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That building, on the 6th floor, contains a gym with a two lane swimming pool. I visited when I moved to Kyiv, about two months ago, when I looking to find a p

That building, on the 6th floor, contains a gym with a two lane swimming pool. I visited when I moved to Kyiv, about two months ago, when I looking to find a pool. I can see the building from my apartment (I'm on the 15th floor). I heard the strikes, this morning, at about 9.30am, and saw the plume of smoke rising from the impact site. There were more strikes, about 30 minutes later, a lot further away, and out of sight, so I don't know where they were.

javajosh 4y ago
You moved to Kyiv 2 months ago?!
- exhilaration 4y ago
  I'm assuming he didn't move there from New York but another part of Ukraine. Kiev is relatively safe compared to parts closer to the front lines.
  - jmillikin 4y ago
    He moved from England: https://www.amazonredshiftresearchproject.org/slblog/2022-07.html#coming-to-kyiv https://www.amazonredshiftresearchproject.org/slblog/2022-07... > I have relocated to Kyiv, mainly because with what’s going > on I feel on an emotional level compelled to be here, to > stand against the horrors. > [...] > The route was Cambridge -> London -> Bruxelles > -> Köln -> Berlin -> Przemyśl (Polish border town) > -> Kyiv.
    - theow7384iri 4y ago
      I was in Odessa for holiday in July. Very cheap airbnb, but there was night lockdown and pubs were closing early. Also beaches were closed (mines) but nobody cared.
      - chinathrow 4y ago
        What was the reason to select Odessa at this time?
        theow7384iri 4y ago
        Sun and sea :) And also price. Greece, Croatia, Turkey etc were bloody expensive this summer. Odessa is just 3 hours by bus from Chisinau that has regular flights.
        prvit 4y ago
        Odessa is normally home to a great club scene too. The "Ibiza" club is easily one of the best in the world, regularly attracts top DJs like Black Coffee. The food scene isn't incredible, but pretty good for Eastern Europe. Dacha restaurant is excellent. The city itself is beautiful with heavy French vibes, and of course from an European point of view it's filled with very conventionally attractive people.
  - Max-Ganz-II 4y ago
    I lived in Gibraltar for a year, then went to Kyiv via England (catching up with friends and family before heading over).
- tut-urut-utut 4y ago
  Why not? Kiev was a safe place to live until the current escalation. For example, much safer than the city of Donetsk and other cities close to the front line which are under fire almost daily since the beginning of the operation, many of them since at least 8 years, though not at such intensity.
  - KptMarchewa 4y ago
    There was no point in shelling Kyiv before, while russia manufactured false flag attacks on Donetsk for a long long time.
    - tut-urut-utut 4y ago
      - orbital-decay 4y ago
        "Their own people"? (added later) For the context, I'm Russian. Right now, there's a refugee family from Mariupol (you know, that city in Donbass that got almost completely destroyed) living in one of my two flats. They lost all they had. They lived in a damp basement with nearly no food for a month and a half. They buried their neighbors personally, and also the school teacher of their kid. A marauder wannabe nearly shot them, and then his commander nearly did the same after they complained, for "lying about his soldiers". Their son lost a hand after a tank shell hit their home. If you're also in Russia, we can connect and you'll see them in person, to look the kid in the eye and tell him about the suffering of Donbass people.
      - KptMarchewa 4y ago
        >Do you really think they have been killing their own people for years Obviously yes. The whole Donbas war was started by FSB Colonel and bunch of irregular troops coming from russia. Russia's post-2014 strategy was to destroy Ukraine from inside, by prolonged conflict. This backfired, and Ukraine united instead of being divided, like before 2014 by russian agents like Medvedchuk or Yanukovych. >destroying their own pipelines and bridges Only relevant destruction of pipelines and bridges before 24.02 was done by retreating FSB led irregular russian troops in 2014. Or are you talking about Ukraine attacking valid military targets as crimean bridge now? https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1554869316935471105 https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1554869316935471105 >only to use it as an excuse to bomb infrastructure in the Ukraine? They mostly bomb civilian infrastructure and dwellings, not military one because their intelligence and precision missles sucks. >By that logic, I assume Russia will soon drop a nuclear bomb in Sankt Petersburg in order to have an excuse to continue their operation in the Ukraine. They will need to do stuff like this only if they continue to lose, not with nuclear or so. Russia and especially Putin is known for targeting it's own citizen to cause war frenzy - that's how he got elected and caused war, by bombing Moscow. Google "ryazan sugar".
- Max-Ganz-II 4y ago
  Yes, to help (economically - I have no military training) with the war.
keyle 4y ago
Oh man that sounds dreadful. The casualties at this time would have been disastrous if they couldn't WFH... And all civilians :(
techdragon 4y ago
I know some people probably got injured or died but I just cannot help but wonder about two things. First, did the damage drain the pool. Second, if it did drain out what does a large pool draining out the 6th floor of a building look like? Does it end up leaking out from all sides? Does it just leak into the building in a way that isn’t visible from the outside? Does it cascade out, leaking entirely from one side via some unlikely but structurally possible crack that sprays it all in the direction of one side of the building where there happened to be a damaged window… It’s by far the least important thing in the circumstances of this tragedy and my heart goes out to those affected by the important aspects of this strike. But I am simultaneously mesmerised by the how unlikely it is that you get a sudden and dramatic draining of a volume of water this big this high off the ground, I mean if you demolished a building you would drain the pool first, if you think the building might collapse you’ll drain the pool to remove extra load on the structure well before anything goes wrong… it’s just so unlikely that a full pool would be drained like this.
- cm2187 4y ago
  I would assume it would primarily go through the elevator shafts and emergency staircases. But water has a way to go through random paths. I live in a concrete building, a neighbour had a leak toward the center of the building, the water made its way through underneath the apartment floors and started pouring from the facade though I couldn’t see any opening.
- the_gipsy 4y ago
  this is really not the time, techdragon.
ncmncm 4y ago
Curious about what was where it actually hit. Seems pretty clear Samsung was not the target. Electrical substation "across the street" would be a probable target, but was missed. I.e., did it hit a plausibly intended target, or miss?
- Max-Ganz-II 4y ago
  I've blogged, here; https://www.amazonredshiftresearchproject.org/slblog/2022-10.html https://www.amazonredshiftresearchproject.org/slblog/2022-10... To my eye, the missile struck the roof of the low building next to the Samsung tower. The buildings there, as far as I know from looking at them, are light commerical - restaurants, shops, etc.
- Suzuran 4y ago
  All of Ukraine is the intended target.
- tomatotomato37 4y ago
  It's most certainly a miss. People have this weird perception due to all the modern propoganda with the tomahawk missile and such that military equipment is now 100% accurate and reliable. In reality these are still physical objects that are subject to mechanical failure/enemy action/entropy/whatever and the average failure rate is still such that you have to send a volley of 3 or 4 guided missiles downrange to absolutely guarantee a kill.
  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    > this weird perception due to all the modern propoganda with the tomahawk missile and such that military equipment is now 100% accurate and reliable The accuracy of Russian munitions has been demonstrably lower than NATO standard [1]. They’re also running low on good munitions, leading e.g. to land strikes by surface-to-air S-300s [2]. [1] https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/exclusive-us-assesses-up-60-failure-rate-some-russian-missiles-officials-say-2022-03-24/ https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/exclusive... [2] https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/britain-says-russia-has-increased-its-use-air-defence-missiles-2022-07-22/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/britain-says-russia-has...

javajosh 4y ago

You moved to Kyiv 2 months ago?!

exhilaration 4y ago
I'm assuming he didn't move there from New York but another part of Ukraine. Kiev is relatively safe compared to parts closer to the front lines.
- jmillikin 4y ago
  He moved from England: https://www.amazonredshiftresearchproject.org/slblog/2022-07.html#coming-to-kyiv https://www.amazonredshiftresearchproject.org/slblog/2022-07... > I have relocated to Kyiv, mainly because with what’s going > on I feel on an emotional level compelled to be here, to > stand against the horrors. > [...] > The route was Cambridge -> London -> Bruxelles > -> Köln -> Berlin -> Przemyśl (Polish border town) > -> Kyiv.
  - theow7384iri 4y ago
    I was in Odessa for holiday in July. Very cheap airbnb, but there was night lockdown and pubs were closing early. Also beaches were closed (mines) but nobody cared.
    - chinathrow 4y ago
      What was the reason to select Odessa at this time?
      - theow7384iri 4y ago
        Sun and sea :) And also price. Greece, Croatia, Turkey etc were bloody expensive this summer. Odessa is just 3 hours by bus from Chisinau that has regular flights.
        prvit 4y ago
        Odessa is normally home to a great club scene too. The "Ibiza" club is easily one of the best in the world, regularly attracts top DJs like Black Coffee. The food scene isn't incredible, but pretty good for Eastern Europe. Dacha restaurant is excellent. The city itself is beautiful with heavy French vibes, and of course from an European point of view it's filled with very conventionally attractive people.
- Max-Ganz-II 4y ago
  I lived in Gibraltar for a year, then went to Kyiv via England (catching up with friends and family before heading over).
tut-urut-utut 4y ago
Why not? Kiev was a safe place to live until the current escalation. For example, much safer than the city of Donetsk and other cities close to the front line which are under fire almost daily since the beginning of the operation, many of them since at least 8 years, though not at such intensity.
- KptMarchewa 4y ago
  There was no point in shelling Kyiv before, while russia manufactured false flag attacks on Donetsk for a long long time.
  - tut-urut-utut 4y ago
    - orbital-decay 4y ago
      "Their own people"? (added later) For the context, I'm Russian. Right now, there's a refugee family from Mariupol (you know, that city in Donbass that got almost completely destroyed) living in one of my two flats. They lost all they had. They lived in a damp basement with nearly no food for a month and a half. They buried their neighbors personally, and also the school teacher of their kid. A marauder wannabe nearly shot them, and then his commander nearly did the same after they complained, for "lying about his soldiers". Their son lost a hand after a tank shell hit their home. If you're also in Russia, we can connect and you'll see them in person, to look the kid in the eye and tell him about the suffering of Donbass people.
    - KptMarchewa 4y ago
      >Do you really think they have been killing their own people for years Obviously yes. The whole Donbas war was started by FSB Colonel and bunch of irregular troops coming from russia. Russia's post-2014 strategy was to destroy Ukraine from inside, by prolonged conflict. This backfired, and Ukraine united instead of being divided, like before 2014 by russian agents like Medvedchuk or Yanukovych. >destroying their own pipelines and bridges Only relevant destruction of pipelines and bridges before 24.02 was done by retreating FSB led irregular russian troops in 2014. Or are you talking about Ukraine attacking valid military targets as crimean bridge now? https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1554869316935471105 https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1554869316935471105 >only to use it as an excuse to bomb infrastructure in the Ukraine? They mostly bomb civilian infrastructure and dwellings, not military one because their intelligence and precision missles sucks. >By that logic, I assume Russia will soon drop a nuclear bomb in Sankt Petersburg in order to have an excuse to continue their operation in the Ukraine. They will need to do stuff like this only if they continue to lose, not with nuclear or so. Russia and especially Putin is known for targeting it's own citizen to cause war frenzy - that's how he got elected and caused war, by bombing Moscow. Google "ryazan sugar".
Max-Ganz-II 4y ago
Yes, to help (economically - I have no military training) with the war.

keyle 4y ago

Oh man that sounds dreadful. The casualties at this time would have been disastrous if they couldn't WFH... And all civilians :(

techdragon 4y ago

I know some people probably got injured or died but I just cannot help but wonder about two things. First, did the damage drain the pool. Second, if it did drain out what does a large pool draining out the 6th floor of a building look like? Does it end up leaking out from all sides? Does it just leak into the building in a way that isn’t visible from the outside? Does it cascade out, leaking entirely from one side via some unlikely but structurally possible crack that sprays it all in the direction of one side of the building where there happened to be a damaged window… It’s by far the least important thing in the circumstances of this tragedy and my heart goes out to those affected by the important aspects of this strike. But I am simultaneously mesmerised by the how unlikely it is that you get a sudden and dramatic draining of a volume of water this big this high off the ground, I mean if you demolished a building you would drain the pool first, if you think the building might collapse you’ll drain the pool to remove extra load on the structure well before anything goes wrong… it’s just so unlikely that a full pool would be drained like this.

cm2187 4y ago
I would assume it would primarily go through the elevator shafts and emergency staircases. But water has a way to go through random paths. I live in a concrete building, a neighbour had a leak toward the center of the building, the water made its way through underneath the apartment floors and started pouring from the facade though I couldn’t see any opening.
the_gipsy 4y ago
this is really not the time, techdragon.

ncmncm 4y ago

Curious about what was where it actually hit. Seems pretty clear Samsung was not the target. Electrical substation "across the street" would be a probable target, but was missed. I.e., did it hit a plausibly intended target, or miss?

Max-Ganz-II 4y ago
I've blogged, here; https://www.amazonredshiftresearchproject.org/slblog/2022-10.html https://www.amazonredshiftresearchproject.org/slblog/2022-10... To my eye, the missile struck the roof of the low building next to the Samsung tower. The buildings there, as far as I know from looking at them, are light commerical - restaurants, shops, etc.
Suzuran 4y ago
All of Ukraine is the intended target.
tomatotomato37 4y ago
It's most certainly a miss. People have this weird perception due to all the modern propoganda with the tomahawk missile and such that military equipment is now 100% accurate and reliable. In reality these are still physical objects that are subject to mechanical failure/enemy action/entropy/whatever and the average failure rate is still such that you have to send a volley of 3 or 4 guided missiles downrange to absolutely guarantee a kill.
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > this weird perception due to all the modern propoganda with the tomahawk missile and such that military equipment is now 100% accurate and reliable The accuracy of Russian munitions has been demonstrably lower than NATO standard [1]. They’re also running low on good munitions, leading e.g. to land strikes by surface-to-air S-300s [2]. [1] https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/exclusive-us-assesses-up-60-failure-rate-some-russian-missiles-officials-say-2022-03-24/ https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/exclusive... [2] https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/britain-says-russia-has-increased-its-use-air-defence-missiles-2022-07-22/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/britain-says-russia-has...