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You beat Cyberpunk in 2 hours?!

by JoeOfTexas 4y ago

ok_dad 4y ago
They offered refunds for it well after two hours because it was a disaster
- bitL 4y ago
  Cyberpunk was pretty rad, but after trying all endings I learned about the secret one for which I didn't qualify due to different choices in some early dialogue with Johnny far before ending, which soured the overall experience for me...
  - thrwyoilarticle 4y ago
    I actually really dislike this sentiment. Gamers being upset they can't access secret content on a first, blind playthrough means that developers are incentivised not to include secret content. It seems inconsistent to complain about needing outside knowledge to find something when the only reason you know about it is from outside knowledge. There can be joy in going in fully-blind and there can be joy in following a guide like a list of chores but the no-man's land in-between leads only to disappointment and spoilers. (this is also why I don't watch movie trailers or read book blurbs)
    - mattnewton 4y ago
      To be fair, the way the secret content is "discoverable" involves a very specific sequence of choices in a single conversation that you cannot go back and re-make without undoing a lot of game progression. Old games didn't have the same kind of progression, and new games are generally more forgiving about post-game exploration of all the content in the game. The game also has misleading affordances that give the impression that your relationship with this character is built up over several conversations, when actually only this one specific sequence in one conversation is known to work. So, I don't think it's bad because the content is hard to discover without outside knowledge, it's bad because it's both hard to discover and impossible to fix once you have progressed past that point. It's not like being able to just rewatch part of a film or re read a book chapter to get a reference. You basically have to reload an old save, go through a decision sequence, and then replay the entire last third of the game until you have access to a final playable level, and the way it's implemented feels like it was very much slapped in to take the place of a johnny-friendship-meter mechanic that appears mostly broken outside that one conversation.
      - hprotagonist 4y ago
        The King’s Quest design aesthetic. it sucked then, too.
        Dylan16807 4y ago
        But King's Quest is a lot faster to go through on a new run.
        hprotagonist 4y ago
        that’s a depressing thought.
    - bitL 4y ago
      I finished all main/side missions and gigs, let Johnny take over whenever he wanted and then went through all reachable ending combinations (8 different endings, even if slightly) and then I learned there is a secret ending considered the best of them all which was denied to me due to some obscure choice early. So no wonder it left a sour taste.
  - Matthias247 4y ago
    This seems common to a lot of games, and aims for increasing the replay value. I personally also don't like it, because I am absolutely not motivated to play through tens to hundreds of hours again and also don't have time for it. But it's still ok for me - I'll just watch whatever 30 minutes of end scene I missed on youtube if I'm interested in that.
  - staticman2 4y ago
    I had the same issue except it was pretty trivial to mod the game on PC so I could do that secret ending.
    - bitL 4y ago
      Thanks for the tip, I'll look if there is a mod doing it that has not been patched yet...
yreg 4y ago
I guess they refer to CDPR comitting to refunding everyone who's not happy with the game.[1] Interesting that Steam had no issue fulfilling that promise since they loose out on it as well. Also sounds like a bit shit thing to do after completing the entire game. [1] https://twitter.com/CyberpunkGame/status/1340013516628103170 https://twitter.com/CyberpunkGame/status/1340013516628103170
- IntelMiner 4y ago
  Yeah I got the "bad" ending for not spending enough time with Keanu Reeves The game was so unbelievably broken I just wanted to see out the end and be done with it
- justsomehnguy 4y ago
  > Steam had no issue fulfilling that promise since they loose out on it as well That would undermine them as a platform and that would make them loose more than a revenue from one title.
  - yreg 4y ago
    App Store doesn't let developers refund their customers and it does just fine. Granted, they are the de-facto monopoly, but this specific policy is seldom criticised.
    - masklinn 4y ago
      It’s also a very different populations with different expectations.
IntelMiner 4y ago
37.5 hours according to my Steam review https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197998185123/recommended/1091500?snr=1_5_9__402 https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197998185123/recomm... I can't link to it since it's an internal page. But I have a record of my purchase and refund from Steam support here, too https://i.imgur.com/TvIuFEi.png https://i.imgur.com/TvIuFEi.png
- __david__ 4y ago
  Sounds like you just mainlined it? I just finished up the last Gig (minor sidequest) and I have 110 hours in it…
- deleted 4y ago
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You beat Cyberpunk in 2 hours?!

ok_dad 4y ago

They offered refunds for it well after two hours because it was a disaster

bitL 4y ago
Cyberpunk was pretty rad, but after trying all endings I learned about the secret one for which I didn't qualify due to different choices in some early dialogue with Johnny far before ending, which soured the overall experience for me...
- thrwyoilarticle 4y ago
  I actually really dislike this sentiment. Gamers being upset they can't access secret content on a first, blind playthrough means that developers are incentivised not to include secret content. It seems inconsistent to complain about needing outside knowledge to find something when the only reason you know about it is from outside knowledge. There can be joy in going in fully-blind and there can be joy in following a guide like a list of chores but the no-man's land in-between leads only to disappointment and spoilers. (this is also why I don't watch movie trailers or read book blurbs)
  - mattnewton 4y ago
    To be fair, the way the secret content is "discoverable" involves a very specific sequence of choices in a single conversation that you cannot go back and re-make without undoing a lot of game progression. Old games didn't have the same kind of progression, and new games are generally more forgiving about post-game exploration of all the content in the game. The game also has misleading affordances that give the impression that your relationship with this character is built up over several conversations, when actually only this one specific sequence in one conversation is known to work. So, I don't think it's bad because the content is hard to discover without outside knowledge, it's bad because it's both hard to discover and impossible to fix once you have progressed past that point. It's not like being able to just rewatch part of a film or re read a book chapter to get a reference. You basically have to reload an old save, go through a decision sequence, and then replay the entire last third of the game until you have access to a final playable level, and the way it's implemented feels like it was very much slapped in to take the place of a johnny-friendship-meter mechanic that appears mostly broken outside that one conversation.
    - hprotagonist 4y ago
      The King’s Quest design aesthetic. it sucked then, too.
      - Dylan16807 4y ago
        But King's Quest is a lot faster to go through on a new run.
        hprotagonist 4y ago
        that’s a depressing thought.
  - bitL 4y ago
    I finished all main/side missions and gigs, let Johnny take over whenever he wanted and then went through all reachable ending combinations (8 different endings, even if slightly) and then I learned there is a secret ending considered the best of them all which was denied to me due to some obscure choice early. So no wonder it left a sour taste.
- Matthias247 4y ago
  This seems common to a lot of games, and aims for increasing the replay value. I personally also don't like it, because I am absolutely not motivated to play through tens to hundreds of hours again and also don't have time for it. But it's still ok for me - I'll just watch whatever 30 minutes of end scene I missed on youtube if I'm interested in that.
- staticman2 4y ago
  I had the same issue except it was pretty trivial to mod the game on PC so I could do that secret ending.
  - bitL 4y ago
    Thanks for the tip, I'll look if there is a mod doing it that has not been patched yet...

yreg 4y ago

I guess they refer to CDPR comitting to refunding everyone who's not happy with the game.[1] Interesting that Steam had no issue fulfilling that promise since they loose out on it as well. Also sounds like a bit shit thing to do after completing the entire game. [1] https://twitter.com/CyberpunkGame/status/1340013516628103170 https://twitter.com/CyberpunkGame/status/1340013516628103170

IntelMiner 4y ago
Yeah I got the "bad" ending for not spending enough time with Keanu Reeves The game was so unbelievably broken I just wanted to see out the end and be done with it
justsomehnguy 4y ago
> Steam had no issue fulfilling that promise since they loose out on it as well That would undermine them as a platform and that would make them loose more than a revenue from one title.
- yreg 4y ago
  App Store doesn't let developers refund their customers and it does just fine. Granted, they are the de-facto monopoly, but this specific policy is seldom criticised.
  - masklinn 4y ago
    It’s also a very different populations with different expectations.

IntelMiner 4y ago

37.5 hours according to my Steam review https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197998185123/recommended/1091500?snr=1_5_9__402 https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197998185123/recomm... I can't link to it since it's an internal page. But I have a record of my purchase and refund from Steam support here, too https://i.imgur.com/TvIuFEi.png https://i.imgur.com/TvIuFEi.png

__david__ 4y ago
Sounds like you just mainlined it? I just finished up the last Gig (minor sidequest) and I have 110 hours in it…
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