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One thing it teaches us is that meat & animal products, especially fat, has been a central part of the diet for most of our ancestral tribal cultures. Since da

One thing it teaches us is that meat & animal products, especially fat, has been a central part of the diet for most of our ancestral tribal cultures. Since dairy, meat and animal fats are being vilified at the moment by the modern nutritional zeitgeist. It might be worth being skeptical of such a strong rejection of these food categories. Especially since we can't figure out the root causes of certain modern diseases as autoimmune, extreme rise in cancers, neurological and heart disease.

dividedbyzero 4y ago
A large part from that is due to the abhorrent conditions that most meat is produced in and the fact that (IIRC) livestock amounts to 15 times the biomass of all wild mammals combined right now. If you tally up land used to feed livestock and all the other side effects of the meat industry, it doesn't look very sustainable to me. It's kinda hard to have almost 8 billion people live like hunter gatherers I guess.
- jiggywiggy 4y ago
  I agree the situation in many stables is abhorrent. However. Online im able to get meat from "wild" cows who roam free in certain "nature" areas.
  - dividedbyzero 4y ago
    Imagine trying to scale this sort of thing so it can serve everyone instead of a narrow affluent slice of the most affluent societies.
    - Slava_Propanei 4y ago
      It sounds like scale is the problem.
    - Amezarak 4y ago
      I eat grass-fed local cows and its almost half the price per lb as regular ground beef at Walmart, and obviously includes every cut there is. We probably need to increase the number of farms and farmers, and decentralize agriculture. Bonus side effect: it’s more resilient to shocks like Covid taking out a few meat packing plants or a natural disaster taking out the massive Smithfield facility in Virginia.
hombre_fatal 4y ago
Having consumed something for a long time doesn’t mean that thing fits our health goals today. e.g. saturated fat contributes to heart disease but didn’t stop us from reproducing.
- jiggywiggy 4y ago
  There is no evidence that it causes heart disease: "Collectively, neither observational studies, prospective epidemiologic cohort studies, RCTs, systematic reviews and meta analyses have conclusively established a significant association between SFA in the diet and subsequent cardiovascular risk and CAD, MI or mortality nor a benefit of reducing dietary SFAs on CVD rick, events and mortality. Beneficial effects of replacement of SFA by polyunsaturated or monounsaturated fat or carbohydrates remain elusive. " See study: https://academic.oup.com/eurjpc/advance-article-abstract/doi/10.1093/eurjpc/zwac194/6691821?login=false https://academic.oup.com/eurjpc/advance-article-abstract/doi... The point is. There are certain diseases much more prevelant now than in these tribal cultures. Why is that? Less exposure to parasites, food, movement, exposure to chemicals?
  - hombre_fatal 4y ago
    He’s a short video takedown of that paper: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBFe1QattAU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBFe1QattAU
- nradov 4y ago
  The best evidence we have now is that sugar consumption is a far worse risk factor for heart disease than saturated fat. The amount of saturated fat in your bloodstream has little relation to the amount you eat. https://peterattiamd.com/donlayman/ https://peterattiamd.com/donlayman/
- imtringued 4y ago
  A US president succumbed to smoking induced heart attacks but the tobacco industry can't be the culprit right? Nah, it must have been a human staple that humans consumed for thousands of years. We should instead eat food that was only readily available for 300 years and only that.

dividedbyzero 4y ago

A large part from that is due to the abhorrent conditions that most meat is produced in and the fact that (IIRC) livestock amounts to 15 times the biomass of all wild mammals combined right now. If you tally up land used to feed livestock and all the other side effects of the meat industry, it doesn't look very sustainable to me. It's kinda hard to have almost 8 billion people live like hunter gatherers I guess.

jiggywiggy 4y ago
I agree the situation in many stables is abhorrent. However. Online im able to get meat from "wild" cows who roam free in certain "nature" areas.
- dividedbyzero 4y ago
  Imagine trying to scale this sort of thing so it can serve everyone instead of a narrow affluent slice of the most affluent societies.
  - Slava_Propanei 4y ago
    It sounds like scale is the problem.
  - Amezarak 4y ago
    I eat grass-fed local cows and its almost half the price per lb as regular ground beef at Walmart, and obviously includes every cut there is. We probably need to increase the number of farms and farmers, and decentralize agriculture. Bonus side effect: it’s more resilient to shocks like Covid taking out a few meat packing plants or a natural disaster taking out the massive Smithfield facility in Virginia.

hombre_fatal 4y ago

Having consumed something for a long time doesn’t mean that thing fits our health goals today. e.g. saturated fat contributes to heart disease but didn’t stop us from reproducing.

jiggywiggy 4y ago
There is no evidence that it causes heart disease: "Collectively, neither observational studies, prospective epidemiologic cohort studies, RCTs, systematic reviews and meta analyses have conclusively established a significant association between SFA in the diet and subsequent cardiovascular risk and CAD, MI or mortality nor a benefit of reducing dietary SFAs on CVD rick, events and mortality. Beneficial effects of replacement of SFA by polyunsaturated or monounsaturated fat or carbohydrates remain elusive. " See study: https://academic.oup.com/eurjpc/advance-article-abstract/doi/10.1093/eurjpc/zwac194/6691821?login=false https://academic.oup.com/eurjpc/advance-article-abstract/doi... The point is. There are certain diseases much more prevelant now than in these tribal cultures. Why is that? Less exposure to parasites, food, movement, exposure to chemicals?
- hombre_fatal 4y ago
  He’s a short video takedown of that paper: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBFe1QattAU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBFe1QattAU
nradov 4y ago
The best evidence we have now is that sugar consumption is a far worse risk factor for heart disease than saturated fat. The amount of saturated fat in your bloodstream has little relation to the amount you eat. https://peterattiamd.com/donlayman/ https://peterattiamd.com/donlayman/
imtringued 4y ago
A US president succumbed to smoking induced heart attacks but the tobacco industry can't be the culprit right? Nah, it must have been a human staple that humans consumed for thousands of years. We should instead eat food that was only readily available for 300 years and only that.