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> The company’s silence on the incident is a particularly dramatic reflection of a core dynamic in America’s new space race: The unspoken truth that human lives
by fayalargeau 4y ago
> The company’s silence on the incident is a particularly dramatic reflection of a core dynamic in America’s new space race: The unspoken truth that human lives are at play at every level.
???? Does a company need to make an announcement or public statement for every incident that occurs at work?
There are risks at every job. How is this even an article-worthy?
- TylerE 4y agoMaybe they should? Already most companies do the absolute least OSHA lets them get away with (and often not even that...)
- FL410 4y agoWhat do you expect them to do, especially considering legal and healthcare/PHI constraints?
- heavyset_go 4y agoSpaceX is not a covered entity under HIPAA, they are under no PHI constraints that healthcare providers are under.
- formerkrogemp 4y agoOver the decade I worked in retail and warehouses prior to becoming an accountant, I never once saw an OSHA inspector.
- dghlsakjg 4y agoMy impression is that OSHA tends to be reactive. Unless there was an incident or a report of unsafe activity you aren't going to see OSHA.
- fdgsdfogijq 4y agoIt gets clicks!
- limaoscarjuliet 4y agoAnd karma votes :-)
- johndfsgdgdfg 4y agoAnd satisfaction that you are one of those few people who not only care about human lives, also actively fights a billions of dollar worth megacorp.
- MichaelZuo 4y ago
- trollied 4y agoI'd imagine they're silent regarding it because 1) it's an active safety investigation 2) legal will be involved 3) it's frankly nobody else's business, seeing as it's a private business
- fasthands9 4y agoI mean #2 is obviously correct but that shouldn't make the public feel any better. Precisely because there are downsides (including legal and political) for announcing incidents they will only do so if they have to.
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago> that shouldn't make the public feel any better The incident was reported to a federal agency. I’m not sure I’d want my medical history publicly aired if I were injured at work.
- fasthands9 4y agohttps://www.gofundme.com/f/help-the-cabadas-during-this-difficult-times https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-the-cabadas-during-this-diff... The family started a public GoFundme page. I think its clear that it is in the interest of both the family and labor at large to get stories about workplace injuries to the public.
- elsonrodriguez 4y agoIt's interesting to note that the family has changed the main picture to remove any overt SpaceX references.
- giarc 4y ago>3) it's frankly nobody else's business, seeing as it's a private business It is however a private business taking public money. If a government was pumping millions of dollars into a company that was producing an unsafe work environment resulting in injury and death (not saying that is the case) but I think the public has a right to know.
- bell-cot 4y ago> There are risks at every job. How is this even an article-worthy? A sadly large % of the people reading news on-line have nearly forgotten that hazardous real-world jobs still exist. (Vs. office jobs where "fell and sprained wrist while getting out of an extra-comfy wheely chair" is just about the worst workplace injury they can imagine.) Also, it's SpaceX. Loads of construction, roofing, etc. workers get maimed & killed every year, and are barely worth a passing mention in the local paper.
- croes 4y agoIt's not about the number but about the reason. There is a difference if a job is dangerous and somebody gets hurt or dies despite compliance with all safety measures or if an accident happens because of safety violations.
- bell-cot 4y agoReasonable Assumption: A whole lot of the barely-covered injuries and deaths at various little tree-trimming, construction, roofing, etc. firms also involve safety violations.
- mabbo 4y agoBecause openness about failure is indicative of willingness to accept criticism. Doesn't mean they need to accept fault. Being completely silent on the matter gives the appearance that they are pretending it didn't happen, that they want no one asking questions about it.
- lazide 4y agoOr don’t want to provide meat for the legal meat grinder.
- foverzar 4y agoSo, this basically serves no real purpose, other than keeping appearances and sending proper signals to bored strangers on the internet, affecting nothing at all.
- s1artibartfast 4y agoWhat would be sufficient openness? What do you think they should be saying and to whom? Who should they be seeking and accepting criticism from? Should Space X proactively issue notice to the media and request for public feedback? Should they be emailing all employees details? Should Elon be posting on twitter for feedback?
- dredmorbius 4y agoAmong other standards, OSHA reporting requirements: <https://www.hseblog.com/osha-accident-reporting-requirements/ https://www.hseblog.com/osha-accident-reporting-requirements...>
- s1artibartfast 4y agoAre you seriously implying that they didn't? Someone claimed that they were insufficiently open and I'm asking what they should have done that they did not
- tester756 4y agoIf NASA would, then why SpaceX no?
- yreg 4y agoInternally they definitely should.
- chinabot 4y agoThe other dozen poor soles who probably died in work related accidents today don't count as they have nothing to do with Elon Musk.