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“Please be our voice” - Message from students at Sharif University of Technology

167 points by eternalban 4y ago

eternalban 4y ago
July 1999 background: https://www.middleeasteye.net/big-story/irans-1999-student-protests-hot-summer-shook-tehran https://www.middleeasteye.net/big-story/irans-1999-student-p...
- sacrosancty 4y ago
  March 1979 background: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_1979_Iranian_Islamic_Republic_referendum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_1979_Iranian_Islamic_Rep... Entire recent generations of Iranians are responsible for this. What did they expect when they voted for an Islamic republic? Sunshine lollipops and rainbows?
  - the_only_law 4y ago
    Yeah fuck those 20 year olds for not voting on a referendum that happened the year they were born.
    - sacrosancty 4y ago
      The previous generations who did vote.
  - rajman187 4y ago
    This is quite a distorted retelling of history. Nobody voted for the IR. There was a very powerful leftist movement (en vogue at the time, thanks in part to the USSR) that sought to remove the pro-west Shah and his perceived corruption. Sure there were grievances, like stifling of any political dissent by the secret police. Ultimately the movement was co-opted by fundamentalists as the leftists had gathered support from various groups but without clear ideas of what would replace the monarchy. And thus Khomeini returned from exile in France to claim the throne, turban rather than crown, and the rest is, as they say, history.
nevir 4y ago
Here's the relevant Reddit commit on the OP (might be a better link for the post) https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/xtwnvj/iran_says_waiting_for_us_to_unfreeze_7_billion/iqsq7iq/ https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/xtwnvj/iran_says... And for some more detail on what happened - plainclothes security forces (basij) surrounded students/professors at the university, have fired on them (rubber and real bullets?) have many of them trapped. "Iranian forces shoot at protesting students, lay siege to university" - https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/xtyias/iranian_forces_shoot_at_protesting_students_lay/ https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/xtyias/iranian_f...
- napmo 4y ago
  This is totally incorrect. Student basij is actually consists of students, and the clash was mostly between the students. The shooting claim is also completely false. Some of the students were arrested because of rioting.
  - eternalban 4y ago
    How many Basij attend Sharif again? Zero, right? So not a "student vs student". Also Sharif students carry books, basij chains, sticks, and other weapons. +I can start posting letters of professors demanding release of abducted -- "arrested" implies a sort of civilized police behavior, which is not applicable here -- students. > Some of the students were arrested because of rioting. Save it for the trials. In fact, if I were a beneficiary of "Islamic Republic" I would pray that there will be trials. You guys will reap the whirlwind. Mark my words.
    - eternalban 4y ago
      p.s. for time traveling visitors, this guy has been identified as one of the "student basij". This is the type of goons they send to attack students. https://nitter.net/pic/orig/media%2FFe0GZXnWYBMH6is.jpg https://nitter.net/pic/orig/media%2FFe0GZXnWYBMH6is.jpg
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nevir 4y ago
If you weren't aware of what's going on in Iran right now. Here's my TL;DR: * Iran's "morality police" beat a woman to death for improperly wearing a head scarf. * This has triggered a major uprising throughout the country - people are sick and tired of being oppressed by the regime there. * Which has led to widespread protests, with security forces responding with extreme force - mowing down protesters with assault weapons, using ambulances to sneak up on & capture protesters, using young kids as security forces, and a lot more. 100s / probably 1000s dead (hard to confirm). Steadily rising. * The regime has also cut off most internet access, which has made it extremely challenging for people to get word out The people of Iran could really use help building awareness of this, and getting some international pressure put on the regime that's in charge.
- nradov 4y ago
  Is the islamist regime responsive to international pressure? I hope the protesters succeed, but I think the Iranian people are going to have to work this one out by themselves.
  - bombcar 4y ago
    I’m not sure what additional pressure can be brought on Iran from the outside that isn’t already being applied - unless it’s delivered by an ICBM.
    - nonethewiser 4y ago
      China could join US sanctions.
      - bombcar 4y ago
        China would seem to care even less, but maybe we could get Russia to join in, too! And give everyone a pony.
    - the_only_law 4y ago
      I’m actually surprised we didn’t end up at war with them a few years back.
machina_ex_deus 4y ago
While I would be very happy to see the Iranian Islamic regime collapse, the current protests are pretty weak compared to the past. The oil price protests of 2019 reached higher destruction within two days than the whole current protests combined. They actually temporarily lost control of cities. They need something stronger to collapse their dictatorship. They probably need a real opposition leader. And more organized actions than sporadic protests. I don't see the current protests going anywhere. I'm not sure why are the downvotes? Truth is, getting crashed economically is almost always better protest motivation than women rights. Protests that threaten regimes are usually triggering desperate men. You're not getting regime change from hijab protests where economic desperation protests of bigger magnitudes failed.
- emilsedgh 4y ago
  This is not true. These protests are unique because: 1. For the first time, people are also willing to be violent against the regime. 2. This is more geographically distributed than previous ones. 3. It's distributed among all classes now. 4. It has been going the longest, despite the violence of the regime. I think this is definitely the first time since the Green Movement that the regime is really sensing existential threats. One thing to people watching the news: This is probably the biggest woman's rights movement in middle east history (or the world). I don't think Woman fought this hard for their freedoms anytime (Could be wrong though). Also probably the biggest secular movement in ME history. Source: Iranian, used to be part of the green movement, nowadays living in the US only with friends and family in Iran.
  - machina_ex_deus 4y ago
    I was following both protests. The Iranian regime is well trained at oppressing protests. 1. is factually incorrect. 2019 had them burning basij buildings. 2. also factually incorrect. 2019 as geographically spread as this one. 3. Incorrect. It's middle class this time. 2019 were lower class. 4. Also incorrect. At this point I suspect this is the first protest in Iran you ever noticed and you're just making stuff up. I agree that it's probably the biggest women rights protest in history. But historically, woman rights protests never ever led to regime change. You need desperate men and violence.
kbigdelysh 4y ago
I wonder what can be done. Will the situation be better If western countries start sending weapons to opposition and Iran becomes like Syria? I personally would love to see the Islamic government get abolished and replaced by a democratic freedom-loving liberal government. However the plans in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria didn't go well to this day.
- userbinator 4y ago
  I don't think the west should start getting involved... However the plans in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria didn't go well to this day. ...for this same reason.
- napmo 4y ago
  The west IS deeply involved: Decoding the Pentagon’s online war against Iran From a click of a button in the US to violence on the streets of Tehran, the latest protests in Iran are being engineered and provoked from outside https://thecradle.co/Article/analysis/16372 https://thecradle.co/Article/analysis/16372
  - vorpalhex 4y ago
    The Cradle is a foreign owned mouthpiece for IRGC interests. The author of this piece is a former writer for Sputnik. https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Kit_Klarenberg https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Kit_Klarenberg
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- mmddv 4y ago
- seer-zig 4y ago
  > democratic freedom-loving liberal government Name me one that exists. Let's not be naive.
midislack 4y ago
- honkler 4y ago
- nonethewiser 4y ago
  Crazy that this is happening and everyone just shrugs.
eternalban 4y ago
Hardi Partovi (@hadip) has updates: “The wife of a faculty member at the university in Iran watched her husband stand between the students & police. He was captured & told he was guilty of betraying Islamic law. He was beaten & shot dead as his wife hid in a car & watched.” https://nitter.net/hadip/status/1576747834035929089#m https://nitter.net/hadip/status/1576747834035929089#m - Firouz M. Naderi (@Firouz_Naderi): Can you imagine the US government sending armed guerrilla forces to Boston to surround Harvard and MIT and start killing students? Well, that is exactly what is going on in Tehran, Iran as I tweet this. The world media seems to be deaf and blind!! #دانشگاه_شریف #مهسا_امینی https://nitter.net/Firouz_Naderi/status/1576713744167469056#m https://nitter.net/Firouz_Naderi/status/1576713744167469056#...
- macintux 4y ago
  > Can you imagine the US government sending armed guerrilla forces to Boston to surround Harvard and MIT and start killing students? There were some dark times during the Trump administration when unmarked federal agents were sent to squash protests[1]. And of course long before that was Kent State[2]. So sadly the U.S. isn't as far removed from your hypothetical as I'd wish. 1: https://www.dw.com/en/us-donald-trump-slammed-for-using-unmarked-federal-agents-against-portland-protesters/a-54224419 https://www.dw.com/en/us-donald-trump-slammed-for-using-unma... 2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings
  - tenpies 4y ago
    What would be your preferred course of action when violent insurrectionists attack a Federal court house? https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/21/portland-riots-read-out-july-21 https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/21/portland-riots-read-out-...
    - macintux 4y ago
      Federal agents with no markings, grabbing people off the streets, without coordinating with local officials... how is that not dystopian?
throwaway34038 4y ago
anvic 4y ago
How odd... I entered this thread and my computer started emitting a faint green glow
eternalban 4y ago
Comprehensive account of what happened by the 'Islamic Association of Sharif Technical University' (@AnjomanSUT) [1], a student body organization (in Persian so machine translate as needed): https://nitter.net/AnjomanSUT/status/1576749979925766154 https://nitter.net/AnjomanSUT/status/1576749979925766154 [1]: in case you are wondering about where does this student association stands: https://nitter.net/AnjomanSUT/status/1576826703397425152#m https://nitter.net/AnjomanSUT/status/1576826703397425152#m "We utter the prayers for the dead ("fatiha") for this university, this ministry of education, and this regime." ~ one aside from all this (has nothing to do with Iran but everything to do with geeks, technology, and power): the report above says that the day before the security services installed new surveillance equipment all around the university. And as soon as the protests (entirely peaceful at that point) started, they grabbed 3 specific students. It is tragically ironic that people just like the students in Sharif had designed and built these systems for the people who enjoy lording it over others, which is now being used against them..

167 points by eternalban 4y ago

July 1999 background: https://www.middleeasteye.net/big-story/irans-1999-student-protests-hot-summer-shook-tehran https://www.middleeasteye.net/big-story/irans-1999-student-p...

sacrosancty 4y ago
March 1979 background: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_1979_Iranian_Islamic_Republic_referendum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_1979_Iranian_Islamic_Rep... Entire recent generations of Iranians are responsible for this. What did they expect when they voted for an Islamic republic? Sunshine lollipops and rainbows?
- the_only_law 4y ago
  Yeah fuck those 20 year olds for not voting on a referendum that happened the year they were born.
  - sacrosancty 4y ago
    The previous generations who did vote.
- rajman187 4y ago
  This is quite a distorted retelling of history. Nobody voted for the IR. There was a very powerful leftist movement (en vogue at the time, thanks in part to the USSR) that sought to remove the pro-west Shah and his perceived corruption. Sure there were grievances, like stifling of any political dissent by the secret police. Ultimately the movement was co-opted by fundamentalists as the leftists had gathered support from various groups but without clear ideas of what would replace the monarchy. And thus Khomeini returned from exile in France to claim the throne, turban rather than crown, and the rest is, as they say, history.

nevir 4y ago

Here's the relevant Reddit commit on the OP (might be a better link for the post) https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/xtwnvj/iran_says_waiting_for_us_to_unfreeze_7_billion/iqsq7iq/ https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/xtwnvj/iran_says... And for some more detail on what happened - plainclothes security forces (basij) surrounded students/professors at the university, have fired on them (rubber and real bullets?) have many of them trapped. "Iranian forces shoot at protesting students, lay siege to university" - https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/xtyias/iranian_forces_shoot_at_protesting_students_lay/ https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/xtyias/iranian_f...

napmo 4y ago
This is totally incorrect. Student basij is actually consists of students, and the clash was mostly between the students. The shooting claim is also completely false. Some of the students were arrested because of rioting.
- eternalban 4y ago
  How many Basij attend Sharif again? Zero, right? So not a "student vs student". Also Sharif students carry books, basij chains, sticks, and other weapons. +I can start posting letters of professors demanding release of abducted -- "arrested" implies a sort of civilized police behavior, which is not applicable here -- students. > Some of the students were arrested because of rioting. Save it for the trials. In fact, if I were a beneficiary of "Islamic Republic" I would pray that there will be trials. You guys will reap the whirlwind. Mark my words.
  - eternalban 4y ago
    p.s. for time traveling visitors, this guy has been identified as one of the "student basij". This is the type of goons they send to attack students. https://nitter.net/pic/orig/media%2FFe0GZXnWYBMH6is.jpg https://nitter.net/pic/orig/media%2FFe0GZXnWYBMH6is.jpg
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nevir 4y ago

If you weren't aware of what's going on in Iran right now. Here's my TL;DR: * Iran's "morality police" beat a woman to death for improperly wearing a head scarf. * This has triggered a major uprising throughout the country - people are sick and tired of being oppressed by the regime there. * Which has led to widespread protests, with security forces responding with extreme force - mowing down protesters with assault weapons, using ambulances to sneak up on & capture protesters, using young kids as security forces, and a lot more. 100s / probably 1000s dead (hard to confirm). Steadily rising. * The regime has also cut off most internet access, which has made it extremely challenging for people to get word out The people of Iran could really use help building awareness of this, and getting some international pressure put on the regime that's in charge.

nradov 4y ago
Is the islamist regime responsive to international pressure? I hope the protesters succeed, but I think the Iranian people are going to have to work this one out by themselves.
- bombcar 4y ago
  I’m not sure what additional pressure can be brought on Iran from the outside that isn’t already being applied - unless it’s delivered by an ICBM.
  - nonethewiser 4y ago
    China could join US sanctions.
    - bombcar 4y ago
      China would seem to care even less, but maybe we could get Russia to join in, too! And give everyone a pony.
  - the_only_law 4y ago
    I’m actually surprised we didn’t end up at war with them a few years back.

machina_ex_deus 4y ago

While I would be very happy to see the Iranian Islamic regime collapse, the current protests are pretty weak compared to the past. The oil price protests of 2019 reached higher destruction within two days than the whole current protests combined. They actually temporarily lost control of cities. They need something stronger to collapse their dictatorship. They probably need a real opposition leader. And more organized actions than sporadic protests. I don't see the current protests going anywhere. I'm not sure why are the downvotes? Truth is, getting crashed economically is almost always better protest motivation than women rights. Protests that threaten regimes are usually triggering desperate men. You're not getting regime change from hijab protests where economic desperation protests of bigger magnitudes failed.

emilsedgh 4y ago
This is not true. These protests are unique because: 1. For the first time, people are also willing to be violent against the regime. 2. This is more geographically distributed than previous ones. 3. It's distributed among all classes now. 4. It has been going the longest, despite the violence of the regime. I think this is definitely the first time since the Green Movement that the regime is really sensing existential threats. One thing to people watching the news: This is probably the biggest woman's rights movement in middle east history (or the world). I don't think Woman fought this hard for their freedoms anytime (Could be wrong though). Also probably the biggest secular movement in ME history. Source: Iranian, used to be part of the green movement, nowadays living in the US only with friends and family in Iran.
- machina_ex_deus 4y ago
  I was following both protests. The Iranian regime is well trained at oppressing protests. 1. is factually incorrect. 2019 had them burning basij buildings. 2. also factually incorrect. 2019 as geographically spread as this one. 3. Incorrect. It's middle class this time. 2019 were lower class. 4. Also incorrect. At this point I suspect this is the first protest in Iran you ever noticed and you're just making stuff up. I agree that it's probably the biggest women rights protest in history. But historically, woman rights protests never ever led to regime change. You need desperate men and violence.

kbigdelysh 4y ago

I wonder what can be done. Will the situation be better If western countries start sending weapons to opposition and Iran becomes like Syria? I personally would love to see the Islamic government get abolished and replaced by a democratic freedom-loving liberal government. However the plans in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria didn't go well to this day.

userbinator 4y ago
I don't think the west should start getting involved... However the plans in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria didn't go well to this day. ...for this same reason.
napmo 4y ago
The west IS deeply involved: Decoding the Pentagon’s online war against Iran From a click of a button in the US to violence on the streets of Tehran, the latest protests in Iran are being engineered and provoked from outside https://thecradle.co/Article/analysis/16372 https://thecradle.co/Article/analysis/16372
- vorpalhex 4y ago
  The Cradle is a foreign owned mouthpiece for IRGC interests. The author of this piece is a former writer for Sputnik. https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Kit_Klarenberg https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Kit_Klarenberg
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mmddv 4y ago
seer-zig 4y ago
> democratic freedom-loving liberal government Name me one that exists. Let's not be naive.

midislack 4y ago

honkler 4y ago
nonethewiser 4y ago
Crazy that this is happening and everyone just shrugs.

eternalban 4y ago

Hardi Partovi (@hadip) has updates: “The wife of a faculty member at the university in Iran watched her husband stand between the students & police. He was captured & told he was guilty of betraying Islamic law. He was beaten & shot dead as his wife hid in a car & watched.” https://nitter.net/hadip/status/1576747834035929089#m https://nitter.net/hadip/status/1576747834035929089#m - Firouz M. Naderi (@Firouz_Naderi): Can you imagine the US government sending armed guerrilla forces to Boston to surround Harvard and MIT and start killing students? Well, that is exactly what is going on in Tehran, Iran as I tweet this. The world media seems to be deaf and blind!! #دانشگاه_شریف #مهسا_امینی https://nitter.net/Firouz_Naderi/status/1576713744167469056#m https://nitter.net/Firouz_Naderi/status/1576713744167469056#...

macintux 4y ago
> Can you imagine the US government sending armed guerrilla forces to Boston to surround Harvard and MIT and start killing students? There were some dark times during the Trump administration when unmarked federal agents were sent to squash protests[1]. And of course long before that was Kent State[2]. So sadly the U.S. isn't as far removed from your hypothetical as I'd wish. 1: https://www.dw.com/en/us-donald-trump-slammed-for-using-unmarked-federal-agents-against-portland-protesters/a-54224419 https://www.dw.com/en/us-donald-trump-slammed-for-using-unma... 2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings
- tenpies 4y ago
  What would be your preferred course of action when violent insurrectionists attack a Federal court house? https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/21/portland-riots-read-out-july-21 https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/21/portland-riots-read-out-...
  - macintux 4y ago
    Federal agents with no markings, grabbing people off the streets, without coordinating with local officials... how is that not dystopian?

throwaway34038 4y ago

anvic 4y ago

How odd... I entered this thread and my computer started emitting a faint green glow

eternalban 4y ago

Comprehensive account of what happened by the 'Islamic Association of Sharif Technical University' (@AnjomanSUT) [1], a student body organization (in Persian so machine translate as needed): https://nitter.net/AnjomanSUT/status/1576749979925766154 https://nitter.net/AnjomanSUT/status/1576749979925766154 [1]: in case you are wondering about where does this student association stands: https://nitter.net/AnjomanSUT/status/1576826703397425152#m https://nitter.net/AnjomanSUT/status/1576826703397425152#m "We utter the prayers for the dead ("fatiha") for this university, this ministry of education, and this regime." ~ one aside from all this (has nothing to do with Iran but everything to do with geeks, technology, and power): the report above says that the day before the security services installed new surveillance equipment all around the university. And as soon as the protests (entirely peaceful at that point) started, they grabbed 3 specific students. It is tragically ironic that people just like the students in Sharif had designed and built these systems for the people who enjoy lording it over others, which is now being used against them..