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It's almost as if OpenAI got the right idea at the beginning but sometime somewhere maybe in a meeting room, contrary to their initial openness goals they decid

• fennecfoxy 4y ago
  Eh tbh I think it's directly related to the way that they decided to handle GPT and its iterations; they were worried that GPT would be used by bots to better spam the entire Internet, and to be honest they're right. I'm guessing that worry translated to image generation as well. It's a Pandora's box thing I guess.
• minimaxir 4y ago
  > IMHO giving a prompt to generate image is amazing but isn't a product because you can't actually produce useful stuff Making art/weird pictures doesn't have to be useful, as that use case is the entire reason MJ/SD went viral.
  • npunt 4y ago
    Indeed, "it's just a toy" is often the place these things start
  • hugozap 4y ago
    True, but if you can't integrate it into your workflow it will stay as a toy (and that's ok)
    • cbozeman 4y ago
      People are already integrating it into their workflows. The inpainting plugins with Photoshop and Krita are already working absolute wonders.
      • Applejinx 4y ago
        Krita, eh? I'm not going to use Photoshop.
    • nodja 4y ago
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rA4Ny-QQfg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rA4Ny-QQfg
    • lbotos 4y ago
      Not sure if you've seen, but the person you are replying to wrote a blog post recently on their experiences of "getting stable output": https://minimaxir.com/2022/09/stable-diffusion-ugly-sonic/ https://minimaxir.com/2022/09/stable-diffusion-ugly-sonic/
  • mrtksn 4y ago
    It is not art and art is useful(we can disagree on what's art, the age old question). MidJourney and others are actually useful for exploration but the outputs are not because they can't spit finished deliverables to the specs. No one is paying for a picture of Mermaid eating marmalade, trending on art station, beautiful face, sharp focus, octane 8k. They are great for exploration, it's just that I don't believe this is the killer app for these tools. We will find out what's the killer app with Stable Diffusion because with Stable Diffusion people can experiment beyond entering some prompts.
    • danielbln 4y ago
      Training your own likeness into the stable diffusion (via dreambooth) and then using it is absolutely hypnotic.
    • TulliusCicero 4y ago
      There are situations where that kind of art is useful though. People have pointed out that it could work just fine for art for card games like Magic. Probably a lot of board games too.
      • mrtksn 4y ago
        Sure, some people can find it useful but IMHO that's not a product, at least a good one. Consider how much more universally useful are other products like Photoshop or Blender. I think a major problem is reproducibility and output controllability. Rolling the dice multiple time and using some of the outputs is not good enough for most applications. Maybe this can be solved at some point but it's not at this moment. The advantage of Stable Diffusion is that it can be possible for someone to implement it, with OpenAI this feature doesn't exist and its not useful until they implement it.
        • TulliusCicero 4y ago
          > Sure, some people can find it useful but IMHO that's not a product, at least a good one. It's the start of a product, but it's going to keep improving. Already with inpainting and outpainting we see some new possible uses. What NovelAI (which builds on Stable Diffusion) has shown so far of their upcoming release seems impressive, though it's hard to say how much of that is cherry picking. > Rolling the dice multiple time and using some of the outputs is not good enough for most applications. Hmm, is that true? I feel like most of the time art that companies want is something made far ahead of the consumer seeing it, so generating a 100 versions of something and picking the best seems fine, especially if you can then use inpainting and img2img to fine-tune it.
  • UncleEntity 4y ago
    100% unusefull but is seriously addictive…
• JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > OpenAI rushed into monetisation and control before having a killer app They also went for B2B first. Which is weird. Why not parallel a B2C app? It could be a subscription or packs of drawings. It would generate buzz and give useful data on the sorts of things real people type into these systems. I
  • bombcar 4y ago
    They thought too many of the B2B customers would just use the B2C app is what I would guess, but there are ways to limit that.
• Uehreka 4y ago
  >contrary to their initial openness goals Their goals were never about openness at all though. From the beginning I’ve felt like they should’ve called themselves something like “SafeAI”, since their stated goal was basically to develop advanced AI first, then keep a lid on it until they could somehow ensure it was “safe” or would only be used by “good” people. Sure, OpenAI might sound nicer, but it also drags this contradiction into the foreground whenever someone says their name.
  • ryanmcbride 4y ago
    For real it's insane to me how much I bump up against their community guidelines. For example, you'll get a community guidelines block if you enter a prompt like "An illustration of a computer in the style of Henry Vandyke Carter". removing "Vandyke" from the prompt lets it go through[1], but doesn't result in the style I want. Because there's no artist that I'm aware of that goes by "Henry Carter". The middle name is important. It reminds me of the old 2D Runescape days where the language filter would convert "dictionary" to "**tionary". [1]https://ibb.co/4106mfF https://ibb.co/4106mfF
    • Blahah 4y ago
      H V Carter
      • ryanmcbride 4y ago
        I'm out of credits but I'll try that later
    • msoucy 4y ago
      My favorite example of an issue like this (the Scunthorpe problem) is from the mobile game Kingdom Hearts Unchained X. In it, players used Medals based around Disney characters, including experiment 626. However, for a long time after the game's release, players were unable to say that name in chat, because it got rendered as s***ch
    • wyldfire 4y ago
• namlem 4y ago
  OpenAI is infected with AI safety brainworms
  • dmix 4y ago
    AI ethics as a whole has become a bit of a joke. Any highly motivated group without much to do will seek out things to make themselves seem important and necessary.
    • oefnak 4y ago
      I'm very interested why you think an advanced AI wouldn't be dangerous? Assume: - AGI wants to stay alive - Humans can create more AIs - Other AIs would compete for the same resources Then: Easiest way to make sure that they would get no more competitors would be...
      • ryanmcbride 4y ago
        AGI and what we're talking about here are completely different.
      • astrange 4y ago
        That’d be sad if we invented a superintelligent AI but still taught it the lump of labor fallacy. Anytime you see “creating an AI will obviously kill you” try reading it as “having children will obviously kill you” and see if it still makes sense.
        • alasdair_ 4y ago
          Most children aren't able to recursively improve their own hardware and software in short time spans, and generally most children are unlikely to be many orders of magnitude more intelligent than their parents.
          • astrange 4y ago
            Even in a world where an AI exists, why am I supposed to believe it's going to be able to do any of those things? I do believe it's possible to create one with the same attributes as a human person, it's just anything beyond that is unproven. Rather, it seems like evidence that singularitarianism is actually a religion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millenarianism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millenarianism) which is why it believes things with magic powers will suddenly appear. In particular, exponential growth doesn't exist in nature and always turns into an S-curve… of course it's a problem if it doesn't level out until it's too late.
• shadowgovt 4y ago
  Stable Diffusion's creator spent a completely ridiculous amount of money to make that free tool. OpenAI's mistake may have been "planning to have a business model;" the alternative they should have gone with was "Instead of taking investor money with promises of some kind of return, be a hedge fund manager, make $100 million, and then set $600,000 on fire with no plan to recoup the cost because it's play-money to you."
  • minimaxir 4y ago
    $600k is an order of magnitude less than what it cost to train GPT-3 or DALL-E 2. When that figure came out, the popular talking point was how cheap Stable Diffusion cost to make and how easily a well-funded competitor could create their own custom variant.
    • fragmede 4y ago
      $600k is also list price for the GPU time spent. As an investor in a GPU cloud company the actual cost was probably way less than that.
      • HappyTypist 4y ago
        They absolutely didn't pay list price. Even the rookiest AWS account manager is going to be able to get a discount on $600k of compute.
        • agrippanux 4y ago
          You can get up to $100k in startup credits on AWS just by asking. They certainly cut a deal for Stable Diffusion on top of that.
        • DeWilde 4y ago
          The trouble isn't renting those GPUs but it was finding that number of GPUs closely connected to each other for the duration of the training process. The founder said that this is not quite as possible with most public clouds and that it is easier to buy the GPUs.
• suyash 4y ago
  They might as well change their company name to Close AI at this point.
• zaat 4y ago
  > . IMHO giving a prompt to generate image is amazing but isn't a product because you can't actually produce useful stuff(it's great as an exploration tool Israeli hip-hop band Shabak Samech created their last clip frame by frame in sable diffusion, took something like two days: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnGP2Qx3ddg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnGP2Qx3ddg
  • nmfisher 4y ago
    I’m already over of these generated “flip book” animations flooding my Twitter feed that are mostly variations on the same theme. There’s only so many times it can be used before the novelty wears off.
• Frost1x 4y ago
  >IMHO giving a prompt to generate image is amazing but isn't a product because you can't actually produce useful stuff(it's great as an exploration tool). I'm not sure who they planned to market this to but I can think of a few, not inherently lucrative to my knowledge, products here. Fictional literature illustrations such as for books seems like a great market in my mind, you can literally turn authors words into depictions without a graphic artist. I wouldn't be surprised if you could create graphic novels this way as well. Propoganda also seems like a market but the bar seems to have been lowered to memes. Other than that, I struggled to think of applications you could make money from. Police sketches? Eh I doubt it would work well but maybe. There is or course the visual art world which could potentially be impacted with AI generated artworks.