my impulse buying was caused by my trust in Amazon return policy :)
- briffle 4y ago
  that is not political censorship, it is illegal for US businesses to do business with Russia because of sanctions. The sanctions themselves are political, but not following them is not a choice for US businesses.
  - rjzzleep 4y ago
    The treasury has no business banning books. It has nothing to do with sanctions. It's purely political. Whatever happened to all the people shouting that "Republicans are banning books"? Banning books is okay, but only if it's for the right now?
  - pentae 4y ago
    When they decided to terminate Parler not even giving them time to move hosts, that wasn't political censorship?
    - morby 4y ago
      There were extremists on the site making calls to violence. A *private* entity deciding they don’t want to do business with a company because of that is neither censorship as a society would consider it nor is it problematic. More people and businesses should be willing to refuse business to entities that seek to harass, abuse, or promote violence to another group of people. What you’re worried about is governmental action and is not equivalent here.
      - JacobThreeThree 4y ago
        >A private entity deciding they don’t want to do business with a company You mean like how OP decided not to do business with Amazon?
      - MikePlacid 4y ago
        Your logic is flawed on many levels, and I will be glad to parse the errors after I have my breakfast and nothing more important emerges. Just one point for now: > What you’re worried about is governmental action and is not equivalent here. My kids tried to point me in the same direction. I’ve just pointed them to the router and said: I am a private citizen paying for Internet connection in this house. In 24 hours this router will be configured to drop all connections to Amazon, Facebook and Twitter. Prepare yourself. Boy, how worried they were. Never seen any person more worried in my life. See, they use Facebook for studies and Amazon for buying textbooks, so why I am so cruel? I said: exactly my point. I was not that cruel though, but probably I should have.
        Dylan16807 4y ago
        > I said: exactly my point. They're both not government action, but they're very different kinds. There's a huge difference between "I will not assist this entity" and "I will stop other people from assisting this entity". Along similar lines, I am deeply upset with the level of power that payment processors have/use around censorship. But I don't care too much what AWS does.
        MikePlacid 4y ago
    - dekhn 4y ago
      No, that is not political censorship.
      - MikePlacid 4y ago
        cen·sorship /ˈsensərSHip/ noun 1. the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security.
        dekhn 4y ago
        thanks for the dictionary definition, Professor Placid
        MichaelCollins 4y ago
        Better than your ass-pulled definition, Professor Dekhn.
  - MikePlacid 4y ago
    My trigger was not Russia, it was de-platforming of Parler. I kinda care more about my life in the US and consider political de-platforming an extremely dangerous development. A “trigger” caused by my “living experience” as my son interprets it (but I think it’s more logical than that).
    - Aloha 4y ago
      The way I see it, Parler wasn't deplatformed. Parler could have rented a building, bought servers, racked and stacked those servers, networked them and gotten connectivity to the world. They didn't, they leased servers as a service from others, and then got burned when those services decided they were uncomfortable with the vitriolic anonymous speech being hosted on their hardware. Had they truly built their own platform, no one could have taken from them. (It'd be lots harder anyhow)
      - Manuel_D 4y ago
        Right, but the point remains: AWS kicked Parler off of their platform. It's fine to be of the opinion that AWS was in the right to do this, but your comment seems entirely contradictory: Your first sentence claims they weren't deplatformed, the rest of your comment explains how Parler should have built their own platform from the ground up after getting kicked off of AWS's platform.
      - Stupulous 4y ago
        And if their office building evicted them, they still wouldn't have been deplatformed because they could still buy some land and build their own office; it was their own fault for leasing office space as a service and getting burned. And if their ISP cut their access, they still wouldn't have been deplatformed because they could still start their own ISP; had they truly built their own platform, no ISP could have taken that from them. And if the power plant wouldn't give them electricity- okay I'll stop.
        Dylan16807 4y ago
        I don't think a power plant can refuse, and an ISP shouldn't be allowed to refuse. And I don't think it's that hard to get office space with a real contract?
  - AlfeG 4y ago
    Only when it's not. It's legal for AWS to have business with Russian entities. It's illegal to have business with occupied territories (LNR/DPR in particular). It's like You know. I have not suffered enough according to those sanctions. Lost a flat of my mother in my homeland. And now loss Amazon/IMBD accounts. Seems that I will be loosing my Google account soon.
- pessimizer 4y ago
  > It appears a lot of my impulse buying was caused by my trust in Amazon return policy :) Better to get it cheaper and less counterfeit/crappy the first time. Since delivery time from Amazon for non-Prime people has slowed to a crawl, it's a good motivator to discover best-in-class ecommerce sites rather than the mediocre-at-everything-but-sometimes-the-mediocre-thing-arrives-the-same-day-you-order-it site. Sites that aren't paying the price of Amazon marketing, or charging an Amazon premium, so usually the prices are better. You might find that you usually use Amazon 95% of the time for just a few classes of product, and you're better served buying those from three other sites and leaving the last 5% of spontaneous purchases for which you don't have a good source with Amazon.
- subsubzero 4y ago
  I've stopped using Amazon for years, but didn't know they did this? > AWS started political censorship
jandrese 4y ago
One gets the impression that the right hand doesn’t know what the left is doing in big corporations like this. They have probably never had to call their own tech support. It is easy to see how this could happen. AWS Sanctions compliance team: ok, the government says we need to shut down Russian accounts, so we will lock any account using a Russian payment method. False positives can just call tech support to prove that they are not bots and have the offending payment method replaced. Meanwhile over in support: Boss: remember it is corporate policy that a CSR may not make any changes to billing information for a customer’s account after the stolen cards incident.
- AlfeG 4y ago
  It's not Russian accounts. It's Ukraine account. My mother's home is located in occupied territory. Now Amazon consider that I'm affiliated with LNR. Russian accounts are not banned. If anyone interested.

by AlfeG 4y ago

MikePlacid 4y ago

I’ve stopped using Amazon after AWS started political censorship. Actually, saves you a lot of money: much less impulse buying. It appears a lot of my impulse buying was caused by my trust in Amazon return policy :)

briffle 4y ago
that is not political censorship, it is illegal for US businesses to do business with Russia because of sanctions. The sanctions themselves are political, but not following them is not a choice for US businesses.
- rjzzleep 4y ago
  The treasury has no business banning books. It has nothing to do with sanctions. It's purely political. Whatever happened to all the people shouting that "Republicans are banning books"? Banning books is okay, but only if it's for the right now?
- pentae 4y ago
  When they decided to terminate Parler not even giving them time to move hosts, that wasn't political censorship?
  - morby 4y ago
    There were extremists on the site making calls to violence. A *private* entity deciding they don’t want to do business with a company because of that is neither censorship as a society would consider it nor is it problematic. More people and businesses should be willing to refuse business to entities that seek to harass, abuse, or promote violence to another group of people. What you’re worried about is governmental action and is not equivalent here.
    - JacobThreeThree 4y ago
      >A private entity deciding they don’t want to do business with a company You mean like how OP decided not to do business with Amazon?
    - MikePlacid 4y ago
      Your logic is flawed on many levels, and I will be glad to parse the errors after I have my breakfast and nothing more important emerges. Just one point for now: > What you’re worried about is governmental action and is not equivalent here. My kids tried to point me in the same direction. I’ve just pointed them to the router and said: I am a private citizen paying for Internet connection in this house. In 24 hours this router will be configured to drop all connections to Amazon, Facebook and Twitter. Prepare yourself. Boy, how worried they were. Never seen any person more worried in my life. See, they use Facebook for studies and Amazon for buying textbooks, so why I am so cruel? I said: exactly my point. I was not that cruel though, but probably I should have.
      - Dylan16807 4y ago
        > I said: exactly my point. They're both not government action, but they're very different kinds. There's a huge difference between "I will not assist this entity" and "I will stop other people from assisting this entity". Along similar lines, I am deeply upset with the level of power that payment processors have/use around censorship. But I don't care too much what AWS does.
        MikePlacid 4y ago
  - dekhn 4y ago
    No, that is not political censorship.
    - MikePlacid 4y ago
      cen·sorship /ˈsensərSHip/ noun 1. the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security.
      - dekhn 4y ago
        thanks for the dictionary definition, Professor Placid
        MichaelCollins 4y ago
        Better than your ass-pulled definition, Professor Dekhn.
- MikePlacid 4y ago
  My trigger was not Russia, it was de-platforming of Parler. I kinda care more about my life in the US and consider political de-platforming an extremely dangerous development. A “trigger” caused by my “living experience” as my son interprets it (but I think it’s more logical than that).
  - Aloha 4y ago
    The way I see it, Parler wasn't deplatformed. Parler could have rented a building, bought servers, racked and stacked those servers, networked them and gotten connectivity to the world. They didn't, they leased servers as a service from others, and then got burned when those services decided they were uncomfortable with the vitriolic anonymous speech being hosted on their hardware. Had they truly built their own platform, no one could have taken from them. (It'd be lots harder anyhow)
    - Manuel_D 4y ago
      Right, but the point remains: AWS kicked Parler off of their platform. It's fine to be of the opinion that AWS was in the right to do this, but your comment seems entirely contradictory: Your first sentence claims they weren't deplatformed, the rest of your comment explains how Parler should have built their own platform from the ground up after getting kicked off of AWS's platform.
    - Stupulous 4y ago
      And if their office building evicted them, they still wouldn't have been deplatformed because they could still buy some land and build their own office; it was their own fault for leasing office space as a service and getting burned. And if their ISP cut their access, they still wouldn't have been deplatformed because they could still start their own ISP; had they truly built their own platform, no ISP could have taken that from them. And if the power plant wouldn't give them electricity- okay I'll stop.
      - Dylan16807 4y ago
        I don't think a power plant can refuse, and an ISP shouldn't be allowed to refuse. And I don't think it's that hard to get office space with a real contract?
- AlfeG 4y ago
  Only when it's not. It's legal for AWS to have business with Russian entities. It's illegal to have business with occupied territories (LNR/DPR in particular). It's like You know. I have not suffered enough according to those sanctions. Lost a flat of my mother in my homeland. And now loss Amazon/IMBD accounts. Seems that I will be loosing my Google account soon.
pessimizer 4y ago
> It appears a lot of my impulse buying was caused by my trust in Amazon return policy :) Better to get it cheaper and less counterfeit/crappy the first time. Since delivery time from Amazon for non-Prime people has slowed to a crawl, it's a good motivator to discover best-in-class ecommerce sites rather than the mediocre-at-everything-but-sometimes-the-mediocre-thing-arrives-the-same-day-you-order-it site. Sites that aren't paying the price of Amazon marketing, or charging an Amazon premium, so usually the prices are better. You might find that you usually use Amazon 95% of the time for just a few classes of product, and you're better served buying those from three other sites and leaving the last 5% of spontaneous purchases for which you don't have a good source with Amazon.
subsubzero 4y ago
I've stopped using Amazon for years, but didn't know they did this? > AWS started political censorship

jandrese 4y ago

One gets the impression that the right hand doesn’t know what the left is doing in big corporations like this. They have probably never had to call their own tech support. It is easy to see how this could happen. AWS Sanctions compliance team: ok, the government says we need to shut down Russian accounts, so we will lock any account using a Russian payment method. False positives can just call tech support to prove that they are not bots and have the offending payment method replaced. Meanwhile over in support: Boss: remember it is corporate policy that a CSR may not make any changes to billing information for a customer’s account after the stolen cards incident.

AlfeG 4y ago
It's not Russian accounts. It's Ukraine account. My mother's home is located in occupied territory. Now Amazon consider that I'm affiliated with LNR. Russian accounts are not banned. If anyone interested.