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AI’s Grandmaster Status Overshadows Chess Scandal
- renewiltord 4y agoArticle ended really suddenly! A smartphone can crush any human alive but I was just getting excited for the difference in methods or something.
- kokonoko 4y agoIf this article has a point, it fails to deliver it.
- stavros 4y ago"Computers are better than humans now. They weren't before. More articles for you: Water turns out to be wet."
- antisthenes 4y agoIf that's the only point the article was trying to make, then it's about 15 years late. Computers have been at 3000+ ELO on consumer hardware for a decade.
- stavros 4y agoYeah, it's not great.
- throwaway7055 4y agoApparently water isnt wet. It took me awhile to get over the wtf reaction. Basically because wetness is the ability of a liquid to coat, or soak into, a solid. and being wet is the state of being covered in a liquid. We're left with the surprising conclusion that unless we think of water as being water coated, or soaked in, more water its not wet. I'm open to having my mind changed on this as I find it a bit ridiculous and will continue to think of liquids as being wet
- stavros 4y agoWetness is a property of the liquid, not of the solid. So, a surface is wet because it has a liquid on it, but the liquid is always wet. It's like saying "blue things are things that are painted blue, but blue paint isn't painted blue, so it's not blue." Paint is the thing that makes the things blue, and is blue itself.
- Maursault 4y agoBut, in fact, blue paint is every other color but blue, which it reflects.
- stavros 4y agoYes, it's blue because it reflects blue.
- Maursault 4y agoTwisting of words there. Because it appears blue, conventionally we call it blue, even though the thing itself is anything but blue. That it appears blue ironically means it is not blue.
- stavros 4y agoOn the contrary, you're the one who's defining something being blue as the opposite of what it is. Things are the color they reflect, not the color they absorb. A thing that reflects blue is blue, how could it be otherwise?
- Maursault 4y agoThe things are not the color they reflect, in the same way your position does not include the ideas that you reject, and the rubber ball that reflects off a wall is not that wall itself. Things are the color that they are, whether perceptible or not, but the color that is reflected eliminates that possibility for the thing's actual color.
- hotpotamus 4y agoI think that this is an early canary of what ubiquitous A(G?)I would mean. Human chess is basically like riding a horse now - a quaint nod to older times.
- browningstreet 4y agoI disagree. We don’t ride horses the way we did before because we now have transport and cars and trucks. We still run and bike and gym. Sometimes to commute, and sometimes for fitness. Not everyone can be Usain Bolt, but the trails and tracks are full all week long.
- bluGill 4y ago> We don’t ride horses the way we did before There are more people riding horses than ever - it has become a hobby for the upper middle class, head to the exburbs of any US city and you will see lots of people who work in the city and come home to their horses every night. Back before cars oxen were preferred for most tasks needing animal power - they were stronger and ate less food. Where speed mattered though the horse was better. Of course before the car people walked unless they were disabled - the horse/oxen were for pulling cargo or the plow, but either way you walked behind (it wasn't unheard of for the wagon driver to lead the team, though often they would sit on the wagon). If you lived in a city (remember before tractors 95% of the population lived on a farm!) you probably didn't have any animal transport at all: they ate too much food. On the farm animal labor was useful, so if the farm could support it you would have it (many farms couldn't, and slaves were potentially more useful for the rest)
- dragontamer 4y agoDid people stop running in marathons when bicycles or cars were invented?
- zardo 4y agoI don't think people started running marathons until after bicycles and cars were invented.
- xrd 4y agoWhen SNL was good, they had a sketch about the "All-Drug Olympics," where drugging was not just ignored, but actively encouraged. When will chess become a competition where players are wired into conspicuous super computers? Imagine: electrodes rapidly shocking the players, and it won't be uncommon to see players dying from cardiac arrest right in the middle of the game. Niemann just needs to start a new league. Stephen King probably wrote a book about that, I suppose.
- Jevon23 4y agoThere would be no point in keeping the human players around. You may as well just watch the computers play each other (which some people already do, occasionally). We’ve long since passed the point where humans can improve on the moves suggested by computers. The optimal strategy would be to just play the computer’s recommended move every time.
- xrd 4y agoThe reason we watch sporting events is to watch a fallible human attempt to control their body or mind enough to best other humans attempting to do the same. No one will watch a competition between two self-driving identical Mazdas racing down the road.
- tuukkah 4y agoWhat kind of team work between a human and a machine would result in interesting chess? I hope it would reduce the need to study openings. Something simple to begin with: let computers play the odd moves and humans the even moves, without any communication. This way, the computer would need to play in a way that would make sense to their team mate.
- a4isms 4y agoThis is the format in a lot of tournaments where a pro is paired with an amateur. For example, in pairs snooker or pool, there are two ways to arrange pairs: Alternate innings and alternate strokes. With alternate strokes, the better player will not only execute their shot, they will arrange to leave a shot that their teammate can easily make. --- But all that being said, if such a game becomes popular, cheating will still be a thing as the team will always benefit from having the strongest possible human player.
- beardyw 4y ago> just to force the opponents out of “book.” I think that was happening 500 years ago. That change is subtle.
- pylua 4y agoWhat will happen when humans compete with chips implanted in their brain to augment intelligence ? Will there be categories for assisted and non assisted?
- jeffreyrogers 4y agoSeems like we're a long ways off from that giving a big enough improvement to matter.
- JackFr 4y agoI long for the day when the idea of enhancing cognitive ability with 'a chip implanted in the brain' is as quaintly amusing as starship captains using their slide rules to navigate.
- zwischenzug 4y ago> Still others raise an eyebrow at the large number of games he has played in recent years that get a score of nearly perfect from computer analysis. This has been debunked (just google it), and this confirms for me that this is very shallow journalism. It's also wrong - the charge was that his score was 'perfect' (100%) across too many games, not 'nearly perfect'.