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> Facebook integration They did make good on this. You can make Meta accounts with arbitrary emails and there's no connection to Facebook or real name stuff.

by jayd16 4y ago

ridgered4 4y ago
For now. Facebook didn't demand my phone number and a scan of my drivers license when I first signed up either.
tazjin 4y ago
You still have to deal with a complicated web of accounts and apps, converting your "Oculus" account to a "Horizon" account to unlink your Facebook from your Meta or whatever (who knows!). I have a Quest (1 and 2 actually, though the 1 is in storage) and I basically never use it anymore because I just can *not* be bothered to try and log in through its various apps again and install software updates in broken UIs with no progress indication etc. The only thing I use it for anymore is if somebody's over and wants to try VR, I let them to the tutorial demo and maybe play some Superhot (which hasn't broken for lack of updates ... yet!). Unfortunately streaming that to the TV via Chromecast from the app doesn't work anymore for Zuck knows what reason. Consumer tech is so hostile and frustrating, I really just can not deal with it anymore. Sorry for the rant.
- nomel 4y ago
  > I have a Quest (1 and 2 actually, though the 1 is in storage) and I basically never use it anymore because I just can not be bothered to try and log in through its various apps again Your knowledge and experience does not reflect current reality. Multiple logins haven't been required since the launch of the Quest 2. I didn't have a Quest 1, so I can't comment there. > You still have to deal with a complicated web of accounts and apps This is false. Only one account is needed. Sometimes individual apps will require a login, but that's exceedingly rare, or allows you to login with other devices, to the app, outside of the Quest ecosystem. This is not a fault of Meta, it's just the reality of third party credentials. I don't recall the last app I had to If you buy a headset now, you would make a Meta account that would be used for everything. That's it. If you had a Facebook account and are ok with continuing with the Facebook account, you're done. If you had a Facebook account and you want to convert it to a Meta account, you can choose to do this, then you're done. All three situations above use a single account for all apps, besides those that are meant to be accessible cross platform.
  - zht 4y ago
    just the fact that a cascading number of if statements is needed is a sign that it's too complex lol
    - nomel 4y ago
      I disagree, since a single user would only experience a single if statement.
      - tazjin 4y ago
        This is false. They evolve over time and you get pushed into various mandatory migration and linking/unlinking steps. By the way, this kind of thing is in no way particular to Facebook - our entire industry has this much disrespect for its users.
        nomel 4y ago
        With the current state, which appears to be stable (no more company acquisitions/name changes), they would experience one.
        tazjin 4y ago
        100% stable, all the way until the next company acquisition / name change / "An Update on Quest" / reorg. and so on.
        nomel 4y ago
        This isn't some unique Meta or VR. These are growing pains of new tech. This is what happens with all new tech. We'll see dozens of companies grow, die, and be acquired, and dozens of products change hands and disappear. This is the MO for all new tech that all of us are intimately familiar with. In this particular case, with this particular product and company, the churn has happened, and we should see some stability now. If you want complete stability, you're in the wrong line of work, and definitely on the wrong website. But there's no reason to be irrational about it.
- squeaky-clean 4y ago
  It was pretty simple for me to convert my Facebook account to a Meta only account. The first time I put on my headset after that change it asked if I wanted to unlink my facebook account and create a new account. I had to pick a new username and password, and re-enter my pairing code. But that was it. I was actually surprised it asked me.
q-big 4y ago
> They did make good on this. You can make Meta accounts with arbitrary emails and there's no connection to Facebook or real name stuff. Can you also use the Meta headsets without creating any account?
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jandrese 4y ago
I did this and they recently did something with the accounts (forcing you to get a metaverse account I think?) that turned into a massive headache. In the end I was only able to get it working again by creating a new account (or subaccount?) and redoing all of the Quest Link stuff. Even now it complains that my account isn't set up properly if I use the built-in store, although for now it is working. The whole thing is hugely confusing and the only point seemed to be to try to shove Metaverse down my throat. I do have to say that Quest Link over WiFi works amazingly well and lets you break out of the walled garden to get to the more interesting corners of VR. It also lets you run stuff that would be way too heavy for the mobile-phone level processor on the Quest. Only downside is the WiFi eats a lot of battery power, so one of those headbands with an extra battery is almost required, but since they improve the weight distribution of the headset it's not a terrible buy.
zem 4y ago
honestly, if you need an account at all it's still in internet-of-shit territory and could be unilaterally degraded at any time.
samatman 4y ago
A Facebook account is a Facebook account. They're a bad actor, having demonstrated this beyond a shadow of doubt. A sensible person would need a strong signal to believe they've switched to cooperating, and no such signal is evident.
- MikusR 4y ago
  And Quest doesn't require a Facebook account
  - anonymousab 4y ago
    A Meta account is a facebook account by another name. It's hard to trust any sort of _required_ account system that originates from their ecosystem these days.
  - samatman 4y ago
    It does, that's what I'm saying. It requires an account owned by Facebook. I don't do that company the courtesy of using their pretentious, bullshit, fake rebranding, out of disrespect.
sfvegandude 4y ago
Do you trust that Facebook has neither the capability nor the incentive to develop the capability to track you and combine all that data into a profile? I do not. Facebook has shadow profiles for people who don’t use the service.
- mensetmanusman 4y ago
  Facebook, and every advertiser, credit agency, etc.

> Facebook integration They did make good on this. You can make Meta accounts with arbitrary emails and there's no connection to Facebook or real name stuff.

by jayd16 4y ago

> Facebook integration They did make good on this. You can make Meta accounts with arbitrary emails and there's no connection to Facebook or real name stuff.

ridgered4 4y ago

For now. Facebook didn't demand my phone number and a scan of my drivers license when I first signed up either.

tazjin 4y ago

You still have to deal with a complicated web of accounts and apps, converting your "Oculus" account to a "Horizon" account to unlink your Facebook from your Meta or whatever (who knows!). I have a Quest (1 and 2 actually, though the 1 is in storage) and I basically never use it anymore because I just can *not* be bothered to try and log in through its various apps again and install software updates in broken UIs with no progress indication etc. The only thing I use it for anymore is if somebody's over and wants to try VR, I let them to the tutorial demo and maybe play some Superhot (which hasn't broken for lack of updates ... yet!). Unfortunately streaming that to the TV via Chromecast from the app doesn't work anymore for Zuck knows what reason. Consumer tech is so hostile and frustrating, I really just can not deal with it anymore. Sorry for the rant.

nomel 4y ago
> I have a Quest (1 and 2 actually, though the 1 is in storage) and I basically never use it anymore because I just can not be bothered to try and log in through its various apps again Your knowledge and experience does not reflect current reality. Multiple logins haven't been required since the launch of the Quest 2. I didn't have a Quest 1, so I can't comment there. > You still have to deal with a complicated web of accounts and apps This is false. Only one account is needed. Sometimes individual apps will require a login, but that's exceedingly rare, or allows you to login with other devices, to the app, outside of the Quest ecosystem. This is not a fault of Meta, it's just the reality of third party credentials. I don't recall the last app I had to If you buy a headset now, you would make a Meta account that would be used for everything. That's it. If you had a Facebook account and are ok with continuing with the Facebook account, you're done. If you had a Facebook account and you want to convert it to a Meta account, you can choose to do this, then you're done. All three situations above use a single account for all apps, besides those that are meant to be accessible cross platform.
- zht 4y ago
  just the fact that a cascading number of if statements is needed is a sign that it's too complex lol
  - nomel 4y ago
    I disagree, since a single user would only experience a single if statement.
    - tazjin 4y ago
      This is false. They evolve over time and you get pushed into various mandatory migration and linking/unlinking steps. By the way, this kind of thing is in no way particular to Facebook - our entire industry has this much disrespect for its users.
      - nomel 4y ago
        With the current state, which appears to be stable (no more company acquisitions/name changes), they would experience one.
        tazjin 4y ago
        100% stable, all the way until the next company acquisition / name change / "An Update on Quest" / reorg. and so on.
        nomel 4y ago
        This isn't some unique Meta or VR. These are growing pains of new tech. This is what happens with all new tech. We'll see dozens of companies grow, die, and be acquired, and dozens of products change hands and disappear. This is the MO for all new tech that all of us are intimately familiar with. In this particular case, with this particular product and company, the churn has happened, and we should see some stability now. If you want complete stability, you're in the wrong line of work, and definitely on the wrong website. But there's no reason to be irrational about it.
squeaky-clean 4y ago
It was pretty simple for me to convert my Facebook account to a Meta only account. The first time I put on my headset after that change it asked if I wanted to unlink my facebook account and create a new account. I had to pick a new username and password, and re-enter my pairing code. But that was it. I was actually surprised it asked me.

q-big 4y ago

> They did make good on this. You can make Meta accounts with arbitrary emails and there's no connection to Facebook or real name stuff. Can you also use the Meta headsets without creating any account?

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jandrese 4y ago

I did this and they recently did something with the accounts (forcing you to get a metaverse account I think?) that turned into a massive headache. In the end I was only able to get it working again by creating a new account (or subaccount?) and redoing all of the Quest Link stuff. Even now it complains that my account isn't set up properly if I use the built-in store, although for now it is working. The whole thing is hugely confusing and the only point seemed to be to try to shove Metaverse down my throat. I do have to say that Quest Link over WiFi works amazingly well and lets you break out of the walled garden to get to the more interesting corners of VR. It also lets you run stuff that would be way too heavy for the mobile-phone level processor on the Quest. Only downside is the WiFi eats a lot of battery power, so one of those headbands with an extra battery is almost required, but since they improve the weight distribution of the headset it's not a terrible buy.

zem 4y ago

honestly, if you need an account at all it's still in internet-of-shit territory and could be unilaterally degraded at any time.

samatman 4y ago

A Facebook account is a Facebook account. They're a bad actor, having demonstrated this beyond a shadow of doubt. A sensible person would need a strong signal to believe they've switched to cooperating, and no such signal is evident.

MikusR 4y ago
And Quest doesn't require a Facebook account
- anonymousab 4y ago
  A Meta account is a facebook account by another name. It's hard to trust any sort of _required_ account system that originates from their ecosystem these days.
- samatman 4y ago
  It does, that's what I'm saying. It requires an account owned by Facebook. I don't do that company the courtesy of using their pretentious, bullshit, fake rebranding, out of disrespect.

sfvegandude 4y ago

Do you trust that Facebook has neither the capability nor the incentive to develop the capability to track you and combine all that data into a profile? I do not. Facebook has shadow profiles for people who don’t use the service.

mensetmanusman 4y ago
Facebook, and every advertiser, credit agency, etc.