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Ah yes, Steve Jobs, the CEO and entrepreneur widely known for his lack of taste and aesthetic sense.

doodpants 4y ago
I think it's more about the users lacking the taste and aesthetic sense to change the default email signature to something more personal?
smoldesu 4y ago
He was also known for his ruthless business practices, sociopathic tendencies, saying his daughter smelled like a 'toilet' on his deathbed and then subsequently starving himself of life-sustaining nutrients until he died. Steve Jobs was not afraid to contradict the image he was "widely known for".
- hollerith 4y ago
  I've seen claims by people who knew him that he was narcissistic (which I find easy to believe) but none that he was sociopathic.
  - smoldesu 4y ago
    I wouldn't label him a by-and-large sociopath, but Steve Jobs certainly exhibited sociopathic behavior. Especially earlier in his career, Jobs was known for his lack of empathy towards his coworkers and being difficult to work with.
    - deleted 4y ago
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    - colechristensen 4y ago
      Let’s not turn reports of being difficult to work with into armchair diagnoses of serious mental health conditions.
    - hollerith 4y ago
      >Jobs was known for his lack of empathy towards his coworkers and being difficult to work with That not significant evidence of "sociopathic behavior" unless your using "sociopathic" to mean behavior you disapprove of.
- isametry 4y ago
  The point of my comment wasn't to glorify Steve Jobs, but to criticize the other commenter's unreasonable prejudice.
- alsetmusic 4y ago
  > saying his daughter smelled like a 'toilet' on his deathbed This requires a citation.
  - camgunz 4y ago
    She reported it. All you have to do is google.
  - echelon 4y ago
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6134649/Steve-Jobs-daughter-reveals-did-smell-like-toilet-deathbed-comment.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6134649/Steve-Jobs-...
    - sbuk 4y ago
      You’ll have to better than the British tabloid press as a source.
      - echelon 4y ago
        https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/23/books/steve-jobs-lisa-brennan-jobs-small-fry.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/23/books/steve-jobs-lisa-bre...
      - tut-urut-utut 4y ago
        Do you really expect to find that kind of info in some ‚serious‘ press?
        mmmpop 4y ago
        "Serious" press covered a Russian pee pee hoax, so if you're insisting they have standards that exclude irrelevant scatlogical references, then think again.
  - p3rls 4y ago
    It's dishonest without the additional context that he was criticizing an overpowering cheap poo-pourri type-scent rather than saying his daughter smelled like shit at the very least
- ravenstine 4y ago
  I'm not defending Jobs, but people are more than one thing. It's possible he was entirely sincere when he wrote that email (allegedly), but was not that compelled to reconcile that sort of ideal with his other thoughts and actions. Thus I don't think everything Jobs said should be dismissed. I also understand why many have a hard time appreciating things that "bad" people say. It is a shame that he said that to his daughter on his deathbed. I'd not heard about that until you mentioned it. People sometimes say crazy things or revert to earlier memories during their final few minutes, but for Lisa, that must have solidified the reality that they would never have reconciled.
  - nescioquid 4y ago
    When the media was plastered with Jobs' obits, it was chastening to see the short shrift Dennis Ritchie got, especially with all the coverage around the valuable legacy of Jobs' patents for computer cases. > ...I don't think everything Jobs said should be dismissed I agree that whatever he said should be taken on its own merits; I just don't see the value in privileging anything the guy said over anyone else in the first place.
  - benbenolson 4y ago
    As with all things, this definitely deserves some context. His daughter later said that she used some rose mist before visiting him, and admitted that she did smell like a toilet (as in, a fragrance often used to clean toilets).
    - ravenstine 4y ago
      I guess I assumed the context wasn't that literal.
throwaway743 4y ago
If by aesthetic you mean personal, then I wouldn't say his "normcore" look was of any particular taste
amelius 4y ago
The minimalist style of most of his products is essentially a demonstration of lack of taste, probably with the purpose of playing it safe and not clashing with any potential customer's taste.
- duderific 4y ago
  Imposing their own taste would have the potential to limit sales. Similar to how if you want to ensure a good resale value for your home, you shouldn't make the decor too "specific", as it could put off potential buyers.

I think it's more about the users lacking the taste and aesthetic sense to change the default email signature to something more personal?

smoldesu 4y ago

He was also known for his ruthless business practices, sociopathic tendencies, saying his daughter smelled like a 'toilet' on his deathbed and then subsequently starving himself of life-sustaining nutrients until he died. Steve Jobs was not afraid to contradict the image he was "widely known for".

hollerith 4y ago
I've seen claims by people who knew him that he was narcissistic (which I find easy to believe) but none that he was sociopathic.
- smoldesu 4y ago
  I wouldn't label him a by-and-large sociopath, but Steve Jobs certainly exhibited sociopathic behavior. Especially earlier in his career, Jobs was known for his lack of empathy towards his coworkers and being difficult to work with.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - colechristensen 4y ago
    Let’s not turn reports of being difficult to work with into armchair diagnoses of serious mental health conditions.
  - hollerith 4y ago
    >Jobs was known for his lack of empathy towards his coworkers and being difficult to work with That not significant evidence of "sociopathic behavior" unless your using "sociopathic" to mean behavior you disapprove of.
isametry 4y ago
The point of my comment wasn't to glorify Steve Jobs, but to criticize the other commenter's unreasonable prejudice.
alsetmusic 4y ago
> saying his daughter smelled like a 'toilet' on his deathbed This requires a citation.
- camgunz 4y ago
  She reported it. All you have to do is google.
- echelon 4y ago
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6134649/Steve-Jobs-daughter-reveals-did-smell-like-toilet-deathbed-comment.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6134649/Steve-Jobs-...
  - sbuk 4y ago
    You’ll have to better than the British tabloid press as a source.
    - echelon 4y ago
      https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/23/books/steve-jobs-lisa-brennan-jobs-small-fry.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/23/books/steve-jobs-lisa-bre...
    - tut-urut-utut 4y ago
      Do you really expect to find that kind of info in some ‚serious‘ press?
      - mmmpop 4y ago
        "Serious" press covered a Russian pee pee hoax, so if you're insisting they have standards that exclude irrelevant scatlogical references, then think again.
- p3rls 4y ago
  It's dishonest without the additional context that he was criticizing an overpowering cheap poo-pourri type-scent rather than saying his daughter smelled like shit at the very least
ravenstine 4y ago
I'm not defending Jobs, but people are more than one thing. It's possible he was entirely sincere when he wrote that email (allegedly), but was not that compelled to reconcile that sort of ideal with his other thoughts and actions. Thus I don't think everything Jobs said should be dismissed. I also understand why many have a hard time appreciating things that "bad" people say. It is a shame that he said that to his daughter on his deathbed. I'd not heard about that until you mentioned it. People sometimes say crazy things or revert to earlier memories during their final few minutes, but for Lisa, that must have solidified the reality that they would never have reconciled.
- nescioquid 4y ago
  When the media was plastered with Jobs' obits, it was chastening to see the short shrift Dennis Ritchie got, especially with all the coverage around the valuable legacy of Jobs' patents for computer cases. > ...I don't think everything Jobs said should be dismissed I agree that whatever he said should be taken on its own merits; I just don't see the value in privileging anything the guy said over anyone else in the first place.
- benbenolson 4y ago
  As with all things, this definitely deserves some context. His daughter later said that she used some rose mist before visiting him, and admitted that she did smell like a toilet (as in, a fragrance often used to clean toilets).
  - ravenstine 4y ago
    I guess I assumed the context wasn't that literal.

throwaway743 4y ago

If by aesthetic you mean personal, then I wouldn't say his "normcore" look was of any particular taste

amelius 4y ago

The minimalist style of most of his products is essentially a demonstration of lack of taste, probably with the purpose of playing it safe and not clashing with any potential customer's taste.

duderific 4y ago
Imposing their own taste would have the potential to limit sales. Similar to how if you want to ensure a good resale value for your home, you shouldn't make the decor too "specific", as it could put off potential buyers.