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> they’ve been known to rescind someone rescinding their citizenship I'm trying to figure out what you mean here, and wondering if you have a typo. Would you p

> they’ve been known to rescind someone rescinding their citizenship I'm trying to figure out what you mean here, and wondering if you have a typo. Would you please elaborate?

mvid 4y ago
My take is that even if you rescind your Chinese citizenship, the CCP can choose to un-rescind it, re-exposing you to Chinese authority.
- nonethewiser 4y ago
  ... but this just give you dual citizenship.
  - zdragnar 4y ago
    That doesn't help you if they have you in China and keep you from getting access to an embassy. Dual citizenship only helps if they actually recognize it, or your host country learns of your plight- neither of which are the case here.
    - lupire 4y ago
      *home country. Host country is the one persecuting.
      - zdragnar 4y ago
        This might just be my own strange way of thinking. I haven't actual lived in my parents house in decades, and yet when I go there to visit them I still think of it as "going home". In the case above, I assume we are talking about people born in China, who have left to live in another country, and are then involuntarily returned to China. In my head, China is still the home country. All of that said, having read your comment, I just now realized that is and uncommon understanding of the words. Your interpretation is certainly closer to the emotional meaning of them for the people involved.
  - NovemberWhiskey 4y ago
    Generally speaking, if you are a citizen of country X and you are in country X accused of violating the laws of country X then any citizenship of country Y that you might have is irrelevant.
    - lupire 4y ago
      It's true even if you aren't a citizen of X. Griner isn't escaping prison by not being a Russian citizen. Neither are all the kidnapped Ukrainian children.
      - NovemberWhiskey 4y ago
        OK, but Griner at least receives consular assistance from the US government - she wouldn't even get that if she were a Russian dual-national.
- kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 4y ago
  And then they can "persuade" you to return to China, where they don't recognize your dual citizenship.
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seanmcdirmid 4y ago
This case: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/25/gui-minhai-detained-hong-kong-bookseller-jailed-for-10-years-in-china https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/25/gui-minhai-det... > The court in Ningbo acknowledged Gui had become Swedish in the 1990s but added that he had applied to restore his Chinese citizenship in 2018. China does not recognise dual citizenship and restoring his Chinese passport may have been a way to block Swedish diplomats from visiting him, observers said. That was after he was detained (china kidnapped him in Thailand).
- aix1 4y ago
  > they’ve been known to rescind someone rescinding their citizenship ... > he had applied to restore his Chinese citizenship in 2018 Unless I'm misreading this, or if the latter claim is false, these are two very different scenarios, no?
  - rippercushions 4y ago
    Gui was kidnapped in 2015, so his "application" to restore Chinese citizenship in 2018 was almost certainly not exactly voluntary.

> they’ve been known to rescind someone rescinding their citizenship I'm trying to figure out what you mean here, and wondering if you have a typo. Would you please elaborate?

mvid 4y ago

My take is that even if you rescind your Chinese citizenship, the CCP can choose to un-rescind it, re-exposing you to Chinese authority.

nonethewiser 4y ago
... but this just give you dual citizenship.
- zdragnar 4y ago
  That doesn't help you if they have you in China and keep you from getting access to an embassy. Dual citizenship only helps if they actually recognize it, or your host country learns of your plight- neither of which are the case here.
  - lupire 4y ago
    *home country. Host country is the one persecuting.
    - zdragnar 4y ago
      This might just be my own strange way of thinking. I haven't actual lived in my parents house in decades, and yet when I go there to visit them I still think of it as "going home". In the case above, I assume we are talking about people born in China, who have left to live in another country, and are then involuntarily returned to China. In my head, China is still the home country. All of that said, having read your comment, I just now realized that is and uncommon understanding of the words. Your interpretation is certainly closer to the emotional meaning of them for the people involved.
- NovemberWhiskey 4y ago
  Generally speaking, if you are a citizen of country X and you are in country X accused of violating the laws of country X then any citizenship of country Y that you might have is irrelevant.
  - lupire 4y ago
    It's true even if you aren't a citizen of X. Griner isn't escaping prison by not being a Russian citizen. Neither are all the kidnapped Ukrainian children.
    - NovemberWhiskey 4y ago
      OK, but Griner at least receives consular assistance from the US government - she wouldn't even get that if she were a Russian dual-national.
kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 4y ago
And then they can "persuade" you to return to China, where they don't recognize your dual citizenship.

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seanmcdirmid 4y ago

This case: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/25/gui-minhai-detained-hong-kong-bookseller-jailed-for-10-years-in-china https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/25/gui-minhai-det... > The court in Ningbo acknowledged Gui had become Swedish in the 1990s but added that he had applied to restore his Chinese citizenship in 2018. China does not recognise dual citizenship and restoring his Chinese passport may have been a way to block Swedish diplomats from visiting him, observers said. That was after he was detained (china kidnapped him in Thailand).

aix1 4y ago
> they’ve been known to rescind someone rescinding their citizenship ... > he had applied to restore his Chinese citizenship in 2018 Unless I'm misreading this, or if the latter claim is false, these are two very different scenarios, no?
- rippercushions 4y ago
  Gui was kidnapped in 2015, so his "application" to restore Chinese citizenship in 2018 was almost certainly not exactly voluntary.